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RE: Relocation Relocation Relocation - 4/13/2009 1:12:26 PM   
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Best thing is to consult an immigration attorney. It will save you a lot of headaches.
If your intent is to marry, keep in mind you can stay in the US up to 6 months on a tourist visa, but don't tell the immigration folks when you come in that you intend to do this. Book a shorter flight and just overstay your visit and get married within those 6 months and you are fine.  But be ready for the proof-of-marriage interview (like in the movie Green Card) to prove you are a legit relationship. And, no working in the US while you are on a tourist visa. Any moving back and forth between countries - ANY - can get you nailed.  They watch for that kind of thing. So book a short trip, say your intent is just to stay the length of your visit for tourism, and overstay.

All other visas, when I looked into it, required paperwork and waiting periods.  The advice I received from my immigration attorney when I asked the same questions of my long-distance boytoy, who I was pretty sure I was going to marry, was simple - spend the 6 months legally on a tourist visa to decide if marriage was the best option, and then get the green card/residency legally after marriage, but be prepared for a lot of scrutiny. The marriage has to be legit, and not a marriage of convenience.

Getting a work visa is another option; however, you do need to fill a lot of paperwork and meet a variety of requirements, including proof that the job could not be filled by an American.  Even though my to-be-husband was university schooled and very employable, he was not in any of the categories that the US had a "shortage" of workers for. The necessary paperwork, waiting periods, etc. all were discouraging, so we did the quick-hitch solution instead, and it worked out great.

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RE: Relocation Relocation Relocation - 4/13/2009 1:26:45 PM   
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guessing it will take a year or two


Here is the process:

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1315.html

this particular process will get you a fiance visa - he has to make the application and you can only get the visa in your official country of residence. Once the fiance visa is issued you can travel to the USA, get married and he applies for the permanent visa.

This process I believe only takes weeks, not two years, if there aren't any issues (infectious diseases, felony convictions, overstayed visas in the past, etc.). Your process is relatively quick since you come from an English speaking country. Follow this process and you'll be here in no time. Do make sure you have no tax debts or outstanding court cases in your country of residence, and make sure you are not pregnant, you will not be issued a visa in those cases.

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RE: Relocation Relocation Relocation - 4/13/2009 1:35:14 PM   
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Book a shorter flight and just overstay your visit


This is just about the worst advice to give anyone. Since people from visa waiver countries cannot adjust their status while in the USA, overstaying a visa, today, means an automatic re-entry block (this has actually been all over the papers in England, fairly recently, as British passport holders who had previously overstayed are routinely denied boarding by the airlines at Heathrow Airport, which submit passenger information to Homeland Security prior to takeoff now. It is not a risk I think anybody should take, especially since there is a perfectly good process to do it the right way.

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RE: Relocation Relocation Relocation - 4/13/2009 1:56:01 PM   
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Use an immigration lawyer!!!!

It's more expensive but then you know all the paperwork is getting done right

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RE: Relocation Relocation Relocation - 4/13/2009 2:19:10 PM   
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Hi.. Im in the process of planning to marry a US citizen too...
I'd to say to all those considering an attorny, BE careful... I've read about many attorny who made mistakes and it resulting in really frustrating/devastating problems..
Anyway here's a nice site about the vise:
http://www.visajourney.com

It has a forum, timelines, many guiides, many examples of questions asked... And the people there are quite helpful :)
It's a very comprehensive site.

All those saying that the fiance visa is a bad thing... If your intent is to be with the person you adore and love.. I don't see how a work visa or student visa would do any good... That would be false intentions.

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RE: Relocation Relocation Relocation - 4/13/2009 2:30:37 PM   
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Book a shorter flight and just overstay your visit


This is just about the worst advice to give anyone. Since people from visa waiver countries cannot adjust their status while in the USA, overstaying a visa, today, means an automatic re-entry block (this has actually been all over the papers in England, fairly recently, as British passport holders who had previously overstayed are routinely denied boarding by the airlines at Heathrow Airport, which submit passenger information to Homeland Security prior to takeoff now. It is not a risk I think anybody should take, especially since there is a perfectly good process to do it the right way.



If you are in a legitimate relationship with the intent to marry, it isn't.  It was the advice given to me by an attorney.  The fiance visa option was a total joke.  I don't know where you got your "few weeks" wait time - not even close.  And you have to be separated until it's approved, then DROP everything and get married within 90 days?  And not travel back and forth in the meantime?  If you want to BE with someone, it's the worst possible option.   If you overstay a tourist Visa all the time just to jerk around, of course you're going to get flagged. If you do it ONCE to get married legitimately and end up in a recognized marriage, it's nothing.  If you do any back and forth between countries, with the intent to eventually marry, and start lying to the immigration people, you are setting yourself up to be in serious trouble.  That's why overstaying your original tourist Visa is the safest option IF marriage is your ultimate goal.  And, if you do NOT work while in the US, and do not leave the country - for ANY reason.

I consulted attorneys and ultimately had an immigration attorney handle the entire process from start to finish.  I'm simply sharing my firsthand experience.  Immigration officials are NOT people to be messed with.  In hindsight there's one very important factor missing from my own story which is relevant; personally, we never lied to immigration people. When he came to visit here, it was for a week.  It was during that time that we talked to the attorney to find out what paperwork to file for the fiance visa or work visa, when we realized, him just staying was the best option; he had no idea he was going to stay. As you can imagine, it caused a lot of headaches, since he never said goodbye to his family or friends and only brought enough clothes for a few days - but at that point, him leaving and returning would look suspicious.

Even after we were legally married he could not return to his home country without "advanced parole" paperwork being filed, which is another headache.  Moving back and forth across the border is not something done lightly if you are obviously in a potentially romantic relationship with someone.  My advice is the same for the OP: talk to a lawyer.

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RE: Relocation Relocation Relocation - 4/13/2009 2:31:21 PM   
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Be armed with patience and make sure to read the small print. The expense is quite considerable, so unless there's something in your personal circumstances that add to the difficulty, I wouldn't advise a lawyer. Good luck.

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RE: Relocation Relocation Relocation - 4/13/2009 2:33:41 PM   
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Even after we were legally married he could not return to his home country without "advanced parole" paperwork being filed, which is another headache.  Moving back and forth across the border is not something done lightly if you are obviously in a potentially romantic relationship with someone.  My advice is the same for the OP: talk to a lawyer.



Yep. You need to have filed for permanent residency and preferably to have obtained your permanent resident's card (aka 'Green Card') before travelling abroad. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

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RE: Relocation Relocation Relocation - 4/13/2009 5:35:20 PM   
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Yes I've looked into it. Not many options and most of them are limited. I'm taking the best of these options I feel and relocating to Canada.

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RE: Relocation Relocation Relocation - 4/13/2009 10:23:58 PM   
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make sure that you cross all the "t"s and dot all the "i"s and be sure to ASK questions and ask different variations of the same question ..........immigration doesn't volunteer anything (don't mention the F word *fiance/e* for some reason that raises more red flags than anything) (being married and having to live in different countries because of a technicality just has to suck)......have known a few that have jumped through hoops only to be denied because this form wasn't  filled out in black ink, it was done in blue or vice versa  *sighs*........welcome to the wonderful world of bureaucracy

good luck with this endeavor



Good grief - that totally sucks about the ink thing....  Thank you so much for your advice, will be sure to pay attention to the forms...

Is seriously rubbish when 2 people want to be together and can't because of red tape!

Sigh...


I can so totally relate to this, mira... I'm trying to do the US to UK thing, myself, since my husband is there.  I hope you have better luck dealing with US immigration than I've been having so far with the UK side...


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RE: Relocation Relocation Relocation - 4/14/2009 11:29:58 AM   
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I can so totally relate to this, mira... I'm trying to do the US to UK thing, myself, since my husband is there.  I hope you have better luck dealing with US immigration than I've been having so far with the UK side...



Hey GreedyTop - someone mentioned the other day that you and your Pirate had got married! Congratulations.... didn't realise it was just as tricky the other way too... patience is a virtue in these situations!  Really hope you guys manage it.... Damn Pond huh!!

And to all that have posted advice and links - thank you SO much, lots of information for Master and mira to go through and plan the best way of attack - is nice to think that it may not take years after all....

fingers crossed!

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RE: Relocation Relocation Relocation - 4/14/2009 10:22:08 PM   
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Thanks, mira! *hug* and best wishes to you as well!

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