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RE: Whistleblowing Nurse Struck Off - 4/18/2009 3:24:12 AM

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Good morning Miss M

kazza hasn't seen things as bad as what you describe in her hospital, however it can be that bad in homes for the elderly. The staff is simply overwhelmed and since there is little monitoring those who really shouldn't be working in such a home get away with abuse until a family member notices physical signs.

kazza lives in Canada, like the US our Emergency Rooms are packed to the brim. It's not at all uncommon for someone to be parked in the hallway where there is no privacy or dignity. kazza also knows there are many who cannot afford their medications or have to choose between food or meds and choose food. Luckily some of the Pharmaceutical Companies, if contacted by the doctor will give their drugs for free on a compassionate basis. The trouble is those who don't report that they can't afford their meds.

It's a damn shame nurses aren't valued for the extraordinary work they do. kazza has many friends at work who are nurses and she sees how exhausted they are, doing the work of several. Most are taking early retirement as they are just worn out, physically and mentally and it's a damn shame. Our problem is that there are constant cutbacks and they always seem to be at the nursing/clerical staff level, while there are new additions on the administrative level all the time. Burnouts are almost at an epidemic level as people leave and aren't replaced.

Still things aren't as bad as they are in the UK, kazza is horrified by what she has read here.

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RE: Whistleblowing Nurse Struck Off - 4/18/2009 3:48:40 AM

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Good morning to you too, Kazza. I hope you had a good night.

While some areas have been highlighted and are a grave cause for concern, they do not undermine the exemplary work conducted in high grade hospitals across the country, and they are many. I was recently treated in one - the Princess Royal - and have nothing but praise for the services I received. The hospital itself was spotless, there were notices on the entrance to each ward of a routine of cleaning procedures to be undertaken daily/weekly by the cleaning operatives (thanks Stella!) and I noted that when the operative came to do their duties the first thing they did was look at the list and adhere to it. The nursing staff did not have that harried appearance I have seen in other hospitals due to overwork/resignation of situation and more importantly (I believe the medical sector has the quickest burn-out rate of any other sector), I felt confident in the knowledge that my welfare/being was their main priority - I have let them know that and my comments can be found on their website as I feel it is just as important to highlight the good and give praise where its due.

It's not all doom and gloom, but when this system does fail, it does so royally and the patient is never the only victim.

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RE: Whistleblowing Nurse Struck Off - 4/24/2009 12:36:02 PM

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Wait, I thought that the English health care system was the best in the world!!! Oh wait, that's just lefty bs!

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RE: Whistleblowing Nurse Struck Off - 4/24/2009 12:39:12 PM

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Wait, I thought that the English health care system was the best in the world!!! Oh wait, that's just lefty bs!

...the best in the world is, by most accounts, the French. Oh, and it's British, not English. Guess how the US system ranks?

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RE: Whistleblowing Nurse Struck Off - 4/24/2009 12:57:33 PM

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...the best in the world is, by most accounts, the French.

Oui. It's incredibly efficient, and it allows its users to choose their caregivers. Strangely, when 'universal healthcare' is envisaged in America, few people consider the French example as one that ought to be emulated. Bizarre, non

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RE: Whistleblowing Nurse Struck Off - 4/24/2009 1:00:13 PM

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Do the French look healthy to you?

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RE: Whistleblowing Nurse Struck Off - 4/24/2009 1:34:10 PM

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Health Care Lessons From France

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RE: Whistleblowing Nurse Struck Off - 4/25/2009 9:46:00 AM

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I was unaware of how good France is. My own anecdotal knowledge is that the further east one goes in Europe, the better the health care. It seems like the one thing the old Soviet Union got right was health care and places like Hungary have amazingly good health care provision.

One aspect of British health care that I really like is the NHS. I think the original concept is wonderful and a sign of a truly civilised society. The trouble is, that it seems to have gone downhill ever since it was tampered with in breaking it up and making profit centres out of everything. There are many good aspects to the NHS still and I hope we can get back to a truly free and fair health care system, despite the growing demands made upon it by an ageing population.

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RE: Whistleblowing Nurse Struck Off - 4/25/2009 4:29:13 PM

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The NHS, hmmm, what it was when it was formed was a good idea, me, I still believe in that idea, and that is my failing. I believe we pay in via tax, therefore when we need it should be there. Often, it is not. Recently due to pressure from friends, I sough an appointment with my GP, I have an appointment in twenty days unless I bend the truth and make some noise, make the query more than what it is. But I believe in honesty, so twenty days I will wait. As to making the appointment, the actual getting there, is all down to memory, my reason for making the appointment in the first place, I had remembered to do so, some weeks after a good friend threatened to make one for me. The complaint being that of a very poor memory, a recent problem that has me concerned. You see, the fears I have, tv adverts have warned against, now tv adverts I normally ignore, but one advert rang true and caused concern, the memory loss could be the beginnings of something more.

The NHS is not what it was, and now I see the taxpayers are being conned, healthcare in the uk, is going back to what it was before the NHS, something which might be causing the rise in the alternative health care practitioners which the medical comminity seems to hunt and discredit. What is it, the league of doctors, the mdical profession, maybe they see the future of healthcare and wish to rid all possibility of alternative medicine.

Whistle blowers they I admire, they I feel are the true health care professionals, those that have heart in their job. Those that accept and carry on, it could be they are resigned to an alternative understanding, not the understanding they believed was their profession,but they need the job, so stay quiet.

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RE: Whistleblowing Nurse Struck Off - 4/26/2009 7:24:45 AM

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I feel sorry for that nurse despite the read pros and cons of her actions.

I am from germany and was fairly shocked about the health care system over here which is one of many reasons why I won't stay in UK forever (and am leaving latest after my studies).

About 3 years ago they said in a newsprogramm on BBC or ITV that waiting times practically don't exist in germany and also that MRSA practically doesn't exist. During my 25 years of living in germany I never ever heard about MRSA and only once when I have been at home in march this year I heard one person talking about having catched it at a hospital at a late night talk show. As this is rare in germany he explained a lot what MRSA is...over here it feels to me as if you hear it all the time...(sorry if that sounds exaggarating, but thats just how it feels to me).

I couldn't find the link from when it was mentioned on TV about 3 years ago, but a link about it, where I copy out the part on the bottom of the report so you can avoid clicking onto the link if you want to:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1990909.stm

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How does the UK compare to other European countries?
The NHS does not compare favourably to health systems in many European countries.
While the health service is widely considered to provide good value for money, it is not as efficient as those in France and Germany for example.
Long waiting times for hospital treatment are minimal in France and virtually unheard of in Germany.
That is why the government is using spare capacity in those countries to treat NHS patients. That policy is expected to be expanded over the coming months although there are concerns about the cost of treating British patients overseas.

Sometimes I get comments over here (when we come to discussing the topic NHS) that we would pay for it...well, we don't pay much for it, part pays the employer and a little part do we pay from our salary, but we also do contributions from our salary over here, don't we?

And even if we might pay a little more then we do in UK we also don't pay council tax in germany, so if you add both of them together (though I admit that they aren't related, but nevertheless both you can't avoid if you are not like me a student at the moment) then we have actually less to pay on such expenses each month then british people have to pay over here, but still a much better health system.

In germany I could go to any doctor I want to...it does not have to be on in YOUR AREA....

If I want to see the specialist I get either a referal letter by the GP and call the specialist myself, or I call the specialist straight away by myself, when I deem it to be necessary...I am over there in charge and decide which specialist I see, so e.g. if I suffer from heart problems and need a scan, then I decide which of the 5 heart specialists in my area I want to examine me...and not like here where I have to wait and see whom I have to put up with...

when I got referred in 2006 it took 4 months...I had internal bleedings like mad and seriously felt like I will be dead by then...and then I got told that 4 months is even quick...pardon??? That's not quick, in germany I see the specialist binnen 1-14 days...and if the specialist is incredible busy during the time I require him I just call a colleague from him to see if he has an earlier appointment available...

Discussions about cancer drugs being too expensive I never heard on german TV, not to mention the post code lottery where in some areas you get treatment in others you don't.

I just think that the british NHS system needs a serious revision, but so do also other aspects such as the fact that unqualified staff can work as care assistants...which again, is impossible in germany. You have to have a nursing qualification to work with people in hospitals and a similar 3 or 4 year qualification if you work in nursing homes with vulnerable adults... just a 90 minutes inducation course (which according investigation from panorama not even always is the case) doesn't work in germany, so I would not fancy being looked after over here...

(and sorry if I come accross arrogant, it is not meant like that...but it was quite a culture shock for me when I moved over here in 2005)

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