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Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 7:09:02 AM   
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Mi'Lady mentioned to me last night that she felt slave/subs get all the attention. I told her I dissagreed. If she felt I was getting more attention then her, then she was doing something wrong. Not the smartest comment I have ever made to her, but I felt it was true, I think.

She then put forth a thought, that most subs got more attention then their Mistress/Masters, because of the amount of time they spend at the end of the toys in the hands of their Mistress/Masters.

I still failed to see the truth in that. I think it's more along the lines of what the Mistress/Master asks of their slave/sub. If a Mistress/Master is willing to beat/whip her/his slave/sub for the slave/subs pleasure only, then yes. But if, as the dominant, you use these actions to teach, correct or punish, then proceed to request your slave/subs attention for your own pleasure/desires then, no.

So does her belief just emphasize her noviceness as a dominant or is it an endemic problem some dominants struggle with?

OR

Am I wrong?

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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 7:13:55 AM   
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I used to think that Doms/Masters get all of the attention, and have most of the fun. But I am beginning to see that this isn't always so. Nor should it be. Again, I will go back to what I consider my "theme" in any relationship, whether it be van or D/s. Two people, two sets of needs, two people should be working on it. There won't always be equal "attention", but over the long run, shouldn't it come close to being even? Just something to consider.

And also...how do you define "attention". It isn't always about toys and physical action. Much of it can be in the mental/emotional realm as well.

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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 7:28:26 AM   
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quote:

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Two people, two sets of needs, two people should be working on it. There won't always be equal "attention", but over the long run, shouldn't it come close to being even? Just something to consider.



I agree with KatyLied. If it feels like a competition for attention, then I think the relationship might need some tweaking. This goes beyond a D/s dynamic in my opinion and relates to the foundation of the relationship.

As far as using toys as a way to give attention, I use my toys because I get pleasure from using them. I have a sub who enjoys being at the receiving end of my desires, so it works out well. It's never been a case where I felt like it was a chore to do anything and that my sub was having all of the fun. I wouldn't be doing it if I didn't enjoy it.

Be well,
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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 7:55:59 AM   
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I agree with KatyLied. If it feels like a competition for attention, then I think the relationship might need some tweaking. This goes beyond a D/s dynamic in my opinion and relates to the foundation of the relationship.

As far as using toys as a way to give attention, I use my toys because I get pleasure from using them. I have a sub who enjoys being at the receiving end of my desires, so it works out well. It's never been a case where I felt like it was a chore to do anything and that my sub was having all of the fun. I wouldn't be doing it if I didn't enjoy it.

Be well,
Julie



Oh the relationship is strong enough to hang a truck off of. The comment was not made in anger or distress, it was just a passing remark in a discussion on the dynamics of D/s. We were both just curious about others perspectives on it.

Mi'Lady enjoys being at the giving end of a flogger, but was remarking on the amount of effert and time there. It was actualy said in jest, but raised our curiousity.

There is no compitition for attention in our relationship. I live to serve her. Although she is still just getting used to being worshipped in this way so to speak. We have moved slowly into the lifestyle, as to not make to many mistakes.

I think it's the preconceived "nilla" notions of recipricle sexual relations, that still play heavily in her mind. As much as she enjoys having me at her beck and call, she still feels the need to satisfy me, I keep reminding her that she does not have too. It is always at her discretion. Whether it be at the end of a flogger or me having an orgasm. It is strickly her choice.


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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 7:57:16 AM   
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A great majority of the scene equate submissive/bottom with "passive."

The sub is the one who gets molded, gets trained, gets beaten, gets taken. They sit in wait for their orders and then spring into action, or they lay in wait to get beaten and then...lay and get beaten.

Given this perspective, yes, it's generally the dom who is giving direct attention to the sub/bottom. However, there's nothing inherent in the Ds dynamic which states that submissive = passive, or that it is the sub who has to sit like a blob until told to do something. Most people just seem to take it like that, and it is why some people give bottoms and subs a bad rap as a spoiled princess.

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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 8:19:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bear372217355

Oh the relationship is strong enough to hang a truck off of. The comment was not made in anger or distress, it was just a passing remark in a discussion on the dynamics of D/s. We were both just curious about others perspectives on it.

Mi'Lady enjoys being at the giving end of a flogger, but was remarking on the amount of effert and time there. It was actualy said in jest, but raised our curiousity.

There is no compitition for attention in our relationship. I live to serve her. Although she is still just getting used to being worshipped in this way so to speak. We have moved slowly into the lifestyle, as to not make to many mistakes.

I think it's the preconceived "nilla" notions of recipricle sexual relations, that still play heavily in her mind. As much as she enjoys having me at her beck and call, she still feels the need to satisfy me, I keep reminding her that she does not have too. It is always at her discretion. Whether it be at the end of a flogger or me having an orgasm. It is strickly her choice.



I'm glad to hear that your relationship is a strong one, and I hope it continues to grow. I wanted to comment on what you said about "preconceived nilla notions of reciprocal sexual relations". I don't think that the idea of mutual sexual satisfaction has to disappear in a D/s relationship. I wouldn't be in a relationship with my sub if we both weren't satisfied in some way, including sexually. That does not mean that he will be allowed sexual release all of the time, or that I won't take what I want, when I want it, but he has shared that even though he doesn't get physical sexual satisfaction all of the time, he still is "satisfied" by knowing that he is enduring that "tension" for me.

It sounds like you both have taken care to nurture your D/s relationship, and I would encourage you to relax and enjoy it thouroughly, without putting any pressure on yourselves to conform to any particular style, other than your own.

Be well,
Julie

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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 9:22:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied
And also...how do you define "attention". It isn't always about toys and physical action. Much of it can be in the mental/emotional realm as well.


Absolutely. For me that is the most important side.

Is any one getting more or less attention than the other when the pair are simply curled up together, her head resting on his chest, watching a DVD? or are they just enjoying the closeness of each other. A relationship isn't just the action, it is the quieter times as well.

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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 9:38:34 AM   
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Mi'Lady mentioned to me last night that she felt slave/subs get all the attention. I told her I dissagreed. If she felt I was getting more attention then her, then she was doing something wrong. Not the smartest comment I have ever made to her, but I felt it was true, I think.
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alright. hang on here.
1st
explain the EXACT dynamics of said mentioned relationship.
in MY service only...She gets more "attention" because She and i do not share anything "together".
it is about HER..the house, vanilla hubby and 2 dogs.
while i am left alone, to tend to myself.
what are YOUR dynamics...do you just sit around on your butt and wait for playtime?
or do you DO things for Her?
isn't this supposed to be----------about give n take?
take care


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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 9:58:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: veronicaofML



alright. hang on here.
1st
explain the EXACT dynamics of said mentioned relationship.
in MY service only...She gets more "attention" because She and i do not share anything "together".
it is about HER..the house, vanilla hubby and 2 dogs.
while i am left alone, to tend to myself.
what are YOUR dynamics...do you just sit around on your butt and wait for playtime?
or do you DO things for Her?
isn't this supposed to be----------about give n take?
take care



Veronica..... i read almost all of your postings... and responses... and one to the next.. i don't know if you are proud to be who you are... or bitching about it. You confuse me. Guess it doesn't help that up till about 2 weeks ago.. i thought you were female too.... LOL

But I do agree with this post. It is give and take. BDSM really isn't all the much different from any other types of relationships. It's all about knowing each other, and growing together as time passes with each other. Learning about each other and growing from what you learn.

From what I've gathered veronica.. you are a server. Others like to be playtoys only. So i guess it's all about knowing yourself... and going from there.

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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 11:17:58 AM   
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From what I've gathered veronica.. you are a server. Others like to be playtoys only. So i guess it's all about knowing yourself... and going from there.
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no i do not bitch..i am not bragging

stating the facts, ma'am.
just stating the facts...
YOU,,, and all else judge the information i give and say if YOU feel i close to target for YOU or if we have to agree to disagree.
and yes
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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 11:30:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyJulieAnn
I'm glad to hear that your relationship is a strong one, and I hope it continues to grow. I wanted to comment on what you said about "preconceived nilla notions of reciprocal sexual relations". I don't think that the idea of mutual sexual satisfaction has to disappear in a D/s relationship. I wouldn't be in a relationship with my sub if we both weren't satisfied in some way, including sexually. That does not mean that he will be allowed sexual release all of the time, or that I won't take what I want, when I want it, but he has shared that even though he doesn't get physical sexual satisfaction all of the time, he still is "satisfied" by knowing that he is enduring that "tension" for me.

It sounds like you both have taken care to nurture your D/s relationship, and I would encourage you to relax and enjoy it thouroughly, without putting any pressure on yourselves to conform to any particular style, other than your own.

Be well,
Julie



I read a signature in here shortly after Mi'Lady allowed me to join. I forget the exact phrase, but it went something like this. To become a truly good submissive you have to forget what drew you to it in the first place. I forget for the life of me who's signature it was, but it struck me as so true. That is how I feel. It is not about me, it is all about Mi'Lady and how she feels. That is where I feel my satisfaction. In knowing that she is in complete control of me, that she recieves what she desires. I am but secondary to her. I love it when she is as happy and satisfied as I can make her.

We have developed a strong relationship with a community leader and we would not be where we are now if it were not for her. So we do put some credence into others opinions and or ideas. But in the end, after careful experimentation, we either adopt it or shelve it. We base the worth of the advice on how it pertains to or works for us. We love so much of what we have found out here, we could never conform to just one way of doing anything. We take little bits from here and there and make it our own. It just seems to feel better that way.

Thanks for your comments.

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ORIGINAL:veronicaofML
alright. hang on here.
1st
explain the EXACT dynamics of said mentioned relationship.
in MY service only...She gets more "attention" because She and i do not share anything "together".
it is about HER..the house, vanilla hubby and 2 dogs.
while i am left alone, to tend to myself.
what are YOUR dynamics...do you just sit around on your butt and wait for playtime?
or do you DO things for Her?
isn't this supposed to be----------about give n take?
take care


I may have read it in to you reply a little to much, but why so aggressive?

The dynamics or our relationship are, Mi'Lady and I were married 13 years ago. We had two children and did the dirty deed saturday nights. If we were able to stay up late enough to do it. Just over a year ago we began having some sexual and marital disfunction and neither of us were very happy. WE went looking for some cayenne pepper for our bedroom. and found this lifestyle. We read, we learned, we read some more, we talked to each other and members of the community. Now we not only scene weekly with one another, but our love life is as good as or better then when we were dating.

When we started down this funny little road, if someone stopped and asked me if I would become Mi'Lady's slave, I would have laughed until I wet myself. Dispite the fact that I have always worshipped her.

Now just over a year later, I am a registered, collared slave. Both Mi'Lady and I work for a BDSM web site and we continue to ask questions of each other and others. Primarily to learn about each and every facet of the lifestyle and stay open with each other. The first thing we learnt, was you can not stop learning.

As for your last question, if it can be called that, because it sounds more like a judgement. Is no, but, Mi'Lady would actually seem submissive to me, to the casual observer though. But that is because I am naturaly a dominant male, but subserviant to women in general(it would be easy for most women to get me to do what they wish, within limits that have been set out by Mi'Lady, lol). I own a business in an extremely "male" industy, Mi'Lady is the quintessential "Suzy homemaker" and looks after me and our boys quite lavishly. Almost to a gorean level(without the scant clothing and sexual content) For the most part, I do little more then the typical "manly" things around our home, and work to make her and my childrens life easier and better then the one I had as a kid.

I think the trade off there is fair and equal. My gift to her is my undying love and submission. Sexually she is free to explore her desires,(no we are not swingers and Mi'Lady has no desire to scene with other males sexually)Mi'Lady is bi sexual and like most men, this does not up set me, even though my participation is not always guaranteed or required.

Does that answer your questions?

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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 11:46:24 AM   
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quote:

slave/subs get all the attention.


absolutes and generalities about slave/subs are often false.

some folk are uncomfortable with or do not seek attention from others. some folk revel in relative anonymity and the anonymous or behind the scenes nature of their actions and lives. some folk have been the center of attention their whole lives, and frankly they are sick of it, so they do their best to blend into the woodwork unless some worthwhile cause could benefit from the attention they generate...

quote:

If a Mistress/Master is willing to beat/whip her/his slave/sub for the slave/subs pleasure only, then yes.


vague--seeing that one can't be beaten and whipped all the time, how is that focusing all the attention on the sub/slave by being willing to indulge his/her pleasure as the Mistress/Master sees fit? Occasionally, some Masters/Mistresses treat or reward a good and obedient sub/slave with something that is not necessarily pleasurable to the Master/Mistress. Or is that the ONLY interaction they have that is M/s..beating and whipping for the sub/slaves pleasure?

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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 2:45:02 PM   
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I think that a loving person, regardless of scene role, can find themselves giving more than they are getting.

I also think it is common for dominants, tops, mistresses, etc to not get the 'thank you' that can give us back energy. It may sound silly but yes, even a 'thank you' for letting me bring me a glass of water makes me feel wonderful and makes it more likely that I'll let you get me another one than just go get it myself.

See I can take good care of myself, I've always felt that I needed to be able to care for myself so that I'm never dependent on another person -- not safe based on my childhood experiences. For me allowing someone to do something for me then is really me taking the time to allow it to happen, its trusting that other person enough to let them serve me.

Yes, it can feel like that isn't appreciated and that can feel like I'm not being paid attention to some times.


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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 5:30:52 PM   
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I may have read it in to you reply a little to much, but why so aggressive?
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i became aggressive through the years,,,having to defend myself..not only from school bullies..but my ole man beating on me and school teachers thinking they were self made gods and laying THEIR hands on me..i have had it..up-to-here..for 42 yrs..so i GOT aggressive..running the streets as a kid, since i was not wanted or needed at home.
i was told to get the F out at 16 and i aint been back...and they are both dead now.

i am..as some have labeled me...a super aggressive alpha male.


if i bothered you by it..i am...AM sorry.
i got some on HERE giving me shit all the time too. i have-to-be aggressive to stay on my toes. "I" have NOT found 1 place in this world where "I" have been able to stop watching my back.
no where.............


take care


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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/4/2006 6:59:26 PM   
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mmmmmmm I don't think making absolutes in this case is of much value or constructive.

However, Who's getting all the attention anyways?

Well hopefully... THE ONE THAT NEEDS IT! at the moment!

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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/7/2006 3:28:21 PM   
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Guess, it depends on the sub. Many try and top from the bottom, control and manipulate a scene, and its a sticky wicket. Personally, I dont enjoy slaves that are too wimpy; but, someone who is sure of himself, confident, perhaps even macho in their vanilla life; but, willing to submit to all my whims, just cause he's turned on and wants to please me, thats enjoyable for me.

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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/7/2006 4:19:35 PM   
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A great majority of the scene equate submissive/bottom with "passive."

The sub is the one who gets molded, gets trained, gets beaten, gets taken. They sit in wait for their orders and then spring into action, or they lay in wait to get beaten and then...lay and get beaten.

Given this perspective, yes, it's generally the dom who is giving direct attention to the sub/bottom. However, there's nothing inherent in the Ds dynamic which states that submissive = passive, or that it is the sub who has to sit like a blob until told to do something. Most people just seem to take it like that, and it is why some people give bottoms and subs a bad rap as a spoiled princess.



i have seen/heard this perspective before. Perhaps there are submissives out there who are solely passive. i must confess i get a little bent (not a lot, just a little) when i hear people say "submissives just wait around/lay around on the receiving end....waiting to get orders...waiting to be flogged, etc." i am an active participant in my relationship with my Master. i have learned, and am still learning, his likes, loves, preferences, and try to find new ways to please him and fulfill him.

Re: this thread, i believe each tends to each other. Master is my focus and my purpose. He gets ALL of my attention. Even when i am busy at work, etc., he is always on my radar. He is always in my head. In turn, he has spent the last two years teaching, training, developing, molding me to his liking. i used to feel like this entire relationship was geared toward ME. That i was the sole focus of it because of the work he has put into me. But now i see the results coming to fruition. He invested in me, and now enjoys the return. He still invests in me, and the return becomes greater.

So...who gets the attention? We both do.

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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/7/2006 4:42:19 PM   
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If i felt the Domme was not getting anything out of beating me, then i doubt i would want to play with her.

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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/7/2006 7:30:41 PM   
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My belief has been that Tops (whether they call themselves Dom/me or Master/Mistress) enjoyed administering sensations and pain, creating an experience for their Bottom. I may be wrong, but I can't for the life of me figure out why someone would wish to Top if they did not receive pleasure from the act of Topping.

Personally, I have no interest in Topping, lessons and seminars are only interesting to me from the point of view of receiving! I watch the bottoms to see how they are reacting, and don't care about techniques the Tops are discussing. Master on the other hand, enjoys watching the Tops, and seeing how they do things, not really noticing the bottoms.

Anyway

If Tops are doing what gives them pleasure, while bottoms are doing what gives them pleasure, then everyone wins and gets the attention they need.

Outside of scenes and play, there are plenty of other ways for everyone to receive attention.

Sexually, W/we both want to please one another, and give plenty of time to ensuring the other's enjoyment, fulfillment, and satisfaction. i'm allowed to take initiative in pleasuring Him, and don't simply have to wait for His directions or commands.

In other areas of O/our lives W/we both also look out for the needs of one another. my joy and pleasure is to serve Him, while His joy and pleasure is taking care of me. W/we both get and give attention to one another as a part of everyday life, and because it's a way to put the love in O/our hearts into action.

After all, love is a verb!



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RE: Who's getting all the attention anyways? - 2/8/2006 2:02:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: veronicaofML


From what I've gathered veronica.. you are a server. Others like to be playtoys only. So i guess it's all about knowing yourself... and going from there.
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no i do not bitch..i am not bragging

stating the facts, ma'am.
just stating the facts...
YOU,,, and all else judge the information i give and say if YOU feel i close to target for YOU or if we have to agree to disagree.
and yes
"to thine ownself be true" medal of honor..u.s. gov't.




No, I think I was agreeing with you actually. I just said sometimes I can't tell.. that's all.



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