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RE: Word Fight - 2/17/2006 3:40:23 PM   
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it is a corruption of the word prell - to wash with shampoo,
and the word lustrate, which means to shine brightly.........

Therefore I take it to mean no dandruff???

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anthropomorphism - 2/17/2006 4:55:22 PM   
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anthropomorphism


That's a word naturalists and zoologiists frequently use in the context of 'assignment of thoughts and emotions to animals'.

Of course that raises questions when you see dogs and cats dressed in those stupid ugly-assed clothes.

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RE: Word Fight - 2/17/2006 5:00:03 PM   
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And a trivia questoin: Name an obscene 4 letter word that comes directly to us from Sanskrit. It shares its root with another language-related word.


The word is cunt from a Sanskrit word meaning 'wedge'. It shares the root with the word cuneiform.


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RE: Word Fight - 2/17/2006 5:03:08 PM   
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Alas, Petruchio.........

You inadvertently threw us off the trail. You said the word was OBSCENE...

Otherwise I am sure we all woulda got it.

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RE: Word Fight - 2/18/2006 2:31:09 AM   
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(laughing) I stand corrected, mnotter.

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RE: Word Fight - 2/18/2006 10:48:08 AM   
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new word:

"mucilage"

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RE: anthropomorphism - 2/18/2006 12:25:07 PM   
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That's a word naturalists and zoologiists frequently use in the context of 'assignment of thoughts and emotions to animals'.


Yep. It's the act of assigning any human characteristic to a nonhuman, specifically animal, entity. Aesop's Fables are always a good example.

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new word:

"mucilage"


It's a sticky gunk that comes from plants. Sometimes when you cut open a plant it has that sticky sap inside the stem and that's mucilage. Ok. I'm doing a bad job describing it, but I know what I'm talking about. LOL.

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RE: anthropomorphism - 2/18/2006 6:30:34 PM   
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matriculation


Going to or having graduated from college.

nw = ethmoidal

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RE: anthropomorphism - 2/18/2006 11:03:59 PM   
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mucilage


I didn't know WHERE it came from, so thank you, Naked. I do know that it was an amber colored glue used eons ago. The mucilage bottles had a rubber nipple-like tip.

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matriculation


I think matriculation is entering a school.

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ethmoidal


Wow, that's a good one. I'm trying to pick apart the pieces to figure out the meaning.

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RE: anthropomorphism - 2/19/2006 1:56:44 PM   
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I think matriculation is entering a school.


i think matriculation is finishing a degree in college or upper-level ed.

P.S. i was wrong; it means to enter school.

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RE: anthropomorphism - 2/19/2006 4:51:59 PM   
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ethmoidal


I finally had to look it up. I would never have guessed it; no wonder I have a poor sense of smell.

New words:
dinkum
esculent

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RE: anthropomorphism - 2/19/2006 11:43:56 PM   
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Wanna share? what's it mean?

(ethmoidal)

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RE: anthropomorphism - 2/20/2006 6:38:03 PM   
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Wanna share? what's it mean?

(ethmoidal)


nose bones :)

dinkum - I seem to recall this from Darby O'Gill and the Little People or maybe it was the Gnome Mobile.. as in fair dinkum .. hmm.. damn, I'm having a brain fart.. I'm thinking it means something that's real, but that doesn't quite seem right.

Esculent - savory? ::total guess::


edited to add new word - electronystagmography


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RE: anthropomorphism - 2/20/2006 7:06:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble


nose bones :)

dinkum - I seem to recall this from Darby O'Gill and the Little People or maybe it was the Gnome Mobile.. as in fair dinkum .. hmm.. damn, I'm having a brain fart.. I'm thinking it means something that's real, but that doesn't quite seem right.

Esculent - savory? ::total guess::


edited to add new word - electronystagmography



electronystagmography- study of the retina and cornea? in regards to some form of stigmatism? ok, yes, I guessed.

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RE: anthropomorphism - 2/20/2006 7:20:49 PM   
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Antidisestablishmentarianism


Opposition to the disestablishment of the Church of England.


::edited to add:: I'm not adding any new words because I'm still not sure about dinkum, esculent was just a guess on my part and electronystagmography was incorrect although it was an excellent try :)

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RE: anthropomorphism - 2/20/2006 11:32:40 PM   
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dinkum

Austrailian word meaning 'true' or 'genuine'. Oops, we could be in trouble if the proles on this board get a hold of this word!

esculent

It simply means edible. Would I get sued if I said McDonald's is not esculent?

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RE: Word Fight - 2/21/2006 12:44:16 PM   
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Well, that's debatable. The etymology of "cunt" is hotly disputed. It might be related to "cunny/coney," meaning "rabbit." (Of course, "cuneiform" is from Latin, not Sanskrit.) Edited to add: I also have to doubt that "cunt" came to us directly from Sanskrit. It's a very old English word--from a time long before I imagine anyone had contact with Sanskrit. Do you have a reference for this?

I thought we already did "esculent."

I guess no one got "perlustration." Here's a hint: it's related to "illustration."

Lam

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ORIGINAL: Petruchio

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And a trivia questoin: Name an obscene 4 letter word that comes directly to us from Sanskrit. It shares its root with another language-related word.


The word is cunt from a Sanskrit word meaning 'wedge'. It shares the root with the word cuneiform.



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RE: Word Fight - 2/21/2006 6:08:44 PM   
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The etymology of "cunt" is hotly disputed. It might be related to "cunny/coney," meaning "rabbit." (Of course, "cuneiform" is from Latin, not Sanskrit.) Edited to add: I also have to doubt that "cunt" came to us directly from Sanskrit. It's a very old English word--from a time long before I imagine anyone had contact with Sanskrit. Do you have a reference for this?


The OED, the same dictoionary I complained about earlier (grumble), but originally I came across it in a reference by historian Rachel Kemper.

Actually, India was very much a part of the ancient world, trading and battling ages before the Romans themselves came into being, back when humans on the British Isles were living a stone age existence and Jews and Arabs were wandering the desert. In fact, the Latin word itself for wedge comes from Sanskrit.

We popularly credit (or blame) the Arabs for our 10 digit number system, but even that dates back to Indian influence.

Much of our language and indeed many of our personal names come from words that date back to IndoAsian languages. Because the Indian subcontinent seems so different to us now, we find it hard to imagine that our language, number system, and telling time dates back to them millennia ago.

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I guess no one got "perlustration." Here's a hint: it's related to "illustration."


I'm at a loss, L&M. I tried looking it up in my computer dictionary, but couldn't find it. Hmm… I just the powerful yourdictionary.com and couldn't find it there either.

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RE: Word Fight - 2/21/2006 9:40:08 PM   
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Hmm, which edition of OED are you using? This is what the current edition says for the etymology of "cunt":

[ME. cunte, count(e), corresponding to ON. kunta (Norw., Sw. dial. kunta, Da. dial. kunte), OFris., MLG., MDu. kunte:Gmc. *kuntn wk. fem.; ulterior relations uncertain.]

Do you know of ANY other direct borrowing from Sanskrit dating back to the time of Middle English? I have to say, I think it's almost impossible--especially since, with a cognate form in Old Norse, this is obviously a good Germanic word.

Also, it's news to me that the Latin word "cuneus" comes from Sanskrit. Do you have a reference for that one too? I'd be very interested. The etymology is disputed, but there would have to be very good evidence to support a borrowing from Sanskrit. Related to Sanskrit and borrowed from Sanskrit are not the same thing.

Anyway, about perlustration: it's a broad survey of a place or landscape, and usually it refers to a drawing. So it's like an illustration, but of something vast.

Next word: psychopomp

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The etymology of "cunt" is hotly disputed. It might be related to "cunny/coney," meaning "rabbit." (Of course, "cuneiform" is from Latin, not Sanskrit.) Edited to add: I also have to doubt that "cunt" came to us directly from Sanskrit. It's a very old English word--from a time long before I imagine anyone had contact with Sanskrit. Do you have a reference for this?


The OED, the same dictoionary I complained about earlier (grumble), but originally I came across it in a reference by historian Rachel Kemper.

Actually, India was very much a part of the ancient world, trading and battling ages before the Romans themselves came into being, back when humans on the British Isles were living a stone age existence and Jews and Arabs were wandering the desert. In fact, the Latin word itself for wedge comes from Sanskrit.

We popularly credit (or blame) the Arabs for our 10 digit number system, but even that dates back to Indian influence.

Much of our language and indeed many of our personal names come from words that date back to IndoAsian languages. Because the Indian subcontinent seems so different to us now, we find it hard to imagine that our language, number system, and telling time dates back to them millennia ago.

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I guess no one got "perlustration." Here's a hint: it's related to "illustration."


I'm at a loss, L&M. I tried looking it up in my computer dictionary, but couldn't find it. Hmm… I just the powerful yourdictionary.com and couldn't find it there either.


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RE: Word Fight - 2/21/2006 11:37:40 PM   
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The OED sticks in my mind as it mentioned the earliest written use of the word which was the name of a street, something like 'Grope Cunt Street' from an era before the word was came to be seen as obscene. Chaucer's Wyf of Bathe also used the word (although with her middle English spelling which I don't recall but was very different).

This first came to my attention when Professor Kemper challenged us to figure out the word as I did earlier. A quick glance at computer dictionaries suggests origins of German and old Norse (as you suggested), Dutch, Danish, old French, Latin, Greek, and/or Egyptian. BTW, the word descends from Sanskrit (as most of our words descend), not taken 'directly', if anything implied that.

While a surprising portion of our vocabulary comes to us *through* German sources, many of those sources were considerably more ancient. Just as those in the British Isles came late to 'civilization', Germans were also considered savages until well after the birth of Christ. Fierce savages, enough to give the Roman legions fits, but still savages.

However, the area surrounding the Mediterranean had by then been 'cultured' and 'civilized' for ages, including that part we now call northern India. Their languages and culture were heavily influential on Western civilization long before Romulus and Remus nursed amongst the Seven Hills.

Check one of my favorite web sites:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=cunt
most of which I'll show here:

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"female intercrural foramen," or, as some 18c. writers refer to it, "the monosyllable," M.E. cunte "female genitalia," akin to O.N. kunta, from P.Gmc. *kunton, of uncertain origin. Some suggest a link with L. cuneus "wedge," others to PIE base *geu- "hollow place," still others to PIE *gwen-, root of queen and Gk. gyne "woman." The form is similar to L. cunnus "female pudenda," which is likewise of disputed origin, perhaps lit. "gash, slit," from PIE *sker- "to cut," or lit. "sheath," from PIE *kut-no-, from base *(s)keu- "to conceal, hide." First known reference in Eng. is said to be c.1230 Oxford or London street name Gropecuntlane, presumably a haunt of prostitutes. Avoided in public speech since 15c.; considered obscene since 17c. Du. cognate de kont means "a bottom, an arse." Du. also has attractive poetic slang ways of expressing this part, such as liefdesgrot, lit. "cave of love," and vleesroos "rose of flesh." Alternate form cunny is attested from c.1720 but is certainly much earlier and forced a change in the pronunciation of coney (q.v.), but it was good for a pun while coney was still the common word for "rabbit"


I don't recall what the P of PIE is (proto?), but IE is IndoEurasian or IndoEuropean, the key being the Indo- part. That is, part of India which would include the dozen or so extant (at that time) languages.

Note that etymonline suggests that cunny (genitals) was not the same word as coney (rabbit), although apparently the pronunciation was similar.

In any case, there certainly are sufficient difference of opinions!


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