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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/14/2009 1:19:36 PM   
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ou know..librerians are strange..at least the ones I've encountered..some are sweet some are grumpy but some..are like obsessed with finding the answer you need!! and I'm tellin ya, if ya asked them to help ya out they'd dive into it
but heck I doubt there're %'s???? I'd try and talk to a few pro-dominants


YEP my neice the librarian is the same way! 110% about finding the answer. It's a puzzle to them...

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/14/2009 1:23:51 PM   
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Male submission can be seen as an exaggeration of chivalry.  Read some of the Medieval courtly poems and stories.  Strong masochistic streak in that stuff.

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/14/2009 1:38:16 PM   
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People seem to have no problem with animals having dominant and submissive personalities, but when it comes to people, they seem to think that human's should have overcome any animalistic urges with being cultivated and social. lol Yeah... right!  Be an animal... see if I care!  Well as long as you aren't peeing on my carpet and humping my leg.

When I have had to explain things to people who don't understand what I do and they matter to me, I talk about animals.  They relate and can understand.  Then because I know them... I use something about them to show where they might have shown some dominance or submission and humor... is an amazing tool!  I have them laughing in no time and then let them think about things for a while.  Before too long they are asking questions becasue they saw the animal or dominance or submission in their own lives and in life in general.

I do explain how dominance and submission can be used in abusive ways and because they know me and the work I have done, they don't think for a moment I would abuse someone.  We laugh about the lil spanky spanks and pretty soon they are willing to admit what they are turned on by and do.  I just laugh and say... I knew that... a few where my adult offspring... you think I didn't know they liked tying things up and didn't know when they became aware of sex and all that? lol

This has worked for me.  Find an angle to use as an example of how dominance and submission play out in every day life and then bring it on home!

I wish you well in finding resources!  BDSM'ers are a resourse, maybe not one you can give fact sheets on, but a good resource into some understanding and finding other resources.

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/14/2009 3:07:50 PM   
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I had to hide my profile for personal reasons. If its very important, I can bring it back up.


Well, it is rude to ask people to provide you with information, but be anonymous to the point that your gender and whether you are in Irving, TX or the Comoros Islands must remain a secret. Secondly, "hiding your profile for personal reasons" is b*******. You can write it so you're not easily identifiable, which is the courteous thing to do if you are unable to do your own research. I agree with the perfesser here who made a comment - if you have not been able to find this information, either in your school library, an educational network, or on the Internet, I would say you are better off taking a Google course.

As to making classmates comfortable, why would that be important? Research is research, you're not trying to socialize here.


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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/14/2009 4:19:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LilithVonworren

Hello again everyone.

I am in a Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies course and will be doing my final essay on BDSM, in particular men and women's roles in a D/S relationship and how they can differ, or conform, to societal norms.

We also have to do a presentation in front of the class, which I am dreading. I'm afraid that it will be terribly awkward and my classmates will look at me differently after wards. My teacher, however, fully supports my topic and I have an inkling that she might be into BDSM herself. She's even going to lend me some books.

I was hoping to find some concrete information on the percentage of male submissives vs female submissives, and male doms vs female dommes.

Does anyone know where I would be able to find it?

I would also like any other books and websites that helped you learn about BDSM and how it relates to your gender, sexuality, and life in general.

Finally, any tips on how to make my class mate comfortable with this subject? That is partly the goal of my essay and presentation. They are all college students, obviously, and most seem fairly open, but I'm still a bit paranoid.

Thank you,
Lilith. <3


Lilith,

Firstly, I'm happy you decided to take a chance and work with a taboo in the classroom. This paper has a lot of potential, and I hope it goes well.

I come from a social sciences background as well, specifically cognitive work. In that field, the idea of comparing sex differences is tired and ill supported. In such a broad view as "all BDSM" the sexes are more alike than they are different. Unless the prompt of your paper specifically requires you to look at men's roles vs. women's roles, I alter that topic.

It may be easier to do an expose on the subject matter, if your professor approves. Contrarily, you may want to consider specifying your topic. 7-10 pages may sound daunting, but you could write that much about why you prefer a certain pair of socks over another if pressed. The idea of 4 groups (female and male doms and subs) and their interaction with society deserves a whole book. It could be covered in 10 pages, but it will be flimsy and less provocative. Any good professor understands that. "Professor, I cannot cover this topic in only 10 pages. I'd like to focus on a more specific area of BDSM and social interaction to ensure my essay is more than a book report."

How formal does this essay have to be? Can it include interview segments?

I really hope you do well with this. Feel free to write me if you want additional thoughts, proofreading, or insight about how professors really handle essays.


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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/14/2009 4:29:54 PM   
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Regarding presenting to classes:

If you have the means, use a PowerPoint presentation, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read the next sentence:

Never use more than 10 words on a slide. Ever.


Even if your teachers do it. Never.

Put up titles, pictures, and MAYBE a short quote or comment about a picture (great place for humor). Professors silently sigh when you click to the enxt slide and its a wall of text. It's terrible. If that was the direction you wanted to go, it's better to print out pamphlets. Pictures of BDSM gear, activities, members (who willingly show themselves) will go over very well with the class. It will be a thrill ride of Ooooo's and Aaaah's and catwhistles. In a good way. Perhaps, in discussing the commonality of BDSM, drop a picture of a granny type in spiked leather. It comically gets the point across.

I do, strongly, support the need to be entertaining in the presentation, and the use of comedy. Put up a 12' x 12' picture of a guy kissing a foot and you can talk to the class about how tile grout collects dust, and they'll be enthralled. Put up 450 words about how many women enjoy facefucking sissyboys with strapons and the crowd will still be as calm as Hindu cows.

Discussing sex in college, expect a circus. But be the ring leader. Statements like "Hey! I'm going to need your attention if you want to see the next slide!" will help ring in the crowd without hurting the mood.

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/14/2009 5:12:51 PM   
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I've talked to a number of women on another site like this who ended up taking down their profiles because of all the sketchy emails they were getting and have heard from one about how she got stalked because of her profile on said site. As such I'm disappointed in the posters giving an 18 year old girl a hard time when she's probably experiencing the same issue.

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/14/2009 9:25:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

I've talked to a number of women on another site like this who ended up taking down their profiles because of all the sketchy emails they were getting and have heard from one about how she got stalked because of her profile on said site. As such I'm disappointed in the posters giving an 18 year old girl a hard time when she's probably experiencing the same issue.


In addition to that, I was impressed with the forthright yet non-confrontational manner in which she stood her ground and responded to the critical replies. I admire the way she's handled this thread, and wish I had something substantive to help her out. All I can do is wish her luck with her project, which I wholeheartedly do.


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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/14/2009 9:42:24 PM   
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I'm going to echo HKs advice... choose a more specific topic.  If you really delve into this, you'll find that 7-10 pages to be confining.  If you need any further proof of this, look at some of the threads on these forae which have run 10, 15, even 20+ pages on a single narrow topic.  There is a HUGE amount of ground you can cover.  By picking a specific topic, you can present a stronger paper that will be more impressive... than if you do some overly generalized paper that really says nothing much at all.

From what you've written so far, am I correct that this class and thus the paper is dealing primarily with women's issues?  If so, then you can immediately narrow your topic down to focusing on just women choosing dominant, submissive or switch roles (don't forget all those switches out there and we have some very smart and very vocal ones right here in these forae).  What sorts of questions about that can you explore or would like to?  You could for example choose to focus on why women might choose these roles, what about each is rewarding to them.  Or you might attempt an analysis of how changing gender roles in society may have produced some of these inclinations as a reaction and social adaptation (that would be a tough paper for most to write, but if you could present a plausible argument you might have a real winner).  Another possible topic would be the identity and self esteem crisis many women go through while learning to explore, accept and express either a dominant or submissive personality, and how this is or may be complicated through various social issues.

Once you have such a topic, you might find the people here on these forums a good source of information and personal accounts.

What sort of thought have you given along those lines, if any?

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/14/2009 10:43:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LilithVonworren

I am in a Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies course and will be doing my final essay on BDSM, in particular men and women's roles in a D/S relationship and how they can differ, or conform, to societal norms....

They can conform in the manner of the 50's housewife/ 50's household....I admire those that dabble with that, but have never experienced it myself, except in odd little moments, and with some of the accoutrements.
(Love 50's style, for example, and sometimes play with what we perceive to be the roles/ stereotypes.)

There are websites dedicated to the concept (sorry I don't have a link handy).

There's some old famous Redbook (perhaps?) article from the 50's about what an ideal wife might aspire to be, and it reads a lot like what we would perceive to be a D/s screed for an ideal submissive today, for example...


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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/14/2009 11:20:29 PM   
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Interesting.

Of course, being a researchy type myself, I would love to read some of those papers, but they're probably all behind a subscription wall if online at all. It's the nature of academia. (wry grin)

Of course, I adore very subtle, mental/control type BDSM, which means I can run an entire four-hour scene conducted mostly out in public and in vanilla situations. Watching a sub work out how to ask me if they may go use the bathroom without sounding like a three year old is highly entertaining.

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/14/2009 11:53:14 PM   
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Depending on the amount of time you have to assimilate the information for this paper...have you thought about doing some studies/questionnaires yourself? I can't imagine you'd have any shortage of potential test subjects at a college. Plus, presuming you'd make it anonymous, it would be a good way to gauge the comfort level of your peers (which you mentioned being something you were worried about).

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/15/2009 1:12:09 AM   
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One day I was very, very bored. I randomly searched my public library's online catalogue for essays and articles about women and bdsm. (I used to read the encyclopedia for entertainment, so this is an improvement for me.) Surprisingly, I was overwhelmed by the amount of essays and articles available on the topic. I also liked that it offered an array of opposing viewpoints already laid out for me which would be very helpful with writing a paper (a good paper). Someone already mentioned JSTOR and that's definitely the way to go. If you want more and you can't find it in the databases your school library subscribes to, try your public library. You might be surprised.




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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/15/2009 7:06:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissAnimus
... Someone already mentioned JSTOR and that's definitely the way to go. If you want more and you can't find it in the databases your school library subscribes to, try your public library. You might be surprised.

That's true; if you live in a big enough town.
My public library subscribes to JSTOR, for example, so it's possible to access that site through the library's website.

I'm not sure if you have to enter your library card number for that, though...Otherwise, anybody anywhere could view the subscription site via the library's website.


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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/15/2009 4:40:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LilithVonworren
Hello again everyone.

I am in a Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies course and will be doing my final essay on BDSM, in particular men and women's roles in a D/S relationship and how they can differ, or conform, to societal norms.

We also have to do a presentation in front of the class, which I am dreading. I'm afraid that it will be terribly awkward and my classmates will look at me differently after wards. My teacher, however, fully supports my topic and I have an inkling that she might be into BDSM herself. She's even going to lend me some books.

I was hoping to find some concrete information on the percentage of male submissives vs female submissives, and male doms vs female dommes.

Does anyone know where I would be able to find it?

I would also like any other books and websites that helped you learn about BDSM and how it relates to your gender, sexuality, and life in general.

Finally, any tips on how to make my class mate comfortable with this subject? That is partly the goal of my essay and presentation. They are all college students, obviously, and most seem fairly open, but I'm still a bit paranoid.


You can approach bondage from the vanilla aspect quite easily.  Many, if not most, of your classmates will either have been involved in some playing around with bondage, or had fantasies triggered by distressed damsels in films, cartoons etc.  Bondage is quite common in standard literature and television.

I like Lockit's advice about approaching D/s from the animal kingdom and another approach is to take it out of standard society - we all are dominant and all are submissive under certain situations (I tend to use parenting and policing as examples) and when it comes to personal relationships, rarely is there a complete power balance, even if it is not actively intended.  People in D/s intend for their to be a power imbalance, that's all.  Taking D/s from this sort of angle should hopefully leave people remaining receptive even when you go on to talk about the greater power exchange modes.

You could approach S&M from the aspect of where is the boundary between pleasure and pain.  Most of your female (and some of the male) classmates will know that they can get pleasure from having their nipples played with and will also know that there comes a time when play becomes painful.  Some of them will have already found that when it is painful, there is also a pleasure to it.  The same will go for men's cocks being manipulated.  Not everyone will get it (I don't) but enough will understand.

For some sympathetic coverage of various aspects of BDSM, I recommend the Wipipedia.  It balances out the rather stodgy and disapproving tone of the same topics on Wikipedia.  You can also find links to various books and many other websties from the Wipipedia.

I do not know where you would get concrete percentages from.  Even if you were to ask the CollarMe management, all they could give you is the number of profiles of each, which contains so many fakes that the figures couldn't really be trusted.  At a GUESS, I'd say the percentages are something like:
Male Dominants  30
Male Submissives  20
Female Dominants 10
Female Submissives  40
This is by no means scientific and I only state it for you as a starting guide, if you have none other.  If you wanted to know what proportion of submissives are slaves, or what proportion of dominants are owners, I think you would have a great deal of difficulty, given the flexibility of the usage of the terms.

I am happy to help more by private e-mail and would be interested in seeing your essay.

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/15/2009 6:51:42 PM   
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LilithVonworren, when you find statistics on the different roles, I'd love to hear them.
I'm curious about the actual percentage of female dominants and why there are so few of them. A quick google search didn't turn up hard number on that but this was interesting: http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5280370/The-pleasure-of-pain.html

"Over 40 mammalian species have been identified that bite while mating; among humans, approximately 25% of both men and women report having been sexually aroused by a partner's bite (Ellis, 1927; Weinberg, 1995)."

"Between 5-10% of the population in both the United States and the European Union practice some sort of mild, pain-free BDSM sex-play on a regular basis (APA, 2000; Masters et al., 1985; Master et al., 1995; Reinisch, 1990; Weinberg, 1995)."

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/16/2009 4:47:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
...this was interesting: http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5280370/The-pleasure-of-pain.html


The problem is finding reliable information.  I'm sure most of us would disagree with this extract from that article:
"Scholars and practitioners alike accept that sadomasochism exists in the context of an extreme psychological imbalance of power between partners."  While S&M are often encountered within a D/s environment, it is certainly not unique to that; the use of the word 'extreme' is definitely incorrect and this entire sentence ignores the existence of switches.

The OP will have to check her research very carefully if she is to avoid just regurgitating rubbish written by other people who also didn't know enough.

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/16/2009 1:12:27 PM   
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Did anyone mention 'Screw the roses send me the thorns'? good read for starters
and yes humor of course
good luck lillith (i hide my profile too!!)

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/27/2009 7:30:35 PM   
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Hello everyone, I don't have time to reply individual to everyone at this moment because I'm quite busy with finals, but I really want to extend my gratitude to each and every one of you. The sources I already had were "The Loving Dominant" and "Erotic Slavehood" both of which should prove to be very useful. I did find a couple books at my schools library on sadism and masochism, and I'm finding information online as well. Really, thank you all so much! I'll let you know how it goes. :)

AAkasha: I just have to reply to you; I love your idea about the presentation. I'll definitely go for it!

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RE: BDSM Education: An Essay. Help? - 4/28/2009 3:29:28 AM   
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Look up Glora Brame, she's a psychologist who writes on the subject.

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