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Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 7:45:40 AM   
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I want to apologize if this post doesn't make a whole lot of sense, if I am not clear, or if it seems to wonder and not really have a point or a question. I think it will become much more of a public journal by the time I am finished. I am just now trying to get my feet back under me from doing just as this title suggests less than twenty four hours ago. I thought about waiting to post this until I was more composed and had my head around the whole thing more, but I think it is more honest this way and I am not sure that I will comprehend things much more anytime soon.

After what had been an unusual silence that both my dominant and I knew was going to have to occur of this past weekend, my mind was racing with things I really wanted to put away and lock down and never look in the face again. I would have done just that until the horrible fact that what I was dealing with fundamentally affected and even was, to some extent, part of the basis for my relationship with my dominant. I was shocked. I was terrified because I knew this meant that, if I were to remain open and as painfully honest as we had been in the past, I had no choice but to talk about this with him.

I mentioned that I needed to talk to him in an email I sent the moment our separation could come to an end. I just couldn't bring myself to go into details. All those horrible, graphic, shameful details. I didn't want to talk about them at all, surely not through some sterile email, though goodness knows it would have been so much safer and I could somehow avoid some of the stares and rash words I was sure to draw when we talked about it in person. I told him instead, as much as I feared it, that I had to tell him face to face. I had to have every possible assurance that I was safe and we were secure together. He pressed just a little, but I explained to him that it was just too big and I didn't even know where to begin.

We already had a visit planned that we certainly had wanted to spend some other way. I wanted so much just to take back the whole thing and just enjoy what we were going to do together rather than spend our time with this filth and mire. I really thought I would just put it away and go forward with our day. I told him as much before he arrived. He did not agree or disagree, but he was watching every little thing. My smile wasn't quite right. I couldn't look him in the eye. My meal sat mostly uneaten. Still I thought I was playing it off well. We would just spend the day. In time the chaos would quiet and I could still have my life, my self image, and we could move on blissfully unaware of what that foolishness would have caused.

We did some of the things we had planned and went to our quiet place. I thought sure that we would just spend some time and I would escape myself. We did spend it for a time before the dreaded question came. He wanted to know what I had wanted to talk about when I was safe with him again. For what seemed like forever the words just wouldn't come. When they finally did, they just wouldn't stop. Torrent after torrent of things that went well beyond making me blush, to straight out self hatred and a shame and humiliation that I couldn't bear. I broke. I cried. I couldn't even look at him. I just knew I was being judged, he was shocked and abhorred and this was the end of everything. Who would want to be a part of THIS??? It doesn't even matter what this was. To me it was the whole world and the sum of my worth, or lack thereof.

It finally stopped. He had to order me to look at him. Where I thought a face of devestation would be, there was nothing but love and acceptance. There was no horror. No shock. No disdain. With words and kisses and touches he gathered all the pieces that had scattered everywhere. He took the scandal and the pain and owned it as his own. He lifted me up, washed the dirt, and cleansed the wounds of years gone by. I can't say how he did it, but he did. I was free of it. It was no longer mine to torment myself with. I was released to my happiness and light of the future.

I realize how over the top and sappy this sounds, but in those moments, we took each other deeper than anyone had ever been. We have so much fun as a couple, but it is in this dark, frightening, and painful place that brings the opportunities for a bond like nothing else. I know others have had such things happen within their relationships. It would do my heart well to hear some of them if any are willing. I appreciate those who took the time to read this and even more those who are willing to give me a peek into the beauty of their own lives. May your day be a blessed one!

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 10:17:39 AM   
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For those of us who had the day off and just woke up, could you be a little clearer about what exactly took place? What exactly did you tell him??? Confessions of deceiving him, or just stuff about your past or your thoughts currently that you hadn't been able to tell him before? What?

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 10:59:24 AM   
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For those of us who had the day off and just woke up


I'll just go back to sleep, I thought that was a 1974 'Vette talking.

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 11:28:54 AM   
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I apologize for the lack of clarity. Due to the nature of these things we talked about, it wasn't something I wanted to go into a great deal of detail about and to some extent didn't think it really mattered all that much.

It wasn't some terrible revelation about some kind of misconduct on my part or some issue I was having with him in particular. It had more to do with some very disturbing things from my past and how they were relating to my present, specifically him. They are things I had been struggling with for some time, but I had no idea that there were ways in which I was experiencing and processing it that were affecting others to this magnitude. He was unaware that these undercurrents were present at all and it changes a lot of things for us.

The good part is that the changes it all created were good things in the context of the two of us. It would be quite otherwise with many, if not most. We acheived a higher level in our relationship.

Hope this helps! It is about as much as I am willing to say.

lovingpet

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 12:03:56 PM   
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Sometimes we feel unique. We feel we are the only ones to think such horrid thought. We think that we are unique in this personal sin of thinking things and wondering how awful we must be how horrible the things we think are.

We all feel guilty of Original Sin.

No Sin it truely original, One thing that recovery taught me is that all the shame that I felt all the guilt was amplified by each and every other person and that thinking I was unique in it is what stopped me from asking for help or seeking to repair it.

Perhaps I am off base, but I felt you should know that you are not alone.

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 12:04:46 PM   
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lovingpet, I know what you mean.  Been there, done that and healed with it and grew a deeper bond, whether it was my need or his.  In fact, I kind of long for a day when I can unleash the last ten years.  I am functioning, I am okay and am happy.  That isn't it.  It is that I long for someone to tell it all to.  Someone who is there because they care for me and wants to know how I made it through.  I smiled and laughed, I mourned and I cried... but I did most of these things alone.  I guess a better way to put it is that I want someone who will see the ugly and the strengths and to know them all and me.  I was alone and was my own encourager and strength and sobbing mess when there was no one and my son died and was brought back and now with me through whatever we went through and what is to come.

You want and need someone besides you and outside you and to share that depth of sharing.  If you can share all of it... isn't that actually someone knowing exactly who you are?  Nothing hidden and someone still standing there loving you.

I am glad you experienced this!  It is a very beautiful thing!

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 12:29:53 PM   
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probably not to the depth of emotion that you went to - but i went through something similar.  it was a deep, deep feeling of guilt and failure that had been affecting me badly for some years.  it had got so bad i couldnt deal with it or face it and had buried it, telling myself that it didnt matter that much anymore.

Sir inadvertently touched on it.  we were in a pub, enjoying a drink and he made a small comment that ripped into me.  tears just started to fall, the feelings of failure and guilt that id buried bubbled to the surface and all i wanted to do was run.

he wasnt shocked by my reaction.  he held my hand and walked me home whilst i sobbed and struggled with the overwhelming urge to physically run away.  the shame and depth of pain was so acute i actually found it hard to breathe and walk at the same time.  i cant begin to even describe how i felt right then, it was awful.

but he wasnt judging me and his solution to it all has been a steady pressure to step up to it and deal with it, make the necessary changes and stop avoiding it. 

like lockit has said, its having someone else there, outside of youreself but beside you.  i honestly (and pathetically) cant recall anyone ever stepping up to stand by me like Sir has and did that night.  it felt weird and uncomfortable to begin with, i didnt want him to pry open that particular can of worms because i had no control over it, all i could do was hand it over to him and that was agony.

the feeling of vulnerability and fear was incredible.  but his eyes were so steady and his voice barely changed and he just dealt with it, right then, like it was no big deal and everything was going to be ok.

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 12:37:09 PM   
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You know that describes something I finally admitted to my partner a month or so ago, like you something that I had locked up, I was amazed at his reaction, that he didnt think I was as bad as I think I am, or was or whatever. Its an increadably empowering thing and im so glad I chose him to tell him its like the bond is a million times stronger.

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 12:41:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: antipode

quote:

For those of us who had the day off and just woke up


I'll just go back to sleep, I thought that was a 1974 'Vette talking.



I'm vintage 1960's... But thank you, though.  ;o)

OP: So you had some stuff from the past that was effecting a plateau in your current relationship, and you saw that to get to the next level you'd hafta disclose it. And you now have enough trust in your partner that you were able to talk about it finally, so now your relationship can progress because he can help you with your issues. Because now he knows about them, and now you do have enough trust in him, to work on it together.

Have I got that right?

Good luck, and I'm glad you've found each other.

What will you do differently, now that he is armed with this new info and you with this new level of trust? Has he also disclosed, or does he hide himself away from you?

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 2:02:05 PM   
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What will you do differently, now that he is armed with this new info and you with this new level of trust? Has he also disclosed, or does he hide himself away from you?
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I think the primary thing is that it helps better define what I am needing from him. I think it puts a different perspective on everything we do together and exactly how we relate to each other.

He has his moments of disclosure as well. I don't think I would be willing to go to these places if he didn't. We share much between us. These posts, however, are mine and mine alone, so they focus on my internal workings and processing rather than his. I think if ever I had trouble working through something he shared with me is the only way I would talk about it here and then likely not as it would reveal some aspects of him he would likely not want to be made public.

I have to agree with Steel that things are never as much of a skeleton as we think they are when they are secretly stashed away. At the same time, it is a matter of finding the right person to trust that makes disclosure safe and can dispell the dark clouds surrounding something. And I do think Lockit and others make an excellent point about being able to handle things alone, but needing to have someone outside of it to hear it, understand it, and show that it is not the end of the world and that there is life and acceptance on the other side.

I am glad to hear that some have had similar experiences. It is a great thing when such a depth of relationship can happen. Thanks to all who have contributing and I hope that this discussion can go in many useful directions.

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 2:07:46 PM   
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We're only as sick as our secrets. Once it wasn't a secret, it was like having an abcess lanced. It hurts during the lancing but then all the pus gets washed away. Until you lance it, it throbs all the time.

Yes, I've shared stuff I was afraid to tell. So has he. Since we are both good people who are supportive of each other, not people who store up things to harm others with, the worry ahead of time has always been worse than telling. I imagine it always will.

Personally, I like to be in his arms at times like this. The contact helps me feel more secure.

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 2:22:03 PM   
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DesFIP, I love the way you say things and the way your mind, experience and all work together!

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 2:28:54 PM   
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lovingpet,

My point was that if he wasn't trusting you to open up on a higher (or deeper) level too about his own issues, then the new level you've reached would just be another plateau until he was ready to. You might glory in the new level you've reached, only to realize later that its another wide plateau to traverse. My apologies, if I'm stating the obvious. And I'm glad that doesn't seem to be the case.

Congrats, on your ascension (or descent deeper)!

Enjoy!

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 3:41:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lockit
DesFIP, I love the way you say things and the way your mind, experience and all work together!


Thank you so much!
I suppose this is the payoff for being older than dirt,

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 3:44:32 PM   
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Dreamerdreaming- I hear what you are saying and it is very good, sound advice. Fortunately, it seems we are doing well with avoiding such pitfalls. I don't know that there has ever been a plateau in our relationship, just times when we had finally gotten settled and comfortable with what we already knew. From that comfort has arisen the next step, whether it came from him or me. I understand how that can get to be a difficult situation. I think a lot of times the submissive partner is expected to disclose, reveal, be honest and such and there seems a lack of reciporcation. It may work for some, but I think the unequal investment in the relationship soon topples a lot of great plans.

It is funny you mentioned being in his arms DesFIP. That is exactly and the only way I was able to do this. I considered so many other options, but at the end of all the bickering with myself, there was only one place I wanted to be when going through this. That was the first step. He held me and just let me rest for a little while in him before he even asked me what I had wanted to talk about. Even though I knew this was likely the hardest way, somehow it was the safest and gave me that last push of courage to step up and choose to trust. His arms were there and open to me to shake and sob and hide in through the whole thing.

I know a lot of good things end because of such things as honesty, trust, communication, and secrets. I just hope there is encouragement in this thread for those who are standing at that impossible impasse.

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RE: Going Deeper - 4/10/2009 3:56:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit
DesFIP, I love the way you say things and the way your mind, experience and all work together!


Thank you so much!
I suppose this is the payoff for being older than dirt,


LOL... I've got your older than dirt, add a few fossils... and trust me... dust for brains isn't helpful!

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