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Artinthedark -> violet wand and compatable wiring? (4/20/2009 11:33:01 PM)
Greetings one and all. Ok, straight to the point. I'm making a bondage table for a local club and I want to make it compatable with a violet wand. running wires from metal knobs on the side of the table to very small metal plates on the top of the table where the slave will be laying. My question is this... what guage wiring should I use between the two points? any thing too small and I might risk a small electrical fire, any thing too large and there'd be too much resistance cuasing no spark to get through. Any help on this subject would be extremely helpful. Thank you Amy

SirMIkeSD -> RE: violet wand and compatable wiring? (4/20/2009 11:35:09 PM)
Use 10 AWG, that is more then enough. Mike

Cage03 -> RE: violet wand and compatable wiring? (4/21/2009 12:01:14 AM)
Amy Just thought I would let you know: The larger the diameter of the wire the LESS the resistance. In other words the more electrickery will get through. Cage

atypicalsub -> RE: violet wand and compatable wiring? (4/21/2009 12:16:00 AM)
What size wire to use is determined by the amperage draw of the electrical device. That said, the wiring running inside the building walls to the outlet is most often 14 guage. So for any device that can be plugged into a standard outlet without blowing a fuse 14 is going to be fine.

Nyckname -> RE: violet wand and compatable wiring? (4/21/2009 1:16:26 AM)
The old theory was, at the frequency of the output of a violet wand, the current is running over the surface of the conductor, not through the center. Gauge isn't going to be important. Don't know if that's been changed in recent years. But the current will jump through thin insulators. (Ever notice it goes through the glass on the electrodes?) I like using shielded coax cable for things like this. You do realize that any metal fittings or fasteners that are within a couple of inches of where the body is tied are going to create discharge points? This includes anything under the upholstery.

bigbrokenmachine -> RE: violet wand and compatable wiring? (4/21/2009 6:22:40 AM)
10ga is definitely overkill. As Nyckname mentioned, the problem isn't conduction so much as insulation- you'll want to space the wires as far from each other as possible as they're run under the table. Wire size needs to be increased with amperage and distance, both of which are trivial in this case. There's really no such thing as having too large a wire, aside from cost and physical space concerns. However, I'm not really clear on what you're trying to accomplish with this. If you create a direct contact path from the wand to the person's body (touch the wand to the knob which is wired to a plate touching the body), you'll make the bottom conductive, and it's the person touching them who will feel the zap- much as if you were using a "body contact pad" attachment for the wand. Or are you planning to recess the metal plates into the table, so that there's an air gap between them and the bottom? High frequency/high voltage AC (like the Violet Wand) does wacky stuff... it doesn't always act the way you'd expect from working with regular (12/24VDC, 110-240VAC) electrical gear.

Scotty306134 -> RE: violet wand and compatable wiring? (4/21/2009 7:48:29 AM)
I have to agree with Brokenmachine.... by attaching the subject thru Your wireing and plate, You are setting up the opposite of the normal use of the body contact probe. The subject would be 'energised' and anyone touching him/her would receive a shock. Since a violet wand basicly makes static electricity, even small speaker wire would work. anyone getting close to the wire, metal plate or subject willl receive a shock. If You need to prevent getting shocked from the wire, You'd have to use metalic core spark plug wire. Scotty

Artinthedark -> RE: violet wand and compatable wiring? (4/22/2009 10:08:00 PM)
Thank you all for your quick and informative respnces. I belive I'll try finding some of that shielded wiring mentioned above...I really want this to be a pice of art, while still being a functional fetish toy. for those who dont understand the design I'll try to make it a little more clear below. Imagine a square frame made of plexi glass. about 6 feet tall by maybe 3 feet wide would kinda lok like this [] only a bit bigger...lol. now place a single sheet of plexi glass to cover one of those open ends, so that you have a 5 sided box, almost big enough to put a person inside. I'm going to fill the inside of that box with approximately 39 circuitboards (motherboards, sound cards, graphiocs cards, lots of them) as well as a rope light, for effect. now take a single sheet of plexiglass and use it to cover the open face. Making basicly a box full of circuits. On that last plexiglass sheet, drill some holes and attach little metal plates. run wire from those plates to similar plates on the outside of the frame itself. Now you can stand the whoel unit up against a wall. (I havent decided how yet but I plan to make 4 points to attach cuffs to this wall unit.) now a slave can stand in front of and be secured to this giant computer looking wall. if some one with a violet wand stands on the side and runs there violet wand up and down the side, the current would pass from the metal plates on the frame, to the metal plates on the front of the board, thereby shocking the slaves back (A previously unaccessable and presumably safe spot.) I was also considering installing a vacume cleaner motor on the inside of the box, and drilling extra holes in the front so that if a plastic sheet were placed over the front it could double as a vac bed of sorts....but I wanna try and keep it some what simple. So the whole unit would serve as a bondage area, electric play area, giant piece of art, and possibly a vacume space. I'm trying to make one unit do as much as possible, in as little space as possible. Becuase I knwo the majority of us dont have the room in our homes for 5 units that could potentially be one unit with a little creativity. Sorry for the long ass rambing. Amy

Scotty306134 -> RE: violet wand and compatable wiring? (4/23/2009 8:37:05 AM)
Wow!.. big change in thinking...I was thinking of the person lying flat on a table! First I think the 'shielded coax cable' isn't designed for the high voltage from a violet wand. I believe the 'charge' would arc to ground internally. The ignition systems on autos are designed to handle up to 50,000 volts thru the spark plug wires. Use only metallic core wires used in racing applications. They dont break down inside from repeated bending and handling. Second I believe there's a good possibility the charge from the back plates will arc thru the back plastic sheet to discharge into the circut boards sandwitched behind it unless it's a shorter distance to the skin of Your subject. Third ....if Your subject is already touching the back plate He/She would feel no shock at all, unless He/She were standing on a metal grounding plate covered by a thin plastic sheet. Then He/She would feel the shock thru their feet. Hope this helps, Scotty

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