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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 10:32:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

I agree, if they do n't know you, you can't expect them to know or understand anything about your dynamic, but when they know you or know you have a dynamic then it's rude not to pay heed to it.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub


Personally, we don't expect people to understand our dynamic when they don't know us and tend to be forgiving the first time. Once everything is sorted out and explained then we expect people to be respectful of our particular naunces.

As always, different strokes... different folks.


If I know them, I make every effort to be respectful (in the aforementioned case I happened to know that the slave prefered to be asked privately first). But since I usually don't know, I just have to go with what feels right either way. And sincerely apologizing for any mistake I make and hope that most people understand that no one is a mind reader and that my intentions were good. Of course, you know what they say about the road to hell...

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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 10:35:19 AM   
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He might have. Or he might not have.


Then maybe I expect more of My peers than you do! If I have unresolved issues with My girl regarding playing with others then I resolve them before being open to doing so.... and yes I EXPECT other Dominants to match that else whatever they call themself I would not regard them as a someone I respect as a fellow Dominant. If he doesn't take his responcibilitys toward his Owned property seriously why would he take any better care of a playpartner? Ergo not worth the risk of playing with.

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When I'm playing casually, I usually don't know the people well enough to know if they have a solid relationship or not. Most of the time they are people I meet, play with and may or may not encounter again depending on if we happen to show up to the same place at the same time again.


Very different standards over here. I know most of the respected club players Top/bottom/Dom/sub/Master/slave I usualy know 'something' about many of those I meet even for the first time if they have been on the scene for more than a few months.

Unless it is something as 'light' as a flogging session at a club which frankly I've never had a partner who would regard that any more seriously than if I'd had a game of tennis with them, then I don't play with someone unless I know something about them, certainly not privatly. Also I'm pretty well known over here and if they have been around a little they are likely to know something of Me also.

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I did ask the slave privately first. The dominant, who is a still a great friend of ours, understood why I did so and has no problems.


That worked for Him, however it didn't respect their Dynamic and for many that would be enough to elicit a no....

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Personally, we don't expect people to understand our dynamic when they don't know us and tend to be forgiving the first time. Once everything is sorted out and explained then we expect people to be respectful of our particular naunces.


I don't expect people to know wether I would be 'forgiving' of a  particular breach of protocol, but it isn't difficult to figure out that the big guy in black is the Dominant over the girl in the collar knelt at His feet and make any initial approaches appropriatly.


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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 10:36:33 AM   
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...Is there a protocal for asking a Dom with a collored submissive, that she would like to have a play session with him?...

 
this slave doesn't require being asked first...or at all, for that matter.
 
when she has been asked, she doesn't perceive it as inherently proper/improper, just someone in need of direction to the one who can answer their question...Master.
 
this slave is monogamous,  "a chick"...and there is emotional involvement within the M/s relationship she enjoys being a part of.

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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 10:46:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

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I'd ask the submissive, respectfully, if she would be opposed to the idea, first.



That wouldn't go down well with a lot of folks, Me included. I Own her NOT the other way around! Whilst I appreciate what you'd be trying to do, her feelings in the matter are My responsibility but I do not need her permission for what I choose to do!



Applause!
I concur.




Ummmm...... yeah.  I'm stopping right here.

The day that comes where someone has to ask clip if I can put a hurt on them for a couple of hours, I'm hanging it up.


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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 10:49:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

Then maybe I expect more of My peers than you do! If I have unresolved issues with My girl regarding playing with others then I resolve them before being open to doing so.... and yes I EXPECT other Dominants to match that else whatever they call themself I would not regard them as a someone I respect as a fellow Dominant. If he doesn't take his responcibilitys toward his Owned property seriously why would he take any better care of a playpartner? Ergo not worth the risk of playing with.


I don't regard people as my peers simply because they share an interest in BDSM or power dynamics, much the same as I don't regard people as my peers simply because they share my interest in the LoTR books. I do not expect someone I play with casually to take care of me either.

I play publicly and bring my own aftercare supplies - I'm there to get a physical need met, not serve. I only expect to be taken care of by someone I'm serving. It's nice to be taken care of but, honestly, I find that I don't want to cling to people I'm not involved with during aftercare. I'd rather crawl over to Valyraen, who's probably been watching with a wicked grin on his face or whatever friend came with me.
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When I'm playing casually, I usually don't know the people well enough to know if they have a solid relationship or not. Most of the time they are people I meet, play with and may or may not encounter again depending on if we happen to show up to the same place at the same time again.


Very different standards over here. I know most of the respected club players Top/bottom/Dom/sub/Master/slave I usualy know 'something' about many of those I meet even for the first time if they have been on the scene for more than a few months.

It's not a matter of standards but of preferences. I'm not interested in being close to all of the people I play with. I like a no-strings-attached scene.

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Unless it is something as 'light' as a flogging session at a club which frankly I've never had a partner who would regard that any more seriously than if I'd had a game of tennis with them, then I don't play with someone unless I know something about them, certainly not privatly. Also I'm pretty well known over here and if they have been around a little they are likely to know something of Me also.

Again, I don't play privately with these individuals - that would require greater trust and would be a polyarmous relationship most likely. My scenes are usually not what I would consider light as I adore the singletail and seem to take a good amount of pain but, as always, it's hard to judge light and heavy when talking to different people.
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I did ask the slave privately first. The dominant, who is a still a great friend of ours, understood why I did so and has no problems.


That worked for Him, however it didn't respect their Dynamic and for many that would be enough to elicit a no....

You are not him, therefore you don't get to decide if it respected their dynamic or not. Attempting to do so is  disrespectful to him and his relationship.
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Personally, we don't expect people to understand our dynamic when they don't know us and tend to be forgiving the first time. Once everything is sorted out and explained then we expect people to be respectful of our particular naunces.

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I don't expect people to know wether I would be 'forgiving' of a  particular breach of protocol, but it isn't difficult to figure out that the big guy in black is the Dominant over the girl in the collar knelt at His feet and make any initial approaches appropriatly.


As you can see, people do things differently. I can not know if the person in question believes, as you seem to, that all people must do things the same way otherwise they are disrespecting their own relationship or if they have another way of doing things which MUST be obeyed. For some, the submissive MUST be approached first or you have disrespected their relationships. I don't know your protocal but I can promise you that there are enough people who don't consider your protocal to be revelent to their relationship to make figuring it out guesswork.

For that matter, I don't consider it a breech - I never agreed to be part of your relationship and therefore was not informed of your particular rules. Only when I am made aware of them can I begin to respect them. I simply can not assume that your way is the way that everyone does things because, quite frankly, it isn't.

< Message edited by AquaticSub -- 4/22/2009 10:55:33 AM >


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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 10:55:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lyrica52

A new female unattached submissive in my BDSM group aked a question, Is there a protocal for asking a Dom with a collored submissive, that she would like to have a play session with him?

Well, you could try the old fashioned way. Simply ask him. He can only say yes, or he can say no.
Personally though, I want to know what his having a 'collared submissive' would have anything to do with it? 
(and yes, before anyone decides to explain it to me, I read the whole thread already.)

I'll be honest; if I was in a relationship, and some girl came up and asked if it was ok if MY owner played with her...I would have to laugh in her face and ask why the fuck she was asking me.

Oh well, different strokes I guess...

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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 10:58:14 AM   
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The thread is about the PROTOCOL of asking a Dom, just because YOU may have ignored it and got play anyhow doesn't mean that is the correct way to do so. As you can see from those Dominants who have posted (And some of the submissives) the general percieved protocol is that the Dominant is asked FIRST.

Some will react less to it not being done that way, others more but the answer to the OP's question is clear.


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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:00:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist
Oh well, different strokes I guess...


That sums it up.

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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:01:39 AM   
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Personally i'd just ask the Dom if he wanted to play sometime, respectfully of course. I really can't see what the big deal is? It's not like i'm asking him to fuck me all over or anything. Play is just play!!

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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:01:40 AM   
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Look here.  I'm not reading the whole thread because I find the concept ridiculous.

I play.

I play where I want, when I want, doing the activities that I want.

I know that I am a dying breed.

I'm good with that.

Should it come to pass that a lovely bottom come to Me, and ask for play, and it's something that I want to do.  Guess what?   Party on!


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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:03:27 AM   
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Should it come to pass that a lovely bottom come to Me, and ask for play, and it's something that I want to do.  Guess what?   Party on!

 
Asking now just in case i ever get to be where it is that you are at




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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:04:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

The thread is about the PROTOCOL of asking a Dom, just because YOU may have ignored it and got play anyhow doesn't mean that is the correct way to do so. As you can see from those Dominants who have posted (And some of the submissives) the general percieved protocol is that the Dominant is asked FIRST.

Some will react less to it not being done that way, others more but the answer to the OP's question is clear.



Thank you for highlighting my point - the general agreement. My point was simply that it varies from person to person and I don't expect people to be mind readers nor I appreciate someone expecting me to read their mind.

As I have already stated, I do not usually approach the sub/slave first (and in fact have only done it once) but that it is something that one may want to consider in the interests of making sure that everyone is comfortable.

There simply is no one correct way and it's better to know that and judge the situation individually rather than apply one method blindly.

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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:04:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Look here.  I'm not reading the whole thread because I find the concept ridiculous.

I play.

I play where I want, when I want, doing the activities that I want.

I know that I am a dying breed.

I'm good with that.

Should it come to pass that a lovely bottom come to Me, and ask for play, and it's something that I want to do.  Guess what?   Party on!


LOL nicely stated

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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:06:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


Should it come to pass that a lovely bottom come to Me, and ask for play, and it's something that I want to do.  Guess what?   Party on!



Can I just add that I adore you?

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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:08:13 AM   
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I thank you both.

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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:10:22 AM   
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A lot of um.. strong opinions on this thread, to me the answer is simple. Approach the dominant and ask him unless the two submissives are very close friends in which case it should be easy to guess which to approach.

But approaching one that I didn't personally know? I would ask the dominant. It is his choice to play or not. Then it is up to the dominant and his/her submissive's relationship whether or not he discusses it with her.

Hmm that last sentence feels really awkward but I think it kind of makes sense.

It isn't so much that I would be bypassing the submissive, but that since the dominant is in control that is who I would approach.


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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:11:02 AM   
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No problem. And I'll keep your preferences in mind the next time you come out my way.

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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:11:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


Should it come to pass that a lovely bottom come to Me, and ask for play, and it's something that I want to do.  Guess what?   Party on!



Can I just add that I adore you?


I still hope that there will be a time where I can adore you.


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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:30:11 AM   
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Where abouts exactly are You located LadyPact.......party on indeed!~

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RE: How to ask A Dom to play - 4/22/2009 11:32:21 AM   
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In my opinion, those who are willing to play with others should have discussed this in advance.  If a sub approached the Dom/me or sub to ask for casual play, that person should know whether to direct the person to politely inquire with the other party.  As for those in monogamous relationships that do not include playing with others, I don't think you should be offended by the inquiry, consider it a compliment.  However as you've already decided that there will be no play outside of the two of you, your partner should know how to politely decline and inform the sub that the two of you do not participate in that sort of thing.  At that point, the matter should be dropped by the sub who was asking.  If they don't respect the no, that is a different matter.

Personally, I am seeking a slave of my own, but have played with various subs in the interim.  And I will continue to do so once I find the one for me.  I would like to have a lifetime love who is my slave (which is different than some, yet same as others lol).  If someone, either Dom/me or sub desired to play with either me or my future slave, I would prefer to be the one asked, however if someone asked my partner, I'd expect my slave to inform them that they must ask me.

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