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RE: About betrayal - 4/16/2009 6:39:03 PM

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What ever happened to flog him, then shoot him.

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RE: About betrayal - 4/16/2009 6:58:10 PM

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As a sub, when a Domme betrays me, I pull out my wink wink and play with it because I'm just a lowly slave and am just here for a woman to treat me like garbage. The act of betrayal by a domme is the highest form of showing she cares for me.

Or I just cut them off, like I would any other person. And I keep the wink wink in my pants. Betrayal = end of relationship

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RE: About betrayal - 4/16/2009 7:04:48 PM

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Betray: to turn traitor, to break trust, to deceive.

The operative point being that trust or commitment must be established first.
The sub-brat who

enjoyed a trial afternoon's session but later cut all communications without notice more than "I felt bad after church"
who begged repeatedly for a second chance, eventually received it, was released with no hard feelings after a multi-day visit,
and finally begged so hard for another round that I contemplated a trial pro-d for a single weekend, to which he cheerfully agreed, scheduled dates, & then pulled the disappearing-sub act again with no word of farewell and absolutely no notice (I smelled the rat this time, a quick check under another ID proved he'd just hidden his profile from me)

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THAT sub betrayed me. I call him the bouncing bozo.

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RE: About betrayal - 4/18/2009 8:44:56 PM

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Hmmmmm . . .. . Thanks to the ladies for their perspectives on this, good fodder for rumination . .... .

I mostly do what I can to screen the less-suitable out of my life, trust & honesty-wise . .. .. .

I think that, like LadyHibiscus, I know betrayal when I feel it, in my gut, throughout my body, that shock, almost physical, that floor-dropping-away sensation that something I thought I had some reason to trust has turned out to be rather more ephemeral . . . . .

For me, there's also nuances of 'levels of relationship', so it depends on what kind of relationship is being betrayed as to how I'll react . ... .

I'm seriously over-sensitive & feel 'lightly betrayed' on the acquaintance level quite a bit, but I shrug, file away the knowledge of where that particular integrity level exists, & move on; this continuum extends to the other end where the betrayals of love lurk . ....

Love betrayed really pisses me off, it becomes the case that it's good I hew to some moral framework that keeps me away from high explosives & automatic assault rifles & flame-throwers & such like . .. ..

Slave betraying mistress? Well, for me, BDSM is a creative outlet of love & sex, & exploring the depths of BDSM is, for me, exploring the depths of love . .. . . While I've not owned or been own, to me that would be a logical extrema of love, of devotion, of adoration . . ... & that level of betrayal would be hideous for all concerned. . . . .

I'm very good at figuring out moral, ethical, & legal ways of making people miserable, & / or quite publicly enjoying the miseries of those who deserve their pain . .. . . . & I have a reasonably long memory . . ... . I'd like to be a better person, I work to be a better person, but I can also be a cold-hearted mean-ass vengeful bitch . . . . . . . Depends on how intentional the betrayal, circumstances & such, but, yeah . .. . .. .

Revenge is a dish best served cold - Klingon saying . . . . . Hehehehe . . . ...

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RE: About betrayal - 4/18/2009 9:16:59 PM

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DemonKia, are you sending Morse code messages with your use of dots? Lockit is going to be PISSED!

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RE: About betrayal - 4/18/2009 9:36:04 PM

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OH... THAT'S what this dots stuff is about....

BTW... That was (or may still be) the motto of a bar named Stockman's in Missoula Montana... No... Wait... That was "Liquor up..." No.... Let's not go there....

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RE: About betrayal - 4/18/2009 11:09:23 PM

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. . . .

lol

Nah, I'm just kind of an elliptical speaker & they're a natural for me . . . . & sometimes the speeding fingers leave them properly spaced, & sometimes they come out more esoterically . . .. .

Tho', seriously laughing at the notion that I'm embedding code in there . . . . . If someone does find a message in Morse in my ellipses, let me know what it is . . . . . It's gonna be some taoistic variation on 'if 500 monkeys typed for 500 years' . . . . Maybe the question to the universe . . . . .

Excellent, fellas . .. . . . *chuckling*

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RE: About betrayal - 4/18/2009 11:16:54 PM

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If 500 monkeys typed on 500 hundred keyboards for 500 years Using those dam'n dots), they might master ... --- ... Dashes! I forgot dashes!

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RE: About betrayal - 4/22/2009 12:09:43 PM

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Betrayal is a very serious term.... that's much more intense than disobey or failed to comply. If I had a slave and said slave betrayed me, I would release them and have no further contact in most instances. The only exception would be if said betrayal required legal actions on my part to protect my interests, but I would be finished with that person in a relationship sense.

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RE: About betrayal - 4/22/2009 2:34:34 PM

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quote:

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DemonKia, are you sending Morse code messages with your use of dots? Lockit is going to be PISSED!

LOL... beat's my three dot stutter and stuck. But keep this up with the secret messages and they will file us all in off topic or politic's. (It's scary down there!)

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RE: About betrayal - 4/22/2009 4:47:57 PM

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Putting dots aside, I have to say that this whole betrayal thing has me a bit bugged. It is so easy to hurt someone unintentionally that doing so intentionally seems superfluous.

I can be incredibly absent minded (and I am not even a professor); so, I am sure that I have hurt others in numerous ways. I have no clue how many potential friends or lovers I have lost that way.

How do I deal with it in others? Sooner or later I get fed up and break contact.

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RE: About betrayal - 4/22/2009 4:54:14 PM

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I have to wonder what the men in my past were thinking. I don't mean that I've had some long string of betrayals in my past, but it's so hard to believe that they were NOT acting intentionally! The capacity for casual cruelty continues to shock me.

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RE: About betrayal - 4/22/2009 5:10:42 PM

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I can only speak for myself Fair Lady! Sorry, I just weighed in on the Shakespear dicussion on another thread.

Cruelty does seem to be ingrained into some folks. Self centeredness may be the answer.

Speaking of cruelty, why do we let people mask it by claiming to "just being honest?" When people say that the "Truth hurts," I have to ask are these people devoted to truth or the pain that they can inflict with it?

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RE: About betrayal - 4/22/2009 5:14:09 PM

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Cruelty does seem to be ingrained into some folks. Self centeredness may be the answer.

Actually, it's one of the symptoms of narcissistic disorder! That absolute inability to know how another person feels... Now, I am not one of those folks who feels that everyone has a page in the DSMIV---it's possible to be a miserable shit without there being a diagnosis attached!---but it's something I have run into before.

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RE: About betrayal - 4/22/2009 5:27:00 PM

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You know--- I almost drowned as a young man! I saw this pool of still, calm water. I looked into the water and behold!-- The most beautiful face I'd ever seen looked back. I HAD to kiss this face and----

I should get into selling used cars.

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RE: About betrayal - 4/22/2009 6:11:49 PM

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LOL.. SnowRanger... yes, everyone knows a car salesman always tell's half the story! So... are you going to finish it?

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RE: About betrayal - 4/22/2009 8:25:47 PM

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It's scary, I've only been betrayed once in a relationship sense, but it was of a scope and from a person that still boggles the mind of those who know the story. My friends are shocked that it hasn't affected the way I relate and deal with people to this day. I do things differently, but I would never let the actions of one person cloud how I live my life or see things in others. But, it also has just reinforced that pretty much any person is capable of any thing at any time.

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RE: About betrayal - 4/22/2009 8:55:36 PM

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I'd probibly just shoot him.

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RE: About betrayal - 4/22/2009 9:03:41 PM

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I'd probibly just shoot him.

i think i'd have to agree, well him or her anyway. betrayal is so much more than a lie or a simple act of disobedience.
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RE: About betrayal - 4/22/2009 9:12:03 PM

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I'd probibly just shoot him.

Yanno, to this day I think about the chances I had to kill him and get away with it. But, he has grandchildren... and at that time, his mom was alive and all.