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RE: Arrogance - 1/31/2006 6:16:42 PM   
cloudboy


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ORIGINAL: LessThanKate

I agree that arrogance and confidence are two separate things, but i think the line between them is easily crossed and recrossed. Arrogance in play does not necessarily translate into arrogance r/t. I prefer my Men confident to the point of arrogance, but not beyond.


I can't respond to everyone, but I think Kate here expressed the one general theme, which is the line between confidence (which is attractive) and arrogance (which can be a turn off.)

No one, though, has effectively argued for the sexiness of arrogance, so I will try to do so below:

The definition of arrogance is: "a strong feeling of proud self importance that is expressed by treating other people with contempt and disregard."

So, are "contempt and disregard" sexy? Theoretically a DOM could use these attitudes to overpower a submissive, break down the submissive's barriers, push the submissive in new directions, while also being very confident in one's own DOM project.

Examples:

A woman may have "contempt and disregard" for a man's masculinity ---- so she may arrogantly pursue a dominatin track of immasculation.

A man may have "contempt and disregard" for a woman's modesty, and so he may force her to be a degraded, publically paraded slut.

Arrogance, when it is sexy and dangerous, acts as a penetrating knife, sometimes the very thing craved by a submissive to push oneself over the edge, to go places craved yet forbidden. Arrogance, therefore, is arguably the catalyst of effective, penetrating dominance.

So, how does this model work for you?

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RE: Arrogance - 1/31/2006 6:19:13 PM   
TemptingNviceSub


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Status: offline 		Arrogance...humm..yes a good starting point..initial attraction..but it better be backed up with intelligience,confidence,humor...basically saying a good balance is the best aphrodisiac of all......be well/Tempting

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RE: Arrogance - 1/31/2006 7:27:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		A little arrogance is forgivable, especially if the dom admits to it.



< Message edited by classykindasassy -- 1/31/2006 7:32:09 PM >

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RE: Arrogance - 1/31/2006 7:51:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: candystripper

Arrogance is no more like confidence than pride is like dignity.

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I love this post, candystripper! Elegantly said.
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RE: Arrogance - 1/31/2006 8:19:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Arrogance, when it is sexy and dangerous, acts as a penetrating knife, sometimes the very thing craved by a submissive to push oneself over the edge, to go places craved yet forbidden. Arrogance, therefore, is arguably the catalyst of effective, penetrating dominance.

So, how does this model work for you?


mmmm....yes please!....

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RE: Arrogance - 1/31/2006 8:55:16 PM   
Sensualips


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Status: offline 		Mmmm, I find arrogance very appealing in someone that also has other qualities I find appealing. There is a time and place for overt expression of it though. A playful cockiness also works for me. Nothing wrong with some boldness and swagger.

However, if I don't care for a personality anyway, tossing in arrogance just makes it more unbearable. Pretentious or pompous, I don't care for either.

Of course, I am not a slave though.



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RE: Arrogance - 1/31/2006 9:28:51 PM   
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At least I got you to say "Mmmmm."

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RE: Arrogance - 2/1/2006 3:20:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The definition of arrogance is: "a strong feeling of proud self importance that is expressed by treating other people with contempt and disregard."
.....
So, how does this model work for you?


Not at all! Arrogance in a man is ugly. I'm attracted to those who have every reason to be arrogant but are far too thoughtful to treat other people that way. Men (and women) who weigh the alternatives and make the deliberate choice to be kind.

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RE: Arrogance - 2/1/2006 3:45:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		You have made me say "mmm" before. Just not out loud. In fact, I think it was your arrogance that did it too...

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RE: Arrogance - 2/1/2006 6:08:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I find a tinge of arrogance to be a good aphrodisiac for me.

However it has nothing to do with deciding whether someone is a good partner in the long term.


I agree. Out in the world, I display confidence bordering on arrogance to some people and humility towards others. There is no contradiction in possessing both traits. And, of course, unjustified arrogance is pathetic and laughable.

Bob


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RE: Arrogance - 2/1/2006 7:17:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sensualips

You have made me say "mmm" before. Just not out loud. In fact, I think it was your arrogance that did it too...


I just look like I know something, but I know that I don't know much. I'm kind of like an aimless buzz saw (loud and crazy.)

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RE: Arrogance - 2/1/2006 7:40:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		From personal experience, I've found that there is some degree of arrogance to be found in people who are at the top of their game. This is usually mixed with confidence. These people exude the scent of power. Power is a powerfull aphrodesiac attracting both sexes and often in a non sexual way.. The attraction is there and thus when a "Master" sends out an subtle invisable call lesser beings answer the call eagerly and those on the same wavelength become aware of another player in the Master Class of life. What some see as self confidence, others see as arrogance, especially if there is an aura of command present as well. I snap my fingers or use a hand gesture such as one finger pointing to the space eithe on my left or before me will tell a girl I own than i require to attend me; two fingers pointing to my left or before me tells her i require her kneeling beside or before me; two fingers separated shows I want her in nadu. To many this is absolute arrogance, to those in the know it is naught but a Master using hand signals to communicate his wished to his slave. That when the summoned slave arrives and is kept waiting whilst I attend to other matters such as finishing my beverage, to some smacks of arrogance yet again to those in the know I am simply maintaining the perspective and reinforcing to the slave that she is property and nothing more.

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