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DvilsDom -> Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 1:05:43 PM)

A couple, Dom/sub for many years, in their mid 30's, living as D/s
for several years real time decided to go on a well deserved
vacation to Bermuda. While there, as do a lot of other couples,
they have a couple of beers but are not legally intoxicated. In
broad daylight they decide to go out into the ocean together. As He
is several inches taller than she is they go a little more than
waist deep on Him but she wraps her legs around Him, He carries her,
etc. They are amorous and hugging and kissing, etc and she decides
this would be a good time for a little teasing under water so she
starts to give Him a blow job. (you can see where this is going
huh?) Occasionally she comes up for air then goes back and is
obviously enjoying it. They have practiced breath play before, and
in fact have done this same under water scenerio before without
incident. However this time He sees no sign of distress from her.
No resistance when He places His hand on her head, no fighting or
struggling from her to indicate she is out of air. Nothing until she
goes lax and floats up to the top at which point He notices, takes
her back to the beach and CPR is performed to no avail. the sub
died. cause of death: drowning. The man, Dom, is arrested and
charged with manslaughter.

The prosecution states that at the time of arrest He did make a
statement that she was flailing around slightly in the water at one
point but He took it for her trying to stay under the water. They
also state at the time of His arrest He had scratches on His thighs,
presumably from her nails. He says it was incidental in her trying
to keep herself in the position to finish the blowjob as the waves
were moving her around a bit and making it harder for her but that
He never even noticed them. He admits He held her head under water
during the blowjob but for a few seconds only and then He'd let go
and she'd come back up for air. This was a normal practice for them
and had been done by them, as ive said, several times before.

The defense states that according to RACK, risk aware consentual
kink, that as T/they had done this numerous times before there was
no reason for Him to have questioned the safety or sanity of the act
any more than He had before. And that she was in fact a very
intelligent, very eager and willing participant in said act and in
fact initiated it, and as such she was aware of the risks she was
taking and felt they were minimal enough to proceed anyway.

also of note: in the coroner's report there was no semen in her
stomach contents indicating that the drowning occured as a result of
her trying to swallow. she had no underlying heart or other health
problems that would have contributed to her death and she was not
legally intoxicated but she did have some alcohol in her blood.

these are the facts as Ive read them. if there are other
extenuating circumstances Im unaware of them. so whats your opinion:
is He guilty of manslaughter/ murder, or not guilty?




Kana -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 1:57:35 PM)

If nothing else, its negligent homicide.



Be careful during extreme breath play,
Remember the preppy murder case a few years ago
the guy used essentially the same defense and got found guilty.




NihilusZero -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 1:59:00 PM)

Of course he's guilty.




Mikalsheart -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 2:02:13 PM)

give me more evidence please Sir.....




GreedyTop -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 2:06:54 PM)

guilty




theobserver -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 2:12:09 PM)

Are you F'ing for real?




camille65 -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 2:14:54 PM)

Sad, otherwise no judgment from me because I don't know the whole story. But any time that oral sex leads to drowning? That's sad..




agirl -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 2:15:32 PM)

As read..........Unfortunate. If I *pop my clogs* when M claps his hand over my mouth and nose it'd be very unfortunate and I'm sure he'd be clobbered. Tis a risky business.... One, being *I* might die ...the other being HE'D get crucified.

Shit really does happen sometimes...lol

agirl








kazzaslave -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 2:22:19 PM)

From the facts presented, it looks like a horrible accident, nothing more. We can't possibly know his intent, but as far as kazza can see there wasn't any. From the part of the coroner's report, cod was drowning but there isn't any forensic evidence that this was a violent death so it looks like just an accident.




Fitznicely -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 2:23:59 PM)

Misadventure. Same as the freediving expert who died of the bends. Poor fucking couple.




LadyPact -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 2:35:34 PM)

Partially re-posted from the local list.

I'm going with the straight forward approach.  He's guilty of manslaughter.  Here's why.

I don't know anything about the laws in Bermuda, but if they are similar to ours, her consent in the play really doesn't matter.  The fact that she went into the situation willingly or that they had done it before holds no consequence.  There was no intent to kill, so it's not murder, but manslaughter.

I'm sure I'm missing the joke in some way about this (except that maybe she was a blowfish) but that's my call.



PS.  I looked at this as relating to how a person thinks in where responsibility lies in play.  A hypothetical to see how people weigh in regarding a Top's position should something go wrong during a scene. 

PSS.  I wish I could re-post the joke that came through funny as hell from the local list, because it cracked Me up. 





DvilsDom -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 2:56:59 PM)

Lady Pact,  I have talked with her and have the permission to repost her remarks, so here it is from Our Local Group...My first thoughts were, not enough information here to judge. To many unanswered questions for me, how much life insurance did he have on her? Was there someone else he was seeing? What were their finances like?

But then there was one question that answered it for me. Did he have his penis still? If so then it had to be an accident because if some one had their penis in my mouth and decided to drown me, well that would be gone before I was.

With penis..... innocent, without penis..... guilty

Helen

that is her remarks, God love that woman, a Damn Good Submissive




GreedyTop -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 3:08:01 PM)

regardless of how SHE sees it.. the local government may very well see it differently




jamelia1959 -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 3:13:06 PM)

I would call it highly suspicious.




pompeii -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 5:39:02 PM)

I once was getting a very nice energetic forced blowjob from a restrained sub who had to actually bite me because she couldn't breathe momentarily due to the soft couch she was lying on as I was thrusting into her mouth.

It only took seconds for her to get the message across to me silently but extremely clearly.




DesFIP -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 5:43:40 PM)

I have to assume that due to his alcohol consumption he wasn't aware of how much struggling she was doing, and how long he really was holding her underwater. Involuntary manslaughter perhaps? He's certainly guilty but of what exact charge I couldn't tell since I am not a criminal justice professional.




DommeLoriinNY -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 5:45:26 PM)

innocent but we should all learn from this no matter how many times you do something be carefull




littlewonder -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 9:18:46 PM)

Sounds like negligent homicide




antipode -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 10:09:42 PM)

"not legally intoxicated" "he is several inches taller than she" - obvious setups, load of bull




Aileen1968 -> RE: Guilty Or Not (4/18/2009 11:58:50 PM)

That must have been one hell of a load of cum...




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