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Really Need Some Help - 4/10/2009 3:16:10 AM

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Ok this is totally random, and probably not appropriate but I really need some help. Basically I have decided to become proactive in looking for a job, I have been flailing around for a long time due to low self confidence. Really what I want to do is work in a gallery, I have found a fantastic opportunity in London's National Gallery but I am completely appaling at selling myself and writing formally (largely due to my dyslexia) I would really really really appriciate some help with filling it out, I know that in this case my lack of experience means that its against me, but I want to give myself the best opportunity.

I was wondering then because this is such a diverse group of people if anyone is used to reading good applications or amazing at writing them. I know its a big ask, but I guess if you dont ask you dont get.

Ta in advance.

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RE: Really Need Some Help - 4/10/2009 3:29:29 AM

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I have, however not in english

but I wish you good luck

and experience isn't everything, people need to want to work with you and feel good working with you..here (where I am) they hire those they feel more comfortable around even though they may lack experience.

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RE: Really Need Some Help - 4/10/2009 3:30:43 AM

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Thanks :) I guess you are right, but the lack of experience thing has prevented me applying to so many things, I figure why would anyone employ me when there are people who have proved that they can do the job before

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RE: Really Need Some Help - 4/10/2009 3:43:50 AM

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Some people change jobs every 2-3 years..perhaps the company wants somebody who's going to stay, so having a humongous experience when the person's only in each job for 2-3 years max can be a negative thing.
Of course companies may "prefer" a person with experience, I mean..who wouldn't, but it doesn't have to be that the person with the most experience is the best fit for the job.
In addition to having experience they need to fit within the company and the staff.
The little things can easily outweigh the experience so never ever decide against applying because you're lacking experience, if you keep thinking that way, you'll never get a job. You're just as good as any other applicant, if not better. Build up some confidence ;)
Remember that those that have a lot of experience started somewhere with a zero experience.

In addition..those who have high experience often become cocky/arrogant, and feel they know their job so well that they don't take directions.
By hiring a less experienced person the boss can mould you better into what they want and how they want you to do your job ;)

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RE: Really Need Some Help - 4/10/2009 3:51:23 AM

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I totally never thought of it that way, thanks :)

I guess its easy to become disheartened isnt it.

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RE: Really Need Some Help - 4/10/2009 3:53:10 AM

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All I can tell you is how I feel.

I do the hiring and firing for the company I work for. Outside of general knowledge of phones, and computers, experience and education are secondary to what I look for.

I look for attitude, desire to work, flexibility, positive, can do, teach me I want to learn, I want a job! I can see these things within a few moments of meeting them. Talking to them tells me if they have a decent brain in their head to learn and cope.

I've passed on an awful lot of really well done resumes given to me by people with impressive experience. The type that thought they were the BEST! The type that would have come in with a mile long list of talents, must haves, needs, won't do's, and expectations of salary to match. I prefer the raw and untrained over the divas any day.

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RE: Really Need Some Help - 4/10/2009 3:55:45 AM

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I guess I need to be a bit more positive and make sure that the positivity comes across in the application then.

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RE: Really Need Some Help - 4/10/2009 4:57:21 AM

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RE: Really Need Some Help - 4/10/2009 5:01:03 AM

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Absolutely agree with LaTigresse, above . . . .

Want to add my own little twist on this . . . Gonna try to keep it reasonably short, but as I like to say, I don't come in an abridged version . . . . lol

The Demon, Kia's Not-So-Fabulous Secret To Getting Employed:

Note that this only applies to positions for which one has reasonable qualifications & expectations, ie, non-engineers applying for engineering jobs, or non-nurses applying for nursing jobs are outside my purview . . .. .

Also, this method is most effective for jobs you really really want. It's also best if you have a number of potential employers to approach.

Are you ready? Drumroll please . .. . .

Be willing, nay, eager to do any (legal, safe) job they give you, even if it's sweeping the floor or cleaning toilets, literally or metaphorically (do some research ahead of time so that you have some knowledge of what kinds of stuff is going on with that particular job / employer -- most people are more than happy to bitch about what they hate doing in their jobs . . . . .); &, be willing & able to offer up a week or two's free internship, so they can see what they're getting relatively risk-free . . ..

Ta da . .. . . Add patience & persistence & casting your net as widely as you can, & you should find something, sooner or later . . .. .

I once had no paid employment experience & needed to get a job. The ability to spell & all that only gets you so far, as LaTigresse testifies above . . . . I used the above 'secret' to get a day job that I really wanted (working in a small publishing house) with success . . .

Further clarification?

I may need to find a day job in a few years, so I've been contemplating which jobs I could actually want, as opposed to those I could tolerate . .. . . (The following is actually serious, tho' I know I lack credibility in the non-silliness department, but trust me when I say my usual issue is an excess of seriosity . . . . lol . . . . Anyways . . . . )

Sex toy store employee is very high on my list of day jobs I would enjoy . . . . I will prepare a resume & cover letter, in which I will attempt to convey my joyous willingness to mop floors, answer phones, & engage in other low-totem activities & to even give them a week or two free to see if we're a good fit . . . . . I will send this out (suitably adapted) to all the sex toy shops, adult bookstores, strip clubs, adult publishers, etc, in a coupla large urban areas where I am interested in relocating, seeking after sales & customer service positions or receptionist jobs, for which I'm almost over-qualified, hehehe . . . (I may even add some book-keeping skills to my repertoire in anticipation, but that's wandering into a separate topic . . . . )

I expect to get decent results, tho' it may take some time; when I got the aforementioned publishing company job it took several months, but I live in a small town with a horrid job market . .. . While I applied to many jobs I didn't really want, it was the returning over & over to the one I really wanted, & letting them know I was willing to do an unpaid internship that finally got my foot in the door . .. . .

Hope this helps . .. ..

If you have any questions, just ask . . ..

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RE: Really Need Some Help - 4/10/2009 6:44:04 AM

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I completely agree with DemonKia. Be willing to start at the bottom and bust your ass. If you are worth promoting, it will be noticed. Every job I've ever had I started at near entry level because I was willing to do so.

Here (current job), I began as customer service rep making $8.00 or so an hour. That was in July 2001. Within a year I was promoted to Production Manager. I knew nothing about the business at all. But it was my willingness to try anything that needed done, my good work ethic and my cheerful ( disgusting isn't it) disposition that made the previous and current owners think I could handle it. There were other employees that had been here longer, definitely knew more about the business, but for some reason they chose me. It's been that way at each place I've worked.

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RE: Really Need Some Help - 4/10/2009 6:45:27 AM

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Thankyou all very much for your advice :)

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