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stella41b -> one possible theory (5/3/2009 12:44:47 PM)

Dommes are no different from other women when you actually stop and think about it, because they are women. Yes they do like the man to be submissive, but they want the submission on tap on their terms. There's also that need for companionship and to step up to the plate when need be.

Very few women are prepared to love a man who is 100% submissive. It would appear that no man is able to be 100% submissive without having other issues. Submission isn't all about sex and it's got nothing to do with weakness. My advice to male submissives would be to show more of who you are as a person, what you are successful at, the dommes will love you for it.

This is a possible theory borne out of observations. Maybe I need to get out more. Your views welcome.




Lockit -> RE: one possible theory (5/3/2009 12:50:54 PM)

Being submissive to me is far different than submissive in all things in life and to all people.  If a man cannot be strong in the outside world... be strong when I need him to be strong... according to my leadership, then what good will his kinky submission be to me if he fails to make the grade of life in general?




Venatrix -> RE: one possible theory (5/3/2009 12:54:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b

Yes they do like the man to be submissive, but they want the submission on tap on their terms.


Stella, have I ever told you how much I love you?




PeonForHer -> RE: one possible theory (5/3/2009 1:15:32 PM)

My advice to male submissives would be to show more of who you are as a person, what you are successful at . . .
 
My feeling exactly.




OttersSwim -> RE: one possible theory (5/3/2009 1:19:16 PM)

Nope Stella, I agree with you completely.  We need to be in the moment, what is required for that moment.   And it will vary.

I get pretty long stretches of time with my Lady and it can be really wonderful to get to that place where you -feel- totally submissive...but I am still myself and acting from what I think is a place of strength even in those moments.  :)




ShaktiSama -> RE: one possible theory (5/3/2009 1:34:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b
Very few women are prepared to love a man who is 100% submissive. It would appear that no man is able to be 100% submissive without having other issues.


Honestly, I think the core of any problems between potential partners is in defining these terms.

What does it mean to be "submissive", in general?  What does it mean to be "100% submissive"?

Does being "100% submissive" mean that you do not work outside the household or contribute economically, even to the extent of paying for your share of the rent, bills and food?  If so, you may find it hard to find a female dominant partner--not because a woman is incapable of enjoying the fantasy of keeping a sexy houseboy or a leather-clad gimp caged in the basement, but because very few women are economically capable of supporting an additional adult male in their households, along with themselves and whatever children they have, in addition to obligations they may have to elderly parents etc..

Female dominants are part of the economic demographics for our gender:  on the average women are subjected to greater rates of poverty than men and are paid 80 cents on the dollar relative to men.  Finding a woman who is completely free of economic concerns is very hard, and those that are independently wealthy or successful in a lucrative profession tend to be fairly selective about their boytoys--they can afford to be.

Does being "100% submissive" mean that you can't perform sexually as anything but a bottom, that you're incapable of vaginal intercourse or of providing your domme with any service other than bending over or being a post upon which to sharpen her claws?  If so, you may find it difficult to find a monogamous relationship with a domme, because we are also part of the demographic for heterosexual women:  most heterosexual women have physical and emotional needs for intercourse with men.  Women who don't have sex with their submissives are usually having sex with someone else.

Does being "100% submissive" mean that you have no original thoughts or opinions, no desires and fantasies, no hopes, dreams or ambitions, other than to find a woman who will tell you what to do and kick you around a bit?  If so, you may find it difficult to find a female dominant partner, because female dominants, like other other women, are usually looking for relationships with people, not puppets.  A bit of conversation and initiative is appreciated in a person that you spend a lot of time with; if you aren't going to get that from a man, you might as well get a large breed dog instead--they're easier to train and cheaper to feed.

I suppose the last question is:  does being "100% submissive" mean that you are a complete failure in the "game of life"?  No career or career plans, unable to hold down a job or drive a car, having no marketable skills, no social skills,  no education, no athletic or combat ability, no artistic ability, no sense of humor, no sense of beauty, etc.?  Are you attracted to the idea of submission to a woman because you are looking for someone to "fix you", to overhaul your body, your mind and your soul, to give your life direction, to make you "somebody"?

If so, this is a problem as well.  Sometimes I find it difficult to sort out the place where the kinky need for humiliation play ends, a genuine lack of self-esteem or more serious emotional problems begin.  All I can say is that even if a man needs to be told, in the course of D/S scenes and play, that he is a worthless pig-whore-slutpuppy-man-thing who has no purpose to his existence other than lick spunk off the kitchen floor?  That needs to be something other than the truth in real life.

Honestly, I think many men would meet with greater success if they were able to tell a woman:  "I am a successful person and I am quite good at my job and many things, really.  I just want to feel small and diminished, dominated and maybe even a little dehumanized occasionally...by a special woman in a special relationship."







Lashra -> RE: one possible theory (5/3/2009 2:04:04 PM)

I am Dominant and I have a lot of masculine qualities about me. My sub has the theory
that because of them it has helped to form my Dominant personality. Whether that is true or not, I do not know honestly.

I do know that finding someone who is 100% submissive (regardless of gender) is a difficult find and yes many (not all)of them have had some sort of life experience that has helped mold them that way.

Personally I like a strong submissive male....read that as saying "submissive to ME". I do not want someone who goes around being submissive to just anyone that he meets. I do not know many women or men who would want a sub/slave like that.

~Lashra




chamberqueen -> RE: one possible theory (5/3/2009 3:43:34 PM)

Stella, this is also true of female submissives.  No person is likely to act submissively around the clock.  There are times in the relationship that the submissive may be called on to show incredible strength, have to make decisions quickly with little to no input, and act more like they are in charge than as if they are following someone else's lead.  The situation that especially comes to my mind is of subs taking care of a dying Master.  It is the blending of those skills that make a person a delightful whole.




LadyConstanze -> RE: one possible theory (5/4/2009 5:22:28 PM)

Stella, you hit the nail on the head!

A guy being submissive all the time, I'd freak out! BDSM is only part of my life, not EVERYTHING, how could I have a discussion about anything if it would just want me to tell him what to think.

One of the worst experiences ever was with somebody who was always kneeling, I'm certainly not timid, if I want a guy to kneel he'll know it without me saying so, but somebody always dropping on his knees, it bugged the hell out of me. Not to mention that I have the habit of rushing around a bit, so after falling over him a few times because he knelt in my way, I told him to stop doing it, he started bowing, and you can possibly guess it, me rushing from my desk to the kitchen because I wanted to look into the fridge myself and see what I'd fancy, he bows, I can't stop in time and his head connected with my solar plexus. That guy was just too submissive, whenever you asked him something you got a "As you wish..." I gave up because it felt like dealing with a none too bright child, no intellectual stimulation, in the end I didn't even want to play with him because it soured everything. A little bit of "normality" can sometimes go a long way.




Vendaval -> RE: one possible theory (5/4/2009 5:26:31 PM)

You have a great insight into the dynamic, stella. 




AlexandraLynch -> RE: one possible theory (5/4/2009 8:37:13 PM)

I don't want a sub who is weak any more than I would want weakness in a horse I purchased. Part of his skillset IS his strength in harness or under saddle, but also his problem-solving and his intelligence and his personality.

The intoxicating thing about domination is feeling that power, that drive, leashed to your hand, and you don't get that without having a strong sub who is giving willing submission.




KoolnSassy -> RE: one possible theory (5/6/2009 2:42:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b

Dommes are no different from other women when you actually stop and think about it, because they are women. Yes they do like the man to be submissive, but they want the submission on tap on their terms. There's also that need for companionship and to step up to the plate when need be.

Very few women are prepared to love a man who is 100% submissive. It would appear that no man is able to be 100% submissive without having other issues. Submission isn't all about sex and it's got nothing to do with weakness. My advice to male submissives would be to show more of who you are as a person, what you are successful at, the dommes will love you for it.

This is a possible theory borne out of observations. Maybe I need to get out more. Your views welcome.


Oh I love this post. If a sub is not adding to My life, My joy, comfort and pleasure than what on earth do I need him for. I have enough responsibility in My life. I think oftentimes submission and bottoming are confused and Dominants are pursued to provide what the so-called sub wants. I try to sniff that out pronto.




Venatrix -> RE: one possible theory (5/6/2009 4:05:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KoolnSassy

I think oftentimes submission and bottoming are confused and Dominants are pursued to provide what the so-called sub wants. I try to sniff that out pronto.


Yep.  My experience has been that the vast majority of submissive men are deeply submissive only until they have to do something they don't really want to.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: one possible theory (5/6/2009 4:55:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Venatrix

quote:

ORIGINAL: KoolnSassy

I think oftentimes submission and bottoming are confused and Dominants are pursued to provide what the so-called sub wants. I try to sniff that out pronto.


Yep.  My experience has been that the vast majority of submissive men are deeply submissive only until they have to do something they don't really want to.


Are we meeting the same men, V?  [;)]




Venatrix -> RE: one possible theory (5/6/2009 5:11:24 PM)

I'm coming to the conclusion that there are only 15 submissive men on this site, but they have 520,763 profiles with different pictures.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: one possible theory (5/6/2009 5:19:51 PM)

Actually, they don't all have different pictures... last week I was amusing myself by writing to the guys with dom AND sub profiles with the same pic, and advising them to at least show SOME creativity!




PeonForHer -> RE: one possible theory (5/6/2009 5:43:21 PM)

quote:

A little bit of "normality" can sometimes go a long way.


Indeed.




Kaiel -> RE: one possible theory (5/6/2009 6:32:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra


Personally I like a strong submissive male....read that as saying "submissive to ME". I do not want someone who goes around being submissive to just anyone that he meets. I do not know many women or men who would want a sub/slave like that.

~Lashra



I totally agree! My sub/husband is very strong in the 'outside business" world, but he is submissive to Me and that is what I enjoy!




MsFlutter -> RE: one possible theory (5/6/2009 6:37:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

Being submissive to me is far different than submissive in all things in life and to all people.  If a man cannot be strong in the outside world... be strong when I need him to be strong... according to my leadership, then what good will his kinky submission be to me if he fails to make the grade of life in general?


what Lockit said !!
 
::this is a recording::




Drifa -> RE: one possible theory (5/7/2009 4:52:29 AM)

If I was not strong and thoughtful and opinionated, I think the value of my submission would be less for my Lady. In the overall dynamic we are partners, each with our own strengths and weaknesses.  The overall responsibility and final say are hers, but she values my input.

If I was a spineless pile of mush, there would be no submission.... doormats don't submit, they just lie there and wait to be walked on.




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