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Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 7:43:06 AM

Aileen68

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I'm pretty good at finding my way around my pc, but it appears that I need to know mac for a very intensive graphic design course that I may be taking starting on Sunday.
My question is...How difficult is it to learn mac? Never used it before. Would a book help? A tutor?
I just don't know and I am hesitant to register for the class and drop two grand if I won't be able to keep up.
Help!

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 7:56:25 AM

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Mac's are not that hard to learn. A good book will give you the basic instructions on how to find your way around. And though I personally don't use them, the 'how to guides for dummies' are really exceptionally written for crash courses.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 8:03:29 AM

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I was thinking of zipping to B&N to pick up one of those Dummy books. Thanks

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 8:08:17 AM

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They are fairly easy to learn, just BACK UP EVERYTHING. Macs have a tendency to crash without warning and you can lose everything. Back it all up on disk or a memory stick. I have lost months of work because of a network/computer crash. I had backed it up on the computer, but not outside of my computer and I lost everything.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 8:50:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68

I'm pretty good at finding my way around my pc, but it appears that I need to know mac for a very intensive graphic design course that I may be taking starting on Sunday.
My question is...How difficult is it to learn mac? Never used it before. Would a book help? A tutor?
I just don't know and I am hesitant to register for the class and drop two grand if I won't be able to keep up.
Help!

Not that hard. Remember, Windows is really just a rip-off of the Mac OS, so there's enough similarities you can get around. Where Mac's get a bit confusing is in connecting to and accessing share drives.

Since the course is about graphics and not Mac's, you won't have much trouble. I took one a few semesters ago on Photoshop and I hadn't used a Mac in about 10 years, but had no problems finding my way around with a little direction from the instructor. Of course, I also work on computers for a living, so it's probably just easier for me then most people to grapple with something new.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 8:52:53 AM

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I think I'll take the chance. It's a course on Photoshop and Illustrator which I know from pc applications so I have that background. Thanks.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 10:25:15 AM

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Not that hard. Remember, Windows is really just a rip-off of the Mac OS, so there's enough similarities you can get around. Where Mac's get a bit confusing is in connecting to and accessing share drives.

That is a very ill informed opinion if ever I heard of one. In fact the real truth is that Apple ripped off Xerox's windows with their 1983 release of Apple Lisa.

Microsoft began development of an interface manager in 1981. In 1983, at the same time that Apple delivered their ripoff to the public, Microsoft announced the first version of Windows.

If ANYTHING, Microsoft's idea of Windows came from Xerox. IBM and Microsoft jointly created OS/2 with Windows being created side by side in the early 80's. It was proclaimed by Microsoft that OS/2 was "Windows Plus" (and was, in fact, superior). However, the public chose Windows over OS/2, so development of OS/2 was handed over to IBM and Microsoft went in it's own direction, going public in 1986.

As far as operating a Mac and Cheese, they are not hard to learn. You master Windows, you pretty much master a Mac. They are very intuitive actually.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 10:48:04 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68

I'm pretty good at finding my way around my pc, but it appears that I need to know mac for a very intensive graphic design course that I may be taking starting on Sunday.
My question is...How difficult is it to learn mac? Never used it before. Would a book help? A tutor?
I just don't know and I am hesitant to register for the class and drop two grand if I won't be able to keep up.
Help!

you might try emailing "lovepet29" in Georgia, think he is a MAC expert, might be able to give you some quick pointers--food for thought.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 11:47:15 AM

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Click this link for a review from a Mac user. http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1137683440/Never_Get_A_Mac

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 12:33:02 PM

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Uh oh, Mercnbeth, that's a blemish on your otherwise sparkling record of advice. :)

I use Macs and PCs daily, fluently, and have for over a decade. Macs are elegant, capable, and far more desirable for many users than PCs. I think it's like comparing a fine car to a serviceable sedan. Many more people would enjoy the race car if they didn't need a cruddy sedan to schlep around their shit. Still, once you get used to the cruddy sedan, having to get used to the wiper lever being in a different place on a race car can be annoying.

Regarding learning Mac when you're a PC user, just recognize in advance that change is always painful. There are things that are different, and that will be annoying but not insurmountable. So just call up your inner masochist and suffer joyously.

BTW: In my extensive experience, recent models crash seldom and certainly no more often than the average home user's PC. And among benefits to a Mac: I've never had to stop everything I'm doing to purge the latest virus or malware out of my Mac. I use all sorts of peripherals and software out of the box without a trip to Staples to buy a card, driver or translation device. My security and networking are intuitive; I don't need to be or hire a consultant to implement either. And my laptop battery lasts 6 hours. :)

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 12:34:52 PM

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quote:

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[That is a very ill informed opinion if ever I heard of one. In fact the real truth is that Apple ripped off Xerox's windows with their 1983 release of Apple Lisa.

First, I never said Mac didn't get the idea from Xerox, I know they did. Since we are talking about a user switching from PC to Mac, and since no one ever used the Xerox GUI outside of a tightly controlled test environment, it's not RELEVANT information to the poster. So I chose not to include it. But at least you got that part right.

Second, you are clearly wrong if you think Microsoft was developing a GUI before the Mac had become a commercial success. Microsoft did not release Windows 1.0 until 1985, more then a year after Macintosh, and it was directly modeled on the Macintosh GUI, not the Xerox GUI (this according to actual history as reported by both companies and the fact that Microsoft licensed portions of the Macintosh GUI to include in Windows... see the Apple vs. Microsoft case of the late 1980's). They did not even begin work on a GUI until the Mac was in the marketplace and was kicking their hiney's.

In addition, OS/2 original was text-based, it did not even have a GUI and seems entirely irrelevant to a Mac/PC discussion. The GUI was added in version 1.1 (1988 if you need a year), long after Mac AND Windows.

Now, having said all that... I'm still a PC user. I prefer PC's. I make my living with PC's. So no, I'm not a "Microsoft hater", merely a person who believes you should get your facts straight before you go on a rant about something. Mac made the first commercially successful GUI, Windows took their ideas and ran with it based on a better business model even though their software was overall inferior for many years (though these days that's no longer the case, it's a toss-up).

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 12:45:46 PM

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quote:

Uh oh, Mercnbeth, that's a blemish on your otherwise sparkling record of advice. :)

shiggly,

I added the link purely for the humor! Wouldn't know how to turn on a Mac (Dance naked in front of it maybe?) But coincidently to this post someone sent me (MAC USER) the link I added to this thread.

Friends in the creative arts love them. This was the first time I ever heard anything bad. Now if you want to hear bad things about PC's in general and Microsoft in particular, I can provide PLENTY of first hand experience.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 12:48:34 PM

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Perhaps you would like to see the flow chart of Microsoft OS development from QDOS 1.0 in 1980 to XBox 360, Windows Vista, Windows 2000, Windows Server, Windows Automotive and eComStation in the present...

Clearly, judging by your statements, you haven't. Microsoft (and IBM for that matter) was developing a GUI before Apple hit the market with Lisa in 1983.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 1:07:30 PM

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Clearly, judging by your statements, you haven't. Microsoft (and IBM for that matter) was developing a GUI before Apple hit the market with Lisa in 1983.

Not according to Microsoft, nor Apple, nor pretty much anyone actually involved with the development of Windows. Every single person - except you apparently - seems to recall Steve Jobs showing Bill Gates some early versions of Mac GUI and Bill Gates deciding to license some of that technology to create the first Windows. Which part of that do you disagree with?

Now... if you want to be really technical about this disagreement, Microsoft was working on something called "Interface Manager" prior to the release of the Mac GUI. It was an advanced DOS shell program, not a real GUI interface and not remotely like Windows. It was scrapped when they saw what Macintosh had and they went with the Macintosh model. Which was exactly my point, Windows was built to emulate what Mac had done.

How is that so disagreeable to you when everyone else is the computing world pretty much agrees with those statements? You can always argue which OS is better or worse, but facts are facts.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 1:20:15 PM

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To get back on topic:

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I think I'll take the chance. It's a course on Photoshop and Illustrator which I know from pc applications so I have that background. Thanks.

You'll do fine then. I found that the base applications were nearly identical between the two systems. Just opening and closing and saving files was a little different from Windows to Apples because of the OS differences, but all the rest of the stuff you can do is located exactly where it should be. You won't have problems transferring files, either, both systems will read them just fine (as long as the program versions are pretty close... I was using Photoshop CS in class and had Photoshop 7.0 to work on outside of class).

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 1:38:49 PM

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What do you mean, according to Apple? Microsoft? What did you do, conduct interviews for the purpose of this thread? Unless you furnsih evidence, then you should not offer up such a statement that puts false words in other people's mouths.

For instance. In 1981 Xerox introduced the Star Workstation. If you saw images of a Star environment, and Windows 1.0 and Apple Lisa, you will quickly grasp the concept that they are all almost identical... Apple runs off to develop theirs... Microsoft scurries off in the other direction and while developing OS/2 they start to codevelop Microsoft Windows.

Yes, it is well known that Apple licensed some of their tech... But Microsoft had already started development. So... Legitimately licensing tech makes this statement:

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Windows is really just a rip-off of the Mac OS....

patently false and misinformed.

The funniest part of this whole darn thing? Apple outright steals the look and feel from Xerox. No licensing, nothing. Then they turn around and license the tech to Microsoft and on top of that had the balls to try and sue them when they made improvements in Windows 2.0... lol. Losers.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 1:42:21 PM

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i dont know anything about Mac :D But i know some one who did. Completely self taught.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 2:09:28 PM

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What do you mean, according to Apple? Microsoft? What did you do, conduct interviews for the purpose of this thread? Unless you furnsih evidence, then you should not offer up such a statement that puts false words in other people's mouths.

*sigh* I always get miffed when people can't do research for themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows
"In 1983 Microsoft announced its development of Windows, a graphical user interface (GUI) for its own operating system (MS-DOS) that had shipped for IBM PC and compatible computers since 1981. Microsoft modeled the GUI, which was first known as Interface Manager, after that of Apple's Mac OS. Bill Gates had been shown a Macintosh prototype by Steve Jobs early in its development, around 1981, and Microsoft was partnered by Apple to create some of the important early Mac software, such as Word and Excel."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Gates
Bill Gates Memo - "Make it just like Mac"

I shouldn't even have to provide a quote for Apple, their lawsuits against Microsoft should be enough evidence I would think. Now please... offer up your evidence that proves Windows was a rip off of Xerox, not a rip off of Mac. I'd very much like to see it. Show me where Bill Gates said "I like that Xerox OS, let's make it just like that."

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For instance. In 1981 Xerox introduced the Star Workstation.

And again this is irrelevant to comparing Apples and Windows. Clearly you don't like Apple for some reason. I'm not sure why. They aren't all that bad. They certainly had the better OS for more then a decade, it took until Windows 2000 for Microsoft to catch up. Their only two flaws have been poor networking support and a horrible business model that allowed Microsoft to flurish while they failed.

Windows is modeled on Mac OS, pure and simple. Yes, Mac OS is modeled on Xerox, Mac ripped them off first. But to deny the first part while claiming the second is simply ignoring the truth on your part. Both companies pulled huge rip offs of other people's work, Microsoft made the most of it while Apple floundered. Better business model, not superior product.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 3:14:59 PM

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now that we had a history lesson on Mac empire. They honestly are not hard, i am die heart mac user would not go back to pc unless the world was going to end, adn you can use a right/left click mouse. You are nto limited to a single click one. Good luck and hope you have some fun.

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RE: Mac????!!!! - 1/31/2006 4:12:04 PM

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I have done plenty of research and I am aware of everything you have been trying to say.... And here is the real story of what I am trying to tell you:

http://www.computerhope.com/history/198090.htm

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Xerox introduces the graphical Star workstation. This computer greatly influences the development of Apple’s future computer models, Lisa and Macintosh, as well as Microsoft’s Windows.

In short? You are telling only one piece of the puzzle. There are two pieces. Two contributing factors. There is Xerox's contribution, which came first and backs up My initial statement, and then there was Apple's contribution, which came second. I am telling everyone all the parts that you are missing that make your statement inherently false and misinformed. Microsoft ripped off nothing from Apple. Again, your statement is false. Microsoft ripped off Xerox, just like Apple did. Apple licensed their stolen tech to Microsoft. Microsoft bought it fair and square. Microsoft puts the two together to make Windows 1.0. Microsoft makes big improvements in 2.0 and Apple tries in vain to sue them for the size of the windows, the shape of the windows, the overlapping of the windows, blah blah blah. The Courts ruled against Apple, who really had no inherent rights to the tech to begin with.

Computers are My life, as pathetic as it sounds... Wikipedia is missing some of the facts, unless you did an improper search and they list the rest of the story elsewhere on the site...

Incidentally... In case you were not able to figure this out for whatever reason, Microsoft operating systems are in development for a LOOONG time before they are ever announced to the public, so do not hinge your every bet on the 1983 announcement to be the initial stages of developement. That, I think, is where you are going wrong. The OS was in development long before that. As proof, I can offer you Windows Vista. I was playing with Longhorn more than a year before Microsoft made any official announcement that they were even working on it. I was still playing with it while it was Windows XP with a sidebar/clock.

Another example. Microsoft has been working on XP SP3 for well over a year (well, several companies have been, actually). They just announced it back in November if I recall correctly.

Just two examples that the data you are hinging your statements on is at least partially incorrect.

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