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leadership527 -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/19/2010 9:32:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Miyani
I feel there must be a sense, in their minds, that they are being true to themselves, whatever form their self happens to take or grow into over time.
This statement seems true to me also. Given that I can and do tell Carol how to think and feel, this "loss of self" was a significant topic for us for a while. IN the end, my answer was to point out to Carol that her "self" and "being mine" need not be mutually exclusive. What if it was authentically "carol" to be whatever it was that I wanted?




laurell3 -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/19/2010 11:46:21 AM)

I'm a bit curious why would would see their lover as different than their dominant. The fantasy that being in a d/s relationship changes who and what you are is just that, fantasy. We're all still very much people, not roles. I believe this propensity to lose one's identity isn't an aspect of d/s, it's an aspect of being unhealthy and placing too much emphasis on a relationship or a partner.




behavingbadly -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/20/2010 1:50:11 AM)

that's not normal in my opinion he shouldn't feel like he's giving up his identity it should be so hardwired into him that it's just his personality. unless you ask him to do something specific he doesn't feel comfortable doing. if it's something that's not planned he'll prob do that if you ask him and have expectations it's like writing a script you have to follow instead of being yourself.




OttersSwim -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/20/2010 7:32:04 AM)

Being this way...submissive...is my identity.  I tend to work my way into someone's life and find ways to serve them.   I do it at work, I have done it in all past relationships.  If anything, actually discovering that "what I am" is a submissive personality has enhanced my identity.  I feel no loss of self in being the submissive, and adapting myself to Her life.  I was built for this.  [:)]




yellowroses -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/20/2010 11:35:34 AM)

The Man that I am with now and for the rest of my life does not need me to lose my identity for him to Dominant me. Nor does he need me to be weak just so he can feel strong. He and I have actually had very similar conversations about this. As a Dominant he has always been attracted to submissive women and some of them needed to lose themselves so that he could dominant them. So I know that there are those out there that feel differently then me.

kim




subwaythru -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/21/2010 5:11:29 AM)

(chuckling) I just don't get this one. How could I lose my sense of identity when I yam what I yam? I agree with subtlebutterfly --- it depends on how you view yourself, as a submissive.




leadership527 -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/21/2010 9:12:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3
I believe this propensity to lose one's identity isn't an aspect of d/s, it's an aspect of being unhealthy and placing too much emphasis on a relationship or a partner.
I think this is probably true for D/s relationships. For all I know it's true of most M/s ones too. But honestly, this was a real and pressing question between Carol and I. It's pretty easy to hang onto one's identity at the "do as your told" level. But when you start getting into the "think this way", "feel this way", and "see the world this way" sorts of things, then the question of "core identify" takes on a real and immediate significance.

Maybe put differently, I can and do rummage around twisting dials and turning knobs inside Carol's brain... the same place where her "identity" is kept. For us, it is not a question of being unhealthy although one might make solid arguments about whether what we do is dangerous and/or places too much emphasis on the relation vs. the self.




Jeffff -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/21/2010 9:18:23 AM)

I can't see myself telling someone to " think this way". At least I can't see making it a demand or part of a dynamic.

Acting a certain way, yes.

I like people who can take a position and defend it. I like that in a friend and for me it is even more important in a relationship.

It is possible I am correct and will indeed change the way she thinks. it is just as possible I am wrong.

Since I prefer to be right.:) I would rather be with someone who knows who she is and how she feels about things




KatyLied -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/21/2010 9:25:16 AM)

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I believe this propensity to lose one's identity isn't an aspect of d/s, it's an aspect of being unhealthy and placing too much emphasis on a relationship or a partner.


I agree with this.  Too much loss of yourself and you can slip into a dysfunction of co-dependence.  This would not be helpful to either partner.  Unless they thrive on this sort of thing.




domiguy -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/21/2010 9:45:23 AM)

Katylied will become KatyliedtoDomi. She will only speak in the third person unless her mouth is full of cock or pussy.




Jeffff -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/21/2010 9:52:26 AM)

It will take two drinks to get her to snack on the pussy.




KatyLied -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/21/2010 9:58:16 AM)

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It will take two drinks to get her to snack on the pussy.


Plus a bubble bath (or shower gel), just saying.




domiguy -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/21/2010 10:11:41 AM)

A pillow fight with Marie, might be a nice touch. We could substitute a foot long roller dog for a double headed dildo. Use some packets of relish as the lube.




SthrnCom4t -> RE: Submission = loss of identity? (8/21/2010 10:52:09 AM)

I came to power exchange from the s-side of the kneel. I can appreciate the dilemma of the OP's submissive. There can be real fear if you close yourself in a box of 'being exactly what He/She wants'.

In the past 14 years, I've evolved to realize that in fact, I am much more comfortable in the D-side of the kneel. Power exchange is just that, 'exchange,' so while we use terms like Top & bottom, you can also view it as a lateral dynamic. Part of being compatible relies on the Dominant wanting to control, as much as the submissive wants to submit. If there is a large discrepancy, it get's rocky.

As many have said before, the idea of a robot, is dissatisfying. The idea of being with an individual who thrives on enhancing my life is greatly appealing.

OP, perhaps some mental exercises are in order? Some people have not gotten to a place of self-awareness, and therefore, have a harder time figuring out what their own motivations are. If the person is willing, this can be most fun for all involved. Not knowing your submissive friend's background, I leave it to you if this would be helpful or hurtful.

As a submissive, I once participated in a scene that went like this.....

I was upright, hands bound, and blindfolded. My Dominant partner was loving and gentle with lots of touch. This created an open connection. Then slowly ramping up, He began some percussion type sensations on my chest, on my arms, on my back. A mild slap to the face, then a little harder. Not enough to illicit a defensive response, just enough to get my attention. Then He started the game of having me give him feedback via the alphabet. Starting with the letter A, something I liked about myself, and something I didn't like about myself. All the while, frequently, but not any particular rhythm, he would hit me. Not painfully, but enough to scramble my brain between the sensations and trying to think intelligently. When I was accurate (as opposed to just coming up with a word because it feel within the definition of beginning with the right letter), he would reward me with a kiss or stimulating caress. At the end he asked for 5 things I wanted to improve about myself and 5 things I liked about myself.

It was a very intense scenario that brought forth the tears.....and brought us very close together energetically. We did this in the corner of a dungeon play party, at a BDSM event in Chicago 10 years ago. It was also, on a soul-searching level, very stimulating to my personal development.

OP, finding out where your friend is coming from and his perspective, will help you guide him. (if he is willing to be guided)

A relationship dynamic is completely defined by the perspectives of those involved. The question of 'who is serving who', etc., can be manipulated by a bit of discussion, or certain semantics. If you feel he is worth it, you can figure out his motivations.This may mean teaching him to look within, analyze and share his discoveries.While his sense of worth/identity must come from within,  you can attempt to steer him to the realization of how it can be compatible in enhancing a common vision.

I like leadership527's example of carol's analogy: Ryker to Picard.

My perfect submissive partner and I fit together because I inspire him by providing an environment where he can thrive. In turn, his natural inclination to serve and make me happy influences My desire to 'feed' him even more. We are spiritually connected in our devotion to each other's happiness.

Find out what feeds his soul, and if it feeds you to create such a situation it's a win. If what you have to offer, is valuable to him, then you have the option of making it available, or not. (and vice versa)

Good luck.





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