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Apocalypso -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 5:57:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity We dig wells, we distribute food and medicine. We build schools and hospitals, soccer fields, canals and roads. What does the Taliban do? They stone girls for going to school, widows for venturing out to try to obtain needed supplies for their children. They destroy, poison and rule through threats, fear, violence and ignorance... With you. The Taliban are entirely organically created and are in no way a product of US foreign policy in the 1980's. And we have always been at war with Oceania.

Sanity -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 6:02:15 PM)
You think we're arguing whether or not the next of kin feel grief or anger? Of course equivalence has been the recent focus of discussion. You're just now noticing that? [:D] Or in context of the thread, we've been discussing the way a certain person in this thread has been trying to use a classic form of Newspeak to claim that Obama's fight against terrorism is morally equivalent to his being a terrorist himself... [;)] quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Again with this equivalence nonsence..

Sanity -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 6:09:41 PM)
The Taliban are heavily influenced by Islamic Fundamentalism, which has been around a lot longer than the United States. The United States helped Muslims in Afghanistan repel Soviet expansionism, sure - and there is no reason whatever to be ashamed of that. And what are we doing in Afghanistan now... we're spending fortunes there, trying to give the people there a hand up (which is good policy). The sooner the people there are educated and wealthy enough to join us in our current century the better for everyone. quote: ORIGINAL: Apocalypso With you. The Taliban are entirely organically created and are in no way a product of US foreign policy in the 1980's. And we have always been at war with Oceania.

slvemike4u -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 6:14:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Your little pet theory might work in a vacuum, mike - however, Al-qaeda is busy causing more death and mayhem on the ground wherever they are on purpose than we ever can through collateral damage while fighting them. Ask yourself - how would you like to try to survive under Taliban rule. You'd probably rejoice if the Americans hit them... I am sure that many of those who are killed or injured while witnessing our attacks on Al-qaeda operatives are near enough to those cruel bastards to know exactly why we're doing what we can to kill them. "killed or injured while witnessing our attacks".....talk about NewSpeak...Sanity if they are killed or injured they are not witnesses...thay are victims,whether intended or not.Victims not witnesses Sanity.....perhaps if you attatch the right label to a thing...it will be easier for you to understand it better These aren't heaven's most beautiful angels we're killing, mike. They're not cute, fuzzy little bunnies and kittens and puppies... they are Al-Qaeda. Al-qaeda is inspiring Muslims to fight against them wherever they are for the same reasons they inspired patriotic Americans to fight against them when some of them came over here... You do understand Sanity that it is rather apparent that not all the Muslims have been inspired to fight against Al-Qaeda.... Some have actually decided to fight for Al-Qaeda.......

Sanity -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 6:28:01 PM)
kitten might find an occasional article that is an exception, but I am confident that the majority of our attacks are against terrorist cells, and if innocents are hurt while we are attacking such militant groups then they are by definition bystanders, mike - even if they do get killed. But now here we are back to, 9/11 never occurred, and if we just leave those poor terrorists alone (who are victims of the United States after all) then everything will be good and well and fine. Kumbaya, lord, kumbaya. Terrorists are victims, killing them builds them up, and ignoring them makes them go away. Newspeak 101.

slvemike4u -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 6:36:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity kitten might find an occasional article that is an exception, but I am confident that the majority of our attacks are against terrorist cells, and if innocents are hurt while we are attacking such militant groups then they are by definition bystanders, mike - even if they do get killed. Back to NewSpeak with you Sanity...if innocents are hurt ...they are by definition victims not bystanders.......bystanders are those that witness(there's that word you tried to use previously)an event....not those that suffer from an event...such as a bomb falling on them. But now here we are back to, 9/11 never occurred, and if we just leave those poor terrorists alone (who are victims of the United States after all) then everything will be good and well and fine. There has been only one poster here who has consistantly claimed 9/11 didn't happen...care to guess his nick. Kumbaya, lord, kumbaya. Terrorists are victims, killing them builds them up, and ignoring them makes them go away. Terorrists as victims is of course the intent when dropping the bomb...I'm just saying at times innocents wind up being victims too...You seem to have an irrational need to deny that this happens....and when you do allow yourself to speak of it...you need to label these victims...as "bystanders" or "witnesses" That is NewSpeak Sanity. Newspeak 101.

kittinSol -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 6:38:43 PM)
Of course, it's so much more comfortable to ignore the casualties of conflict as if they didn't happen - as long as the civilian deads are foreigners, aye?

slvemike4u -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 6:45:37 PM)
Only a small ,though vocal,minority feels that way Kittin......

Sanity -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 6:48:42 PM)
Would the world be better off, kitten, if groups such as Al-qaeda etc. were allowed to do as they wished without interference from evil warmongering nations such as the United States and her allies? Would more innocents die if things were done your way, or fewer. quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Of course, it's so much more comfortable to ignore the casualties of conflict as if they didn't happen - as long as the civilian deads are foreigners, aye?

slvemike4u -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 6:52:14 PM)
Sanity all you deal in is absolutes.Surely you understand there are more options than the two you present?

Sanity -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 7:14:57 PM)
Sure, mike. We could... nuke Pakistan, and everyone else who looked at all suspicious. Then war would be peace, just as surely as war would be peace if only our enemies were at war with us. There are all kinds of shades of grey out there... quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Sanity all you deal in is absolutes.Surely you understand there are more options than the two you present?

slvemike4u -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 7:26:00 PM)
I guess rational discussion is too much to hope for here.....bye bye.

Sanity -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 7:40:44 PM)
Yeah, no... I don't get that fluffy nuance shit, sorry. The U.S. is something like the Taliban, the Taliban is something like freedom fighters... there is no good, there is no bad, imagine there's no countries... No. I don't get that at all. [X(]

slvemike4u -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 7:50:50 PM)
Its not just the"fluffy nuance shit " you don't get Sanity....It's nuance itself you seem to have trouble with.

kittinSol -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 7:54:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity imagine there's no countries... I don't know about no countries, but the disappearance of the nation state would be a wonderful thing.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 7:55:06 PM)
FR: I find it sad that both sides have valid points, yet continue to talk past each other. Can we try to acknowledge the other's point of view, without assuming bad intentions on either side? Even if we don't agree, we should be able to do that, shouldn't we? Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 7:56:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity imagine there's no countries... I don't know about no countries, but the disappearance of the nation state would be a wonderful thing. Why? Firm

kittinSol -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 7:58:52 PM)
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FirmhandKY -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 8:11:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol [8\|] Does this mean you do not know why you make such statements? Firm

Sanity -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/5/2009 8:15:34 PM)
I respect your opinion Firm, I still think you should pursue that moderator position... [:)] And, I'll admit that regrettably I sometimes have a lot of distractions here while I try to post. In the future I'll try harder to avoid getting into discussions I may not be able to devote my full attention to, but with that said, I know it's difficult to predict where any given thread might go. But I'll try. quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY FR: I find it sad that both sides have valid points, yet continue to talk past each other. Can we try to acknowledge the other's point of view, without assuming bad intentions on either side? Even if we don't agree, we should be able to do that, shouldn't we? Firm

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