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Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/15/2009 11:13:00 AM   
FriskyBiscuit


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Status: offline 		My wife wants a hook in a ceiling or doorframe so she can be tied hands up over her head . Should  I just get a big eye hook from Home Depot or is there a good bondage specific product any one knows of?
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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/15/2009 11:28:28 AM   
SteelofUtah


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Status: offline 		Ceing Mounts are Tricky.

If this is a Rental DO NOT ATTEMPT PERIOD.

If it is a Home and you Own it you can make this work by crawling into the attic and using 2 4X4 Posts and Spreading them across 4 of the existing rafters and then connecting them to each of the rafters so it will not slide. Then Mount an "O" rink PLATE to the 4X4's with 2 inch Lags. This will give the necessary support for a human body. In most cases the existing Rafters will not be strong enough individually to support the weight of a Himan Body especially if that body isn't petite.

Then Drill the hole throgh the Celing and you can either mount directlto the "O" ring in the attick or drop a section of Chain through the hole and use that as a Mounting Start. It also makes it easier to hide with Paper Lantern or something that one would hang from the celing.

Just remember you will be suspending a Human Body from this and you will usually have them tied in positions that if the rafter split or the "I"bolt gave and pulled out the person would fall in the tied position and depending on the tie would not be able to brace their fall and this is how people get hurt.

Happy Hanging.

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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/15/2009 12:12:08 PM   
FriskyBiscuit


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Status: offline 		No i wasn't going to suspend the body. The eye bolt would be in the ceiling but I'd use rope or light chain to a bring another hook down to a reasonable height.

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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/15/2009 12:38:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are ignoring the Collapse Factor. if she Passes out or Trips and Stumbles the whole weight of her body is on a Single Rafter or maybe two but the weight is not equalized where ever the energy of fall goes that Rafter will have to hold the brunt of the weight.

Trust me on this having seen MANY riggings Fail the method I offer above is the Sure Fire GUARANTEE for Safety.

When it comes to Anything that chould end in Suspension on Purpose of By Accident you want to MAKE SURE there is support and that it can be equalized.

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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/15/2009 3:30:03 PM   
GotSteel


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Status: offline 		Even if she doesn't pass out, she could basically end up hanging from it just by getting weak in the knees, happens to my sub all the time when she's stimulated.

http://www.sub-shop.com/1703koverheadquickbondagestraps.aspx

I'm skeptical of a door being strong enough for this, anyone have experience with it? Personally I've got a hang board (1-1/2" thick and 11" wide) bolted into four studs above a door, it's worked fine for years.

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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/16/2009 4:36:43 AM   
ArtfullDodger


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Status: offline 		SteelofUtah has given you the best approach...It's going to envolve(sp) a crawl thru the ceiling and some carpentry but you really don't want to do anything with the studs in a doorway, there is no way to be sure that you've set the bolt in far enough for it to truely hold your wife and most door frames aren't really that tall...

Question...Are you wanting the hook to be easily removed from public view or is it going to be in the open all the time???

Dodger...

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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/16/2009 4:47:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Steel is right on the money.  If you are doing a "from the stringer" attachment, it has to be really "in there."  There are some details that might help on my website at http://www.lovingdominant.org/suspend.html.

It's probably too late for your needs, but I just completed a This Old Dungeon course for Power Play Academy  www.powerplayacademy.org that has a large section on both overt and covert standing bondage installations.

One of the things I recommend for a Covert Dungeon is made by the SportSheets people.  It's simple and very effective.  http://www.sportsheets.com/doorJamCuffs.php


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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/16/2009 5:47:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh well, got alot of renovations comming up this summer so its a good time to do an installation.

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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/16/2009 7:19:25 AM   
GotSteel


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Status: offline 		Just noticed you were talking about this: "hands up bent over posture" have you discussed the danger of shoulder dislocation with your sub? I recently went to a predicament bondage class with Midori where she was adamant that this position shouldn't be used. Plenty of people do use it and don't have trouble but there is the potential for things to go badly if your sub falls over. Sorry if I'm saying things your well aware of but it sounds like this is a new area of bondage for the two of you so I figured better safe than sorry.

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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/16/2009 9:41:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

Just noticed you were talking about this: "hands up bent over posture" have you discussed the danger of shoulder dislocation with your sub? I recently went to a predicament bondage class with Midori where she was adamant that this position shouldn't be used. Plenty of people do use it and don't have trouble but there is the potential for things to go badly if your sub falls over. Sorry if I'm saying things your well aware of but it sounds like this is a new area of bondage for the two of you so I figured better safe than sorry.


Yay I've done bondage classeswith Midori too..... sorry back to topic

I agree with you that this position is a bit of a dodgy one for causing dislocations and I know we see loads of pics on BDSM sites of girls doing just that but they are models and do it for effect.

As far as hook up (without suspension) I would go for the door so long as its a solid frame. Equestrian shops have some great tie up rings that should be adequate or you could try a marine chandlers. We make lots of BDSM stuff from a chandlers shop and they do virtually everything in nice shiny stainless steel.
We have a full ceiling winch that will take up to 3 tons but its in a concrete ceiling and it cost a fair amount of money.
You really don't want to be spending out a packet just to shackle her arms above her head.


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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/16/2009 9:49:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

Just noticed you were talking about this: "hands up bent over posture" have you discussed the danger of shoulder dislocation with your sub? I recently went to a predicament bondage class with Midori where she was adamant that this position shouldn't be used. Plenty of people do use it and don't have trouble but there is the potential for things to go badly if your sub falls over. Sorry if I'm saying things your well aware of but it sounds like this is a new area of bondage for the two of you so I figured better safe than sorry.


I see no problem with that position if you make sure the person cannot fall down.  If you tie ropes from the hips/tights to the ceiling and from the upper body to the ceiling.  Fastens them securely and then lifts the hands up.  Just make sure if you need to cut a limp body down to start on the hands.

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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/17/2009 12:37:35 PM   
FriskyBiscuit


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Status: offline 		Thanks for all the great advice. We've always been more into roll playing and are trying more gear play lately. Always something to learn

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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 4/17/2009 6:56:20 PM   
ShibariJon


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Status: offline 		I concur with sadomasokisti but will add that full suspension bondage is something that both you and your sub should work up to gradually in stages. Remember that holding the classic Strappado position for any length of time requires a certain degree of fitness on the part of the submissive. 
There's a nice short film lurking on the google video site showing various forms of the 'Strappado', I particulary like the use of the counterwieght as opposed to a secure fixing, though would probably incorperate an elastic 'bungee' cord rather than the dumbell.

For less complex 'fun' play there is an old sailors prank involving the 'Tomfool' knot. Tied correctly it will give the impression of restraint yet runs easily under a heavier load. This could provide enough tension on the arms to satisfy the scene and only minor discomfort should the submissive collapse. Finally a  doorframe chin-up bar might prove viable at a pinch for this simple type of  play NOT full body suspension.

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RE: Hook in Ceiling for hands up bent over posture? - 5/16/2009 5:26:58 PM   
Dawgus


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Status: offline 		All I use for anything overhead/in the ceiling are what is called a "Sammy Screw". They have a wood thread that screws into a joist (or anything else) and have a female 3/8 thread on the bottom. We use them all the time for work for hanging pipe, and they have an 1100 lb vertical pullout strength. I use only welded 3/8 eyebolts, even though they are never used for suspension, I just prefer the safety factor. What I really love about them is they can be countersunk into the drywall, so all thats visible (without an eye of course) is the small female thread. They're available in 2-1/2 and 3" shank length, I prefer the 3" for maximum strength.

You can't get them at a big-box or hardware store, you'll need to go to a plumbing/pipe supplier. If they'll hold a 21 foot length of water-filled 4" steel pipe, I trust them to hold my wife!

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