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Kink Friendly Therapy - 1/31/2006 5:39:22 PM

Chaingang

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I happened to be looking at the website of Gloria Brame today, and I noticed something about her credentials:
http://gloria-brame.com/therapy/#creds

She has no degree of any kind in either therapy, psychology, or psychiatry! Her degree in "sexology" doesn't impress me because sexology is the systematic study of human sexuality - which is still not any kind of education in actual therapy. Her Alma Mater - the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality - strikes me as at least a little under the radar too. Not knowing any better myself, that school seems to be one for "fake degrees" where the students couldn't rate or didn't want to attend more reputable institutions. I could be ALL wrong about this stuff, but why don't her credentials seem more to the point of therapy?

Now I know about this site for Kink Aware Professionals:
http://www.ncsfreedom.org/kap/psycho.htm

But most of the people listed don't seem to have degrees of the type I seek either. If someone wanted a properly credentialed therapist of some kind are they basically just shit out of luck? If I were seeking a counselor I would most likely seek at minimum a few degrees in psychology and very possibly a degree in psychiatry as well.

Does someone like Gloria Brame actually offer counseling that is substantively better than a conversation with one of my better educated friends? If so, how or why? I am not interested in her abilities as an author. I don't care that she is very bright or friendly. I just want to know why anyone should turn to her for counseling.

People should feel free to throw in with whatever opinions they may have with the general subject matter of the thread. I am not trying to pick on any one "professional" - I am just calling into question precisely what it is that they may offer.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 1/31/2006 5:46:33 PM

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My boy before his departure did find a counselor through KAP that was a certified social worker and getting their masters in psychology. I think like many they are careful of listing credentials on the net less some nilla look them up and out them as kink aware. I would think that your best bet would be to contact them directly and ask credentials rather than name names and assume that they don't have a nilla degree.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 1/31/2006 5:56:43 PM

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I don't know about all that you posted on this person. What I read, I wasn't impressed with it at all.

I would rather find my therapy on here.. among people who actually live the life... than those that only read on it... and think they are experts.

Now don't get me wrong... I don't use forum for therapy.. i just said I would rather get it here. Not that I do.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 1/31/2006 6:30:14 PM

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Which is why one of the counselling areas I specialise is BDSM and Gor as well as the Occult, PTSD, and Armed Incident Victimes.. All of which I have practical experience in along with a accredited accedemic qualifications. I'd rather word of mouth advertising through the associated groups. I'm also on 24 hr call out for suicide attempts both as a Psych/Counsellor/Therapist and as a Priest.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 1/31/2006 9:54:49 PM

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I prefer to stick with Dan Savage.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 8:59:34 AM

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I prefer to stick with Dan Savage.

I used to think his stuff was funny until the day I read one of his columns and he actually gave strange, and in my view unethical, advice to a woman that claimed to have very extreme fantasies about torturing men - and I mean really extreme fantasies. Savage's advice was that the woman should turn Pro Domina or something like that. I remember thinking to myself that the woman might actually be crazed and in need of psychiatric treatment, and that just leaping to the conclusion that she was Pro Domina material was utterly whacked. First, she may not be any kind of Domina - she might just be psycho. And then there is the secondary issues of whether she should be Pro status. It's weird advice. But so, so funny - er, right?

All of those newspaper advice types are of a kind - flip assholes who print what they think is entertaining and don't care if they are ruining people's lives in the meanwhile. Savage's educational background is in theater - and not counseling of any kind, go figure. Of course I agree that people taking advice from such "experts" should rethink their life strategies, so I don't know what to say to you Cloudboy except don't believe everything you read in a newspaper.

BTW, I assume you were actually being flip.

In turn, I was being intentionally perverse by taking your comment seriously.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 9:13:50 AM

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I think any good therapist will focus on helping you, not on focusing on your kink unless that is the issue you want to address.

A good therapist will also be willing to do some reading on the subject.

I have a great therapist and right now she's helping Fox and I sort through some issues that came up after this absolutely horrible nightmare I had. For her, this is a relationship first and foremost, not kink.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 9:31:22 AM

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Actually, I am Dan Savage, and I am offended by your remarks. Now, I'm going to block your pofile!

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 9:43:15 AM

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Well cloudboy, if you really are Dan Savage, and were offended by his remarks, and are going to react by blocking his profile, then I have to admit that I would be seriously disappointed....I had always assumed that the Dan Savage whose column I read & enjoy had skin thicker than rice paper

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 10:33:44 AM

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Does someone like Gloria Brame actually offer counseling that is substantively better than a conversation with one of my better educated friends....I just want to know why anyone should turn to her for counseling.

Have any of your better educated friends completed well-cited analytical research and scientific studies on sexuality and related subjects?

Do any of your better educated friends have a successful and often highly recommended counseling practice?

Perhaps some people turn to Gloria because she has been a pioneer in the field of human sexuality as it relates to alternative lifestyles and can apply this knowledge in a therapy setting. I might go to her because she has provided counseling to personal friends of mine and they have benefitted greatly from her support and advise.

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If someone wanted a properly credentialed therapist of some kind are they basically just shit out of luck? If I were seeking a counselor I would most likely seek at minimum a few degrees in psychology and very possibly a degree in psychiatry as well

A psychiatrist is different that a licensed counselor and usually offers different services.

One should know what they are seeking in a therapist/counselor/psychiarist/psychologist first. Perhaps the answer to that question will help decide what type of professional is needed. When I was living in Texas and seeking 'help' it took me two months to find a counselor I was comfortable with and could provide me some help.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 10:34:55 AM

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I just want to know why anyone should turn to her for counseling.

people turn to counselling and different counsellors for a variety of reasons--some for help with a sudden traumatic situation, for some it is the only person they are honest with in their lives, some to modify undesirable behavior and others show up for pharmeceuticals to dull their senses. this slave often wonders why anyone would turn to folks here on this message board for counselling~some of the posts here look like transcripts from a "thera-pay" session~then this slave remembers that all the counselling in the world isn't going to work unless one BELIEVES in their counselor. how many folks are duped by a doctors credentials? worse, how many folk think just consulting a therapist or counsellor is going to magically "cure" them, with no work on their part?

New Testament reports say Jesus couldn't work any miracles in His hometown--you think it had anything to do with the folk there remembering Him as the carpenter's kid, that picked His nose just like everyone else? He couldn't drum up the faith required---and any therapist or counsellor, degreed or otherwise, has to be trusted in a like manner, in order to perform the miracle of help.

the most effective therapy this slave has ever been a part of did not include a fee.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 10:37:26 AM

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this slave often wonders why anyone would turn to folks here on this message board for counselling~some of the posts here look like transcripts from a "thera-pay" session~

or Thera'Play?..<i>grin</i>

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 10:46:39 AM

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quote:

She has no degree of any kind in either therapy, psychology, or psychiatry! Her degree in

Chaingang, thanks for link. The old clichés, you learn something everyday and buyer beware come to mind. I was frankly surprised.

Does someone like Gloria Brame actually offer counseling that is substantively better than a conversation with one of my better educated friends? If so, how or why?

Substantively better I guess would depend on who had the more experience and education Although she does not have a degree in what I would have assumed, she is well eduacted and would appear to have a great deal of experince and insight from the research required to author the books as well as from her own experiences.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 10:52:38 AM

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http://alcovehypnotherapy.com/
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here, is ONE ..........lifestyle aware.........
Her name is Denise.
She is a domme...lifestyle...and is a therapist.
if you are in washington state

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 10:58:12 AM

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Yeah, Gloria Brame's degree is probably phony from an unaccredited institution. The institution is more than likely the name of something she started. However, she does write well and many of us have read her work with satisfaction. Many writers who deal in sexual advice or counseling often have flaky or unrelated degrees. That matters little if you like their published work, but as far as counseling, I would want the real deal. For me, if I ever feel the need for counseling, I'll seek a psychiatrist with a medical degree, although I am sure there are many competent psychologists who get good results.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 11:31:14 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

Does someone like Gloria Brame actually offer counseling that is substantively better than a conversation with one of my better educated friends? If so, how or why? I am not interested in her abilities as an author. I don't care that she is very bright or friendly. I just want to know why anyone should turn to her for counseling.

People should feel free to throw in with whatever opinions they may have with the general subject matter of the thread. I am not trying to pick on any one "professional" - I am just calling into question precisely what it is that they may offer.

I've never been to Gloria Brame for counseling nor do I know her at all so I have noooooo idea what the quality level is of her counseling. Based on her experience level and qualifications, I wouldn't pick her as a therapist. But then again based on the distance, I wouldn't pick her as a therapist. Not a big deal to me.

Just like with my choices for doctors, I would pick someone local who is highly rates and then simply be as open as I need to be about my choices. I'd rather pick a good doctor who is open to knowing about whatever is relevant (for my doctors its just the body modification - they don't need to know about my relationship), then pick someone who is kink aware or on the KAP list, but isn't that good. *

C~

* I'm not saying the doctors on the KAP list are bad doctors, just that I wouldn't personally use the KAP list as a starting point.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 11:44:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: Elegant
Have any of your better educated friends completed well-cited analytical research and scientific studies on sexuality and related subjects?

Yes, actually. One of my very close friends is a cultural anthropologist whose work focuses on alt lifestyle concerns.

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ORIGINAL: Elegant
One should know what they are seeking in a therapist/counselor/psychiarist/psychologist first.

I am not seeking counseling, the question was a generic one because I was surprised by the lady's credentials or lack thereof.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 12:09:50 PM

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Yeah, Gloria Brame's degree is probably phony from an unaccredited institution. The institution is more than likely the name of something she started.

Perhaps if you followed the links you would learn something...that the institution she received her degree from has known accredation and is not one of her ventures.

Research, not assumptions, make one more knoweldgable.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 12:14:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elegant
One should know what they are seeking in a therapist/counselor/psychiarist/psychologist first.

I am not seeking counseling, the question was a generic one because I was surprised by the lady's credentials or lack thereof.

And my comment was generic hence the use of the words 'One' and 'they' as opposed to 'You'. (Unless you refer to youself as 'the one'. grin

She has credentials, just not ones you and others deem sufficient. It's all a matter of choice.

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RE: Kink Friendly Therapy - 2/1/2006 12:42:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: Elegant

quote:

ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel

Yeah, Gloria Brame's degree is probably phony from an unaccredited institution. The institution is more than likely the name of something she started.

Perhaps if you followed the links you would learn something...that the institution she received her degree from has known accredation and is not one of her ventures.

Research, not assumptions, make one more knoweldgable.

Elegant, if you really think that The Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality is accredited by any association of colleges or graduate programs, you are the one making assumptions and in a big way. I know it isn't.

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