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branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 10:15:27 AM   
slaveatheart21


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ok, this is my first post here so bare with me...and i apologize if this has already been discussed, but i haven't found anything on it...maybe i just don't know how....anyway....do any actually do this branding thing for real??? if so, how safe is it? have talked to someone who said they do this sort of thing.......just curious. thanks.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 10:23:43 AM   
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do any actually do this branding thing for real??? if so, how safe is it?


It is done, and, if done properly, it is not really very dangerous. It is a very controlled, very localized burn. About the only real danger is having a result that does not match your fantasy.

I have never done it, but when I meet the right person, I will do it. In preperation, I have done some research and talked to numerous people who have done it.

Here is one of the better articles on the subject:

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The following is presented for entertainment purposes only. The author
and publisher assume no responsibility for mishaps, misfortune or
accident do to misuse of the information contained within. This article
is not intended to be used as a "How To".

I'd like to share my views and experience regarding branding. I've been
involved in this form of BodyArt for the past three years and have
performed over thirty brands totaling over two hundred strikes.
Training as a piercer gave me a solid grasp of sterile technique and
thousands of piercings taught me how to calm apprehensive clients. A
little more research into burn first aid firmed up my aftercare
approach. Anybody seriously considering piercing, tattooing, cutting or
branding another humans flesh, in the name of art, should be prepared
to study and practice. I'd like to thank Raelyn Gallina, Lance Rubin,
Fakir and Eric Dakota for opening many doors for all of us. These, and
others, are the people presenting branding as an alternative

The brander's job is to conceptualize the healed brand by taking into
account numerous factors.

First, how large and what type of design? Keeping in mind the general
principle that tissue burned to the third degree will expand (spread)
from three to five hundred percent will help determine the appropriate
spacing of the design components. In my opinion, Runes, Letters,
Numbers and other Symbols that share simple, wide open designs often
produce the most readable brands. Multiple strike designs need to be
carefully planned out on paper before shaping the iron. By keeping the
shapes from one to three inches long, the iron will retain heat long
enough to make a clean, even strike. Second, where on the body will the
brand be placed? A flat area, preferably away from any bones and not
above any vital organs is best. Yes, I have done work on these areas,
but not without proceeding slowly and cautiously.

Using a pair of padded pliers, the iron is bent into the desired shape.
I've found eighteen gauge, galvanized sheet metal , cut with tin snips,
works best. Differing gauges can be combined in different components to
create complex, multi strike designs. Placing the unheated, formed
brand over the intended location and checking for any spots where the
iron does not make contact, will help determine the optimal placement
point. Adjust placement so the iron will make full contact. Sometimes
repositioning the body will redistribute fat and muscle, flattening a
previously unsuitable location.

A piece of scrap metal the same size as the iron can be used to test
the metal's melting point. Using a pair of large, insulated pliers,
hold the mock iron in the flame of a propane torch and watch closely
for any distortion in the metal. Some grades of metal will turn red hot
for a moment and then fade. Some will not change at all. If the metal
distorts it may have been heated unevenly or been to thin or too small.
Experiment on scrap metal until the perfect mix is discovered. A hand
held, propane torch and an assistant to hold the torch are key
ingredients in a successful brand.

Third, the duration of the heated strike. The amount of time the iron
remains on the tissue . Quickly removing the iron should result in a
light scar. Leaving the iron in place (with out adding pressure)
usually makes a heavier scar. Never push hard. Practicing on soft
cardboard and room temperature chicken breast is a must. Vegetarian
branders practice on Tofu. Really.

Lastly, the aftercare a brand receives greatly affects the finished
result. Different things work for different skin types. I've enclosed
my ideas on after care. I've seen dark people barely get a raised
keloid, pink design, and I've seen fair skinned people create flat,
dark designs. And vice-versa.

The location and surrounding area are cleaned using alcohol gel or
Betadine. The skin is scrubbed thoroughly in one direction. The
cleaning should be done at least twice. The iron itself should be
sterilized in one of the accepted manners. A hospital level germicide
or autoclave is sufficient. Since the brand itself is a third degree
burn, cauterization takes place.

The danger of infection comes as the scab develops . If the scabs crack
they become a portal for bacteria.

I prefer to wear gloves, and use my skills at preventing cross-
contamination. I've seen branders not wear gloves. I was taught the
simple truth "Germs crawl" . So going over board is not a bad thing, as
some people have suggested. Better safe than sorry and all that. Any
place you can study sterility helps. Commercial courses are available
in some cities and towns.

A pair of disinfected Vise Grips are adjusted to securely hold the
iron. The iron is heated to the proper temperature and the strike is
delivered. Simple, huh?

Well, yes and no. It takes weeks of study to acquire a beginning
understanding of sterile technique. A steady hand and critical eye
comes from experience.

A good place to read about branding is in Body Play and Modern
Primitives Quarterly #3. See Fakir's article, "The ABC's of Branding".
Most first aid books will give you some information you can readily
use. If you have online access, your first stop should be the
REC.ARTS.BODYART newsgroup. The Internet and World Wide Web provide
many places to research all forms of BodyArt.

The publics reaction to this art form is usually one of disbelief and
aversion. By planing the desired design carefully, we may change
peoples minds that we are loose cannons intent on mutilation and
masochism. Chose your symbols wisely and let them empower you
forevermore.

Suggested Aftercare for Brandings:

•Directly after the branding takes place, a moderate amount of anti-
bacterial ointment should be applied. Use a fresh glove. •Cover the
brand with a sterile dressing and secure with surgical tape. •Keep
brand moist . After three days of using ointment, switch to a quality
hand lotion . Test a small section of your body for adverse reactions
to the lotion. •After forty-eight hours it is no longer necessary to
keep the brand covered. But you can if you like. •A multi-vitamin
should be taken following the manufacturers directions. •Most brands
take from three to twelve weeks to heal.

Keith Alexander is the owner and senior piercer at Modern American
BodyArts, Inc. He can be reached on the web at
http://www.cybercondo.com/pub/bodyart, via email at
[email protected], or by phone at (718)680-9775. Modern American
Bodyarts is located at 462 87th St. @ 5th. Ave. Bay Ridge Brooklyn, New
York City. Keith's work can be seen on BME in both the scarification
and piercing sections - Look for the (ka) credit.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 10:27:21 AM   
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I have known several people who have had been branded permanently. It depends on your pain level and how you can take the pain. They had to clean the wound every day and keep it moist. I even know of a Domme who had a branding iron made for her to she could brand her slaves. Remember it goes along your ability to handle the pain and it takes time to get to that level.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 10:31:57 AM   
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Great information Taggard...thank you.

This essay shows the branding being done in one strike with one large branding iron... kinda like branding cattle. I have heard that multiple strikes from smaller irons (Such as a needle iron) result in a cleaner looking brand. Any truth to that?

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 10:40:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrThorns

Great information Taggard...thank you.

This essay shows the branding being done in one strike with one large branding iron... kinda like branding cattle. I have heard that multiple strikes from smaller irons (Such as a needle iron) result in a cleaner looking brand. Any truth to that?

~Thorns


That is what I have found in my research. I'm seriously considering getting a brand instead of a tattoo. I've heard that multi-strike brands hurt more, but generally have cleaner lines than single-stroke brands. Also, branding can be done with a cauterizing pen, much like a wood-burning pen.

I've talked to people who have had each method done, and so far the consensus is that multi-strike branding hurts more than single-strike, less than pen, and has the longest-lasting results.


Slaveatheart21-
Yup, lots of people do this, not just in the BDSM community. It's a resonably popular body modification. I'd recomened looking at BME zine
for more information.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 10:40:43 AM   
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Hello slaveheart,

i have a brand, got it in 1978...has faded so much that i had a tattoo done over it. It hurt like hell when done, healing was slow and painful. The aftercare was just keeping the site clean and infection free. It is located on my hip and i have never regreted getting it.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 11:00:51 AM   
Leonidas


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It's for real, and rather common. Even the best practitioners won't be able to predict with complete accuracy how your skin will respond to it, though there are some general rules of thumb. Brands that are deep enough to last very long are usually not at all delicate and pretty. The small delicate ones generally fade in a year or less.

Consider carefully what it is that you are trying to do with a brand.

It can be a kind of sado-play, like cutting, that leaves a permanent or semi-permanent mark. If you like that kind of play, fine, but burns of any kind are harder to care for and more prone to infection than a simple blade wound, and are also more prone to being pretty damn ugly. Scarification is more controllable and can produce a more delicate end result than a brand. If play is the aim, think very carefully about whether you really need to burn someone (or be burned) for the thrill that you are seeking, or whether something else would do.

If you are using it as a slave mark, and for cultural reasons you want a brand instead of some other kind of mark (scar or tatoo), I would advise you to think long and hard before having someone's "personal" mark branded into your skin. Stick with a kef, or a dorei (very hard to do with a brand). These simply proclaim that you are a slave, and not that you belong to a particular master. I know everyone expects to stay with their master forever when they get to the point where they want to wear his brand, but I cannot tell you how many times over the years I've seen the brand last longer than the collar.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 12:43:15 PM   
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Some of the fraternities at colleges have the members get branded with the fraternity name.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 1:38:14 PM   
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There is a Gorean here in Dallas who had one of his slaves branded on the inside of the thigh.
It was done in 4 different sections (might have been 5).

Branding is something that stormi can't comment on other than knowing someone who's had it done.
The pain level associated with it is something that has not been experienced by this girl.

However, this girl wears two tatoos that were put on her by Master Bear. One is a paw and the other
is a "family" heart (which is for the 3 of us). No regrets and no pain.

Thing is before getting tatooed or branded the submissive/slave as well as the Dominant/Master needs
to make sure that they want that name or representive there. As it is permenant and not something that
washes right off. (Yes, stormi is aware surgery can remove a tatoo).

Be Well
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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 5:42:48 PM   
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I do currently practice branding, but it is a very different style than what has been mentioned so far by anyone else. I use a method called scalpel branding with a small propane torch and a brand new, sterilized scalpel for my brandings. Each new child gets a new branding which symbolizes the pain endured in becoming a new creation, only similarity between them all is the number 7 encircled above the branding which normally takes up about a 4-5 inch radius. With proper aftercare I have never experienced any infection, normally infection would take place immediately with improper and unhealthy burning techniques. It stays a dark brown scab for a long time till it heals slightly and becomes light pink and meaty, at this point it is traced and tattooed. Although I could likely learn to do that part myself as well, instead I have a trained professional who I trust trace the outlines. Normally about 4-6 weeks and from there a pretty consistant brilliant white for years to come.

If anyone has any specific questions about best forms of aftercare or tools to use, etc for either single press branding or more precise scalpel branding feel free to contact me off site.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 5:48:11 PM   
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Scalpels AND a branding!?!?!!?

Woof.

~Thorns

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 6:10:16 PM   
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proudsub, oh proudsub? I remember this topic I have no idea where.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 6:22:55 PM   
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Um.....psssssssssssst...... dude. You're gonna start freaking people out again with the pain that your children must endure to be transformed and the numeric runes carved by fire and steel into their flesh thing. I get you, I really do, and most of the folks here have been to the big city before, but you're gonna scare the shit out of the villagers wandering by.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/17/2004 6:31:56 PM   
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So I should hide the "join my cult house" buttons I just had pressed? Hmm...damn. okay. I'll nix that whole spiritual part and I'll just replace it with "burning is cool". haha

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/18/2004 5:14:35 AM   
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iwill,
i found this link on it


http://www.collarme.com/forum/m_3485/mpage_1/key_branding//tm.htm#4755

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/18/2004 5:26:25 AM   
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i wasnt branded, but tattoed. on my lower back, just above my ass there is a black circle with a W in the center. W is the last initial of my owners.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/18/2004 10:40:25 AM   
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quote:

proudsub, oh proudsub? I remember this topic I have no idea where.

OK OK:
branding

and the thread that jill found too:

branding

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/18/2004 12:09:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

Um.....psssssssssssst...... dude. You're gonna start freaking people out again with the pain that your children must endure to be transformed and the numeric runes carved by fire and steel into their flesh thing. I get you, I really do, and most of the folks here have been to the big city before, but you're gonna scare the shit out of the villagers wandering by.


Yep, I feel like a villager now.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/19/2004 1:22:41 PM   
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No worries darlin, there's a wading pool for practice before you get into the ocean.

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RE: branding....for real??!! - 8/19/2004 3:50:46 PM   
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Until this I had thought I had been wading in the ocean..only now I realize that I havent been out of the clubhouse nor near the water yet.

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