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anthrosub -> What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 9:22:04 AM)

It used to be you turned on the TV or radio, or read the paper and got a report of current events.  Sometimes there would be a follow up story to something that happened in the recent past that was significant.
 
Today you get reports of events as they happen but only as a headliner.  What follows (and what takes up about 98% of the media's time and energy) is analysis of each subject for days, sometimes weeks on end.  Right now the "big" story is the possibility of a swine fly outbreak.  It really hasn't happened but every news corporation is covering the "what ifs" 24/7.  One of those "what ifs" is if the president could get sick.
 
The other thing is how stories are repeated over and over again all day, every day, until the media has milked it for its last sensation producing dime.  Watch and see how a story can be covered like icing on a cake and then dropped like a hot stone when something even more attention grabbing pops on the scene.
 
Another question...why does Wolf Blitzer yell everything he says?  He reminds me of the pitchman for Oxy Clean (Billy Macy).  Maybe he should start doing infomercials.




Termyn8or -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 9:32:54 AM)

They are infomercials.

T




pahunkboy -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 9:44:03 AM)

It is a form of mind suggestion.   note how they even say, "are you suggesting ABC?".  

I dont watch TV.    It is an insult to my human-ness and intellect.




Aneirin -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 10:20:05 AM)

Could it be, that the media is actually guilty of creating much of the world fear, as there is a difference between reporting the facts and adding oppinions and favourite view points, which seems to be the way of things now.

The investigative journalism we seem to see on the news, could it even be by this analysis, the media are trying to create news.

And yes brainwashing or thought control, the media can steer minds to whatever way they think best.




Owner59 -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 10:26:20 AM)

It used to be that most news depts. lost money as a rule but networks still provided news as a service to the community.

Not being profit driven allowed for real freedom and expression.

Now,news has to turn a profit or else.

So now it`s tabloidy and shallow,driven by drama and controversy with little creativity.The sexy/scary/man bites dog stories are what get attention.It`s to get higher ratings and sell commercials.

In the years just before 9/11,many news outfits were shutting down their foreign offices,right at a time when we needed more and not less news/info about the world.

IMO ,most news outfits don`t do as good a job as in the past.




pahunkboy -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 10:33:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Could it be, that the media is actually guilty of creating much of the world fear, as there is a difference between reporting the facts and adding oppinions and favourite view points, which seems to be the way of things now.

The investigative journalism we seem to see on the news, could it even be by this analysis, the media are trying to create news.

And yes brainwashing or thought control, the media can steer minds to whatever way they think best.



Reporting is supposed to by who what where when-

not  un-named sources, inside officials, these experts they call in.  I mean who do YOU know that makes a living of off
analyzing it all?


Staffers, contributors, basically people off off the record is not news. Not factual-- it is innuendo- rumor.  hearsay.

The ONLY thing a corporation UNDERSTANDS is MONEY.  Vote with your money.  If everyone canceled cable en mass;  it would suddenly improve.

The azzhole dentist office now has a TV set for the dental chair!    Just how I dont want to relax while getting a root canal!  I actually am changing dentists due to it.





Vendaval -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 11:14:32 AM)

An axiom in journalism, "If it bleeds, it leads", combine that with 24 hour news channels + higher ratings bringing more advertising and you get these results.




Arpig -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 11:43:33 AM)

I watch the BBC World News...much better coverage, and it deals with things outside the US




Rule -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 11:46:48 AM)

Possibly they are covering up that nothing much is happening. If so, then news causers may be planning some big event, leaving them no time for their regular activities. So it may be the quiet before the storm.




Vendaval -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 12:49:46 PM)

Yes, the BBC is a much better news service than most, higher quality all the way around. 




pahunkboy -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 1:12:41 PM)

I thought the BBC makes available its stuff to ABC to run free of charge.

I cant recall the black haird dude that I heard it from.




gman992 -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 10:58:30 PM)

As a person who has some background in the news media--college reporter--it's all about ratings now, and whether or not, they can be the first one to reach you. And it really doesn't matter whether or not, they are correct.




ienigma777 -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/27/2009 11:02:57 PM)

Hello,
The news for years, about the time of reagan era, has been NOTHING but the No News, News. One comentator said thewre is no more news reporting, it is 'infotainment'...an infomercial, sells some product, for a half hour or so, ie, vegamatic. Infotainment is the babble of pretty news personalities; the beautiful latino, asian, just the right look, sexy but yet conservative; the handsome young guy, the atlethic black guy, and the wise old man guy. It is all info-tainment.

Notice during Bush we were under seige, or going to be from the terrorists, and Bin Laden, The ambushs in Bagdad, etc...24/7 constant....since the very day Mr. Obama took the oath....the very DAY...Iraq is...where; the taliban, al Quaida, all gone, no more terror, now we have a bunch of Somalian Jack Sparrows attacking ships...which piracy has been going on for generations...but now, it's news. No more Iraq.
I think there are only 5 major news outlets, responsible for what we get; if you want news you have to go to Europe for the news. Those 5 outlets are basically right wing fascist media.
They barely gave any notice to the economic meltdown, during the Bush/Iraq war stuff.....then just before Mr. Obama takes the helm...WALLA...Meltdown.

It's the 'NO NEWS NEWS' hour......




slaveboyforyou -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/28/2009 12:38:30 AM)

What you are describing is not new.  Sensationalistic journalism did not start 20 years ago.  It started with universal literacy in the Western world.  I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it is what it is.  A century and a half ago, most people couldn't read.  At that time, most people relied on the most educated member of their community (generally a school teacher, preacher, mayor, etc) to let them know what was going on outside their communities.  Inside their communities, gossip was the main news.  In the late 19th Century, universal literacy became a goal of all Western nations.  What did we get from that?  We got true crime, dime store novels, sensationlistic gossip columns in newspapers, etc. 

Believe it or not, these kinds of things were non-existant before universal literacy.  If you were a farmer in some po-dunk town in Kentucky in 1860, you weren't likely to know what the rest of the world is up to.  Your news came from back-fence gossip after Sunday services. 

In the latter part of the 19th Century, we had a drive to teach everyone to read.  I'm not saying that's a bad thing; it certainly isn't.  But it is a fact that most people aren't that smart.  Most people don't care about the world outside of their small social grouping.  Most people don't put a lot of thought into the world's problems.  They want sensationalism, gossip, and the like.  They want to be outraged, turned on, scared, etc.  Sex, violence, and fear sale like hotcakes.  It was true 100 years ago, and it's true today. 

One of the first examples of yellow journalism causing a major historical event is the Spanish-American War.  Mr. Hearst has a personal interest in the going-ons of Cuba.  He was outraged to learn of the treatment of Cubanos by the Spanish.  He wasn't wrong; the Spanish were extremely oppressive towards Cubans.  But it wasn't a major concern for us until Hearst started publishing stories about the conditions there.  The accident that occurred on the USS Maine was an oppotunity for Hearst to sway the largely literate people of the U.S. towards war.  If that had happened 50 years prior, we wouldn't have had a war. 

Fast forward 50 years with radio and television, and you got more people that normally wouldn't have cared about the world around them.  The news is now an entertainment medium, but it didn't just pop up recently.  It's been coming for over a century.  We live in a small world, and that fact is becoming obvious.  My words can be read by people all over the world.  I can IM with someone on the other side of the world in seconds.  It's a wonderful thing, but it does have negative implications. 




MrRodgers -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/28/2009 5:23:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

It is a form of mind suggestion.   note how they even say, "are you suggesting ABC?".  

I dont watch TV.    It is an insult to my human-ness and intellect.

The media as a whole is for distraction, to embitter and divide, dumb you and your kids down and the news from this media is hardly anything anybody can trust anymore.

I watch, history, science, auto (drags, stock, Indy and F1) racing C-Span and team sports...that's IT !! The rest is drivel or pablum.




MrRodgers -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/28/2009 5:32:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

One of the first examples of yellow journalism causing a major historical event is the Spanish-American War.  Mr. Hearst has a personal interest in the going-ons of Cuba.  He was outraged to learn of the treatment of Cubanos by the Spanish.  He wasn't wrong; the Spanish were extremely oppressive towards Cubans.  But it wasn't a major concern for us until Hearst started publishing stories about the conditions there.  The accident that occurred on the USS Maine was an oppotunity for Hearst to sway the largely literate people of the U.S. towards war.  If that had happened 50 years prior, we wouldn't have had a war. 

Fast forward 50 years with radio and television, and you got more people that normally wouldn't have cared about the world around them.  The news is now an entertainment medium, but it didn't just pop up recently.  It's been coming for over a century.  We live in a small world, and that fact is becoming obvious.  My words can be read by people all over the world.  I can IM with someone on the other side of the world in seconds.  It's a wonderful thing, but it does have negative implications. 

Very similar to an interview J P Morgan did for the NY Times on 1907. Morgan "There is a NY bank that may be insolvent'

Notice Morgan didn't say there IS a NY bank that IS insolvent because he flat didn't know any such thing and didn't care.

That statement was made specifically to cause a panic and a run on ALL NY banks which is exactly what happened and was the impetus through the use of media...to create the federal reserve, income tax and consolidate banking under the control of the fed. A major historical event.

The media now IS corporate America, will reflects its goals, for profit and a tool of the powerful.




Termyn8or -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/28/2009 7:37:55 AM)

fr

Dontcha love how they structure it as well ? Example : "Russia just used nuclear weapons on three countries, starting WW3, details at eleven. Up next after the break, where to get a nice haircut and the weatherman will be here with some adorable adoptables from the local animal shelter".  Doo doo doo,, doodoo, doo doo doo,, doodoo. Did someone actually get paid to write that "music" ?

And then some people pick on me for reading/quoting the AFP.

T




Irishknight -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/28/2009 8:42:44 AM)

There should be a fine from the FCC for "miscommunicating events."  If you want your news to turn a profit, you couldn't do that if you by incurring fines on every story.  Some news sources might fall by the side of the road but those that remained would be more accurate and less likely to make up a story.  Just a thought.




Termyn8or -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/28/2009 9:31:22 AM)

fr

From what I've heard there is some sort of citizen oversight panel in Britain that monitors the news sources, independent of government and industry. In fact in the past in the US when a TV station signed off for the night, before the national anthem there was an ad about an address viewers could write to at the FCC to voice objections to their content.

These days all I see as a valid solution is the power button.

T




Crush -> RE: What Happened to the News? (4/28/2009 1:44:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

It is a form of mind suggestion.   note how they even say, "are you suggesting ABC?".  

I dont watch TV.    It is an insult to my human-ness and intellect.



These are the stories you're looking for...you can go about your business....move along....




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