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Going Green ?


You know what gray water is or put it to work for you.
  13% (4)
You recycle cans, glass and/or paper.
  44% (13)
You carpool, walk or ride a bike to work, store or school.
  10% (3)
You grow even a small portion of things you consume.
  10% (3)
You actively compost.
  10% (3)
You dont do any of the above because you could care less
  10% (3)


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Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 4:14:33 AM   
Sasy


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Status: offline 		In the last couple of years I find I am going  back to  natural things and older ways. I am curious to see just how many find themselves working in the same directions.
I would like to see what others do to lessen consumption of resources & reduce waste,

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 4:33:23 AM   
MissMorrigan


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Status: offline 		Morning Sasy, we're very 'green' conscious in this household. We do recycle everything we possibly can, ie all paper, glass, plastic and tins. We only ever order what we need in terms of food, so that there is no wastage and food isn't leftover to rot for the bin... We  provide vegetable/fruit peelings for the compost (it's not our compost, but the freeholder's). What we have done also is cut out all processed foods and we have stopped water wastage, too. 

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 4:45:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		personally nothing,,,can't be bothered,,,im a selfish bastard and since i dont have children and dont want children i really dont care what happens to this planet after im gone

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 4:47:51 AM   
Sasy


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personally nothing,,,can't be bothered,,,im a selfish bastard and since i dont have children and dont want children i really dont care what happens to this planet after im gone

Question would be then to  you ...  Will the planet go to hell before ... You do ?

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 5:00:52 AM   
vincent63


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Status: offline 		i doubt it......but if it does, i'll deal

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 5:08:47 AM   
Sasy


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Status: offline 		Most of the things I have changed have come since I moved to a more rural area. During the summer the fact that I use gray water from the washer is why the almost acre that  we live on stays green.
Thanks to Ike we found ourselves looking for a new place (the was rental) I found a place that I picked up for a song, how ever it needs a well drilled and septic. But since we have time to work on the property I have found that I am really trying to put into place (stable) the things I have already  learned and connect them with  what others have already learned ... Hopefully to produce a house that is atleast some what off the grid and fairly self contained....  My own little piece of Heaven

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 5:13:52 AM   
DemonKia


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Status: offline 		Uh-oh, many an eye may roll at this one, but thank you thank you thank you . . . . . Great thread starter!

(Yep, my snotty-superior-elitist-bitch crown is firmly in place . . . . Er, make that a tinfoil tiara -- recycled, of course . .. . lol)

I quit driving (primarily for financial & physical fitness reasons) in 1996, when I had school-age offspring, a half-time job & was studying undergrad statistics half-time . .. .

We walked & bused at first, & then we all got bicycles (about 6 to 12 months after ditching the car), & we've never looked back. In the first two years alone we saved enough money to pay for all the bicycles & bus passes & skateboards & rollerblades & kick-scooters we've gone thru in all the years since . .. . . Plus we're all a lot healthier & fitter for it -- we were all getting chubby . .. . .

(Ah, & we live in a 'small' sprawlburbia, about 3 to 5 miles across in whatever direction, not conveniently set up for walking & with mediocre bus service . .. . . )

Exiting the car lane was an epiphany producing experience. I was raised politically active, liberal, feminist & I had been getting less thrilled as the years rolled by with regularly handing money over to big oil companies & misogynist nations (in my not-very-humble-at-all opinion, natch) . . . .

& as a buddhist it just 'felt' better to slow down & 'connect' to the earth more regularly . . . . .

& I was aware of how my car driving was polluting mightily every step of the way; the crud that comes out of the tailpipe being the least of the damage done in the whole process of extracting the resources, manufacturing, shipping, & etc what eventually becomes a car . ...

So, yeah, I'm Kia, & I'm an ardent environmentalist who can chew your ear off quite earnestly for literally hundreds of hours about eco stuff; if you prick the gasbag does it not vent?

& I bet I never mentioned that I hosted a call-in arguing-with-yahoos talk-show on our local community (not NPR) radio station, from early 2001 to mid 2004, but I'm sure some of you are just shocked -- shocked! -- to hear that . . . . . lol

Peak oil is one of my areas of amateur expertise, for example . . . . I know an awful lot about pollution, too . . .. .

Oh. & the now-adult offspring? Only one has a driver's license (the contractor one, it was necessary for him), & he only drives if he has to . . . . For any of his small jobs, minor repairs & such, he has a bike cart that does the job . . . . .

We do own a vehicle, a big honking gas guzzler truck ('77 Dodge, extended cab, long bed, 440 (?) engine, painted camouflage, lol) which I purchased 2005 to be my Burning Man conveyance & for contractor offspring to have available for his work . . .. . lol . .. .. It mostly just sits in the drive way, gets started maybe once a month, driven even less often . . . . . ..

I'll now return you to your regularly scheduled letting someone other than that Kia-person get a word in edgewise . . . . . . . *phew*

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 7:32:45 AM   
mdr080480


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Status: offline 		It's funny, I came from Jersey, they had recycling programs and the town provided the buckets, free of cost, to use for recycling. My family always recycled, and we'd always have the buckets on the curb when collection day came. I moved south, to Georgia, and there was no recycling, or you had to pay for it, or you had to drive 5 miles for a drop off.

In Florida here, I recycle plastic bottles, don't use aluminum cans because I gave up soda, and there's a recycling center two blocks away, making it easier to recycle.

As far as eating what I grow, I had a neighbor in Jersey who had a garden in his yard, tomatoes, green beans, cucumbers, and peppers were always fresh. Here in Florida, I've had fresh picked oranges from family, and lemons too. But I've never grown my own food. 

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 7:43:48 AM   
vincent63


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Status: offline 		damm mdr,,,,everybody who was in born in jersey seems to wind up in florida,,lol

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 7:49:07 AM   
mdr080480


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Status: offline 		Notice how everyone is from Jersey, and not going to Jersey.

But back on subject, my grandfather had a grapefruit tree, the town started using reclaimed water, and the tree died. This was years ago, but... anyways, I like fresh grown foods, I just don't have a green thumb.

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 8:00:07 AM   
sappatoti


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Status: offline 		Let's see...

- We have curbside recycling pickup for newspaper, unprinted corrugated cardboard, non-glossy magazines, steel cans, plastics of the #1 and #2 variety (only those types), brown and clear glass (but not tempered nor green glass), and yard wastes (trimmings, clippings, etc.)

- We can drive 15 miles in either direction to dispose of household chemicals, furniture, appliances, electronics, batteries, paints, used auto fluids... along with all of the above. If we don't wish to drive, the county will be happy to swing by and pick them up for you at a cost of $25.00 per visit (no limits on the quantity picked up at the time).

- Everything else, including food scraps and plastics (all the rest that aren't #1 or #2) go into the curbside trash pickup.

- If we could find vegetables that will grow in a combination of sugar sand and crushed limestone AND do not require any water, we will grow them. Until then, the amount of water needed to keep vegetables growing becomes prohibitively expensive, as we have no soil here.

- We have no mass transportation nor taxis in this county. Neither are there sidewalks or bike paths in most places, so the automobile is the form of transport. Bicycle and pedestrian hit n' run accidents have tripled over the past year so people are very unlikely to "go green" as far as being able to get around, just because of the safety concerns.

- Most HOA groups here have banned any form of composting within the neighborhoods, even though a correctly maintained composting pile is stench-free.

- Current public health laws forbid the draining of gray water into anything other than an approved septic system or public sanitary sewer tie-in.

- Collecting rain water (Ha! Like rain is ever going to happen here.) requires the use of an approved collection container that prevents the growth of mosquitos and mold/mildew. It is subject to an annual inspection which, unsurprisingly, comes with the payment of a "nominal" fee.

Having stated all that, there are improvements being made in many of the areas I've listed above. Rules, regulations, ordinances, and laws are being changed to allow us to become "greener". I scratch my head, though, at the announcement of such changes as being a "bold new approach" when, from what I can remember from my upstate NY days, these same changes were well-known and used thirty years ago in other parts of the country.

One step at a time, I guess.

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 8:08:59 AM   
vincent63


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quote:

ORIGINAL: mdr080480

Notice how everyone is from Jersey, and not going to Jersey.




yup,,noticed that yrs ago

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 11:53:39 AM   
Sasy


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Status: offline 		One step at a time is deffinitly the way to go. It has been a learning process for me...  I  think the funniest part to  this point was when I went to buy worms to  help the compost pile get going. I wouldnt even let them ride in the front of the car home. One of the most interesting things about the compost pile is the plants the spawn from the edges of mine. I have some of the most beautiful melons  and squash spring fourth there. ( you can only save so many seeds). Well honestly I  think  that where I am gray  water is probally  prohibited to, but I dont feel  that I am causing harm or damage to the enviroment because I  choose carefully which  loads  of water are set out and which  are sent to septic. Funny  how you have to go underground literally at times to make life better

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 2:19:42 PM   
SteelofUtah


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Status: offline 		I'm about to catch hell for this but here goes.

Going Green is a Joke.

It is an Industry like any other. Also those Green Items are designed to break down meaning that the Coconut Fiber Car Seat in your car can expect to last 10 years LESS than the Synthetic Fabric in the 50 year old junker that is still running and guzzeling fuel.

Green is more Eco Friendly and Less Fiscal Friendly, you can expect to pay more in the long run for all Green Items because you will buy them more offten and find that they are less effective.

I have no problem with wanting to do something right for the planet but comeone people "Green" Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?

Plant a Fucking Tree don't buy Carbon Credits what a fucking joke that is. Pay Money to feel better about the fact that you use fossil fuels and use plastics.

Do what ACTUALLY works.

Compost.
Find Uses for Things you normally throw away.
Whenever possible buy the BIG size of anything. More Product means less package per consumption.
Try to use anything nature gives you. Gray Water, Runoff Water, Rain Water, Solar ANYTHING, Wind ANYTHING.
Don't Drive if you don't have to and if you do take the most direct route and stay at 55 as offten as you possibly can, arodynamics states you will use less fuel regardless of vehicle.

But Buying something because the company who produces it make thier employees wash their hands in the toilets with a Only Flush on Brown Rule is Retarded.

The Majority of people do not understand Recycling which is why you get those morons who say Recycle Paper and save a Tree. Jackasses 98% of all Paper is from Trees GROWN for the making of paper. in plants that use EVERYTHING from the try to run the mill. Sawdust being used as fuel has been done since the steam engine age so it is by far nothing new. In fact saving paper keeps them from having to plant as mant trees which cuts back on the amount of carbon dioxide being absorbed from the planting of those trees meaning that what you recycle or reuse means less trees making the world a better place.

As for the Recycling of Paper realize that they have no sawduct to use as fuel to process the needs of the recycled paper and thus more fuel is used to create recycled paper than natural paper. Also did it ever occur to anyone that they need to get the dyes and inks out of paper and how do you think that they do that? Chemicles and with chemicles comes the need to change water more and because of this more water is used to make recycled paper.

Seriously Recycling is a GOOD thing but not because it always saves the earth. Recycling is a good thing because it creates SO MANY JOBS. Before the Save the Earth bandwagon there weren't whole plants dedicated to recycling paper and plastic and so on and so forth. There wasn't jobs for people to fix the poluted water used to refine recycled paper to make it ALMOST as good as regular paper with a 15% higher wax and inpurity content making certain pens not write as well on them.

So here is the deal if something says it's GREEN, don't buy it because of that buy it because someone has a job because iot says green because most companies that call themselves GREEN today were companies that made the same product 5 years ago and you just called it cheap. NOW the product costs 18% more because it says GREEN on it.

Some on Sheeple Think about this for a second what does GREEN actaully mean? What is the STANDARD OF GREEN? What Legal Requirement does something have to have to be GREEN!!!

Steel

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 2:37:46 PM   
SylvereApLeanan


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Status: offline 		My city requires recycling of paper, #1 & #2 plastics, aluminum, and tin/steel cans as part of the trash service.  I'd like to start composting at some point, but that has to wait until we get the junk cleaned up that the previous owners of this house left in the yard and garage.  Until that's done, I have no place to put a compost bin.  I also use some of the new 7th Generation brand cleaning products because they aren't toxic to offspring or pets.  That usually means they don't contain chemicals that will trigger my allergies.  Same for "free and clear" laundry detergents.

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 3:08:14 PM   
LinnaeaBorealis


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Status: offline 		Once again Steel you amaze me.  I was beginning to think that I was the only one who got that.

I've been recycling, re-using, etc since I was taught those ways as a girl in the 1950's.  My dad & I used to go fishing & bring the dogfish back to fertilize the vegetable garden.  We composted as a matter of course.  We turned lights off & kept the heat down.  We lined the garbage can with newspapers instead of plastic.  My grandmother had a wringer washer which she used outside & the rinse water went directly into the garden, along with the coffee grounds & egg shells.  We all had rain barrels & used that water to wash clothes & we washed our hair with the rain water & didn't need conditioners.

Green is such a silly term.  It is an industry that plays on people's feelings of guilt.  I don't watch tv, read newspapers etc, so I don't even know when there's a bandwagon to jump on till it's overcrowded.  LOL  I would like it much better if the manufacturers would stop using so much plastic in their containers, rather than making the recycling of that packaging a business.  We used paper bags to put our vegetables in at the store & put them in the crisper at home.  We didn't buy more than we could eat in the next couple of days.  I hate that I can't buy berries except in those plastic clamshell things.  Those aren't even recyclable according to the company who does our recycling.  Grapes come in sealed plastic bags.  There are never any paper bags in the produce sections anymore. 

The way people are talking about it, it's like they think they invented the concept of recycling, re-using, whatever.  I think that we should just go back to the old ways.  Milk came in bottles that you gave back to the milkman.  They were sterilized & refilled.  Diapers were cloth & they were washed & re-used.  We just didn't overuse resources & that's what we need to get back to.

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RE: Going Green ? - 4/5/2009 7:09:06 PM   
Sasy


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Status: offline 		Seems this is a touchy  subject at best... And in the beginning I did say "I am going  back to  natural things and older ways." Rain Barrels yes they were around when I was small ...  I  remember then when we put buckets out to  catch  rain water to wash my hair my grandmother always made me wait till "the rain cleansed the air" Composting was done in te backyard in a mesh wire cage. She had a real washer by the time I came along but the wringer washer sat in the wash house. Not sure I want to go back to  cloth diapers but I  do use towels in the kitchen napkins are used at times and newspapers serve alot of purposes. No it isnt all about BUYING  green things ...  I have  found some of the best cleaners are in the pantry. So Steel if you  got past the GREEN in the title you would have seen most wasnt about BUYING  this or that it was efforts to  reduce usage and waste

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