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StoneFox -> RE: What about me? (6/7/2009 11:21:47 PM)

I have to agree with what BoiJen had to say pages ago.




undergroundsea -> RE: What about me? (6/8/2009 6:35:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NeedAKinkyFriend
I'm not looking for anyone to "do me" in any particular way, and would like to find a life partner with whom I can have a genuine relationship AND serve HER needs in the bedroom. The hope is that her need to be sexually dominant would line up with my need to be sexually submissive, and the rest of the relationship would be open to negotiation.


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really marginalizes the genuine emotional depth I'm seeking. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not looking for purely recreational bdsm, or submission outside of a relationship. My submission, my need for someone to worship and serve, however linked to my sexuality it might be, is to me a special and beautiful expression of love and devotion. It's the deepest way I would like to express my love for my partner. This isn't "play" for me. I'm trying to find someone who understands, reciprocates, and approves.


Perhaps the difference in perspective about whether or not the OP is a bottom comes partially from semantics. To me, a bottom is someone who enjoys an activity for sake of sensation and not for sake of any power dynamics. Midori does a class on D/s archetypes in which she explains that there can be a dominant bottom. A dominant bottom would give instructions for how to be hit and the like and control the scenario to achieve the sensation sought. The significance of semantics, or at least comparing notes on what each means by a term, is that it leads to better communication and better understanding of compatibility. For instance, from Midori's class there also exist submissive tops. Dominant bottoms and submissive tops make for compatible pairings.

To me, anyone who has an interest in any transfer of authority (to whatever extent) enjoys submission. The degree of transfer of authority falls over a spectrum. Personality traits and an interest in submission are independent variables. One might encounter people who enjoy submission but have personality traits (selfish) that make them unattractive partners to that person.

I am not convinced we are all interpretting the OP in the same way. I wonder if some people are interpretting his words to mean as follows:

During sex he likes to be on bottom. He might perform oral sex on his partner. Maybe he'll beg to be tied up and spanked. When he's done he says he is hungry and is going to make himself a sandwich. He asks his partner if she would like a sandwich. Then, the instant he crosses the bedroom door, he says, wait a second, I am no longer in the bedroom, you go get your own sandwich.

;-)

I interpret bedroom submission to mean that D/s exists mostly across sexual and romantic expressions in a mostly egalitarian relationship, which I think is a fair form of a BDSM relationship. From what I sense through the OP's words, he would indeed go make that sandwich for his partner. From his words in boldface type above, I expect that acts of submission would blur with acts of love and that they would occur even outside the spatial confines of the bedroom. However, he sees his relationship to be a loving egalitarian companionship first (most of the time they would exist and appear, even when alone, as a romantic couple without any obvious difference in status and power), and BDSM as something that adds to this companionship.

There are other people into BDSM--women and men--who seek a similar relationship. It is not that they do not have an interest in BDSM. It is that they define their overall relationship in a manner that achieves a balance between different needs (BDSM, companionship) they have for a relationship. There are those for whom BDSM defines the structure of the relationship in a more elaborate manner. It is not a question of right or wrong, but one of compatibility.

For those who interpret his dynamic differently than I do, I invite you to elaborate how you see it to be.

Cheers,

Sea




lusciouslips19 -> RE: What about me? (6/8/2009 6:48:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

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ORIGINAL: NeedAKinkyFriend
Is it possible to be genuinely submissive, but only (or almost only) in a sexual way?


Not in my opinion.  What you're describing is just sex; if it has no meaning or relevance outside the bedroom, there is no real dominance or submission happening.  It's just two vanilla people having a little kinky sex.  Happens every day.  If you can't find that kind of thing out in the vanilla world, you're definitely not trying hard enough--every single woman and man who reads Cosmo, Maxim etc. should be thoroughly inculcated into this kind of superficial kink by now.

I would agree with those who recommend you try vanilla dating sites, vanilla sex sites, and Alt.com.  I think it's pretty strange to expect to fit in at a site called "COLLAR ME" if you don't ever want anyone to...y'know...collar you.



I am very suprised by the Domme females here  (who I respect) telling the Op to go away to a vanilla site! I mean really, arent we here to learn about ourselves? I have thought i was a bedroom sub, a 24/7 sub or just a bottom depending on where I am in my life. He has not had much experience and he hasnt had the opportunity to figure it out yet. I say, be here. Some of us will accept you. As far as the vanilla site. Yea right. Many women will be running from you if you suggest some kink. I may be accepting if I met you on a vanilla site but since I am bedroom sumissiveor bottom, I am not going to want to top you, so its best if you can go somewhere where you know whos bent which way.

But maybe the fet life site where you can say,"I;m a kinkster, A MAsochist, a bottom or a sub? Cause it doesnt seem your gonna catch a break here. But who knows. At least from the female submissives I have met here, I have learned it doesnt matter. I can be me and be accepted and there is someone out there who will aceept me for who I am and it will be a perfect fit and I dont have to worry about the labels.


edited to add: I wouldnt listen to anyone who is trying to tell you what "real" dominance or submission. No one can tell you whats real or whats just kink. Find your bliss and accept yourself and some here will root for you all the way.




PeonForHer -> RE: What about me? (6/8/2009 7:03:43 AM)

 . . . Cause it doesnt seem your gonna catch a break here.

I think he will.   Given the majority opinion on this thread, I think he's fine here.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: What about me? (6/8/2009 7:11:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

 . . . Cause it doesnt seem your gonna catch a break here.

I think he will.   Given the majority opinion on this thread, I think he's fine here.


You're right! I hadnt read the rest of the thread! I am glad he has!




undergroundsea -> RE: What about me? (6/8/2009 7:17:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
I think he will.   Given the majority opinion on this thread, I think he's fine here.


I think the advice about trying other sites isn't entirely without basis.

There are women on vanilla sites who have an interest or enough of a potential for interest in BDSM but give primary importance to finding a companion. Such a woman would be potentially compatible with him. The difficulty is how to find such a person in the mass of profiles there. The question of interpersonal compatibility still applies. So while the pool becomes larger, the process to go through the pool becomes more difficult.

I am fine with the suggestion to augment his search with those sites but would not suggest leaving CollarMe. I agree that he is fine here.

That said, his profile is no longer accessible, which is why I can only read into his words instead of asking him to clarify his words. I am unsure whether he has left collarme, whether he has the profile turned off, or whether he uses a different name on the personals side.

Cheers,

Sea




PeonForHer -> RE: What about me? (6/8/2009 9:49:04 AM)

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: undergroundsea
That said, his profile is no longer accessible, which is why I can only read into his words instead of asking him to clarify his words. I am unsure whether he has left collarme, whether he has the profile turned off, or whether he uses a different name on the personals side.
Sea


I hope he's not left CM.  That'd be a mistake and a great shame, in my opinion.




theRose4U -> RE: What about me? (6/8/2009 8:09:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

quote:

ORIGINAL: NeedAKinkyFriend
Is it possible to be genuinely submissive, but only (or almost only) in a sexual way?


Not in my opinion.  What you're describing is just sex; if it has no meaning or relevance outside the bedroom, there is no real dominance or submission happening.  It's just two vanilla people having a little kinky sex.  Happens every day.  If you can't find that kind of thing out in the vanilla world, you're definitely not trying hard enough--every single woman and man who reads Cosmo, Maxim etc. should be thoroughly inculcated into this kind of superficial kink by now.

I would agree with those who recommend you try vanilla dating sites, vanilla sex sites, and Alt.com.  I think it's pretty strange to expect to fit in at a site called "COLLAR ME" if you don't ever want anyone to...y'know...collar you.


I would say the above statement is pretty inaccurate...I'm in no rush to collar anyone yet lurk and found a previous pet here. The interesting part about WIITWD is different strokes for different folks. Just because your kink is A and mine B doesn't mean he won't find the C he's looking for here.

Politesub...if I'm reading you correctly you want someone that will demand (for lack of a better word) submission only in the bedroom and you will volunteer it in more concealed vanilla ways in public? This isn't unreasonable. Not "totally honest" like many would have you believe is "the right way of kink", but it works for some with greater restrictions on their public behavior.

Now that being said will it instantly make me or any other Domme rush to claim you...probably not. On the other hand getting out in your local community (at a munch for example) and showing people who you are and why you're worthy of their consideration you may have better luck than standing along the BDSM highway with a sign saying "will sub for bedroom and Dom in boardroom".




Politesub53 -> RE: What about me? (6/9/2009 12:50:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: theRose4U
Politesub...if I'm reading you correctly you want someone that will demand (for lack of a better word) submission only in the bedroom and you will volunteer it in more concealed vanilla ways in public? This isn't unreasonable. Not "totally honest" like many would have you believe is "the right way of kink", but it works for some with greater restrictions on their public behavior.

Now that being said will it instantly make me or any other Domme rush to claim you...probably not. On the other hand getting out in your local community (at a munch for example) and showing people who you are and why you're worthy of their consideration you may have better luck than standing along the BDSM highway with a sign saying "will sub for bedroom and Dom in boardroom".


Hi Ma`am. My earlier post was just pointing out some can be bedroom submissives, and still have love and respect for someone.

As for myself, I am submissive 24/7 be that in private or in public. That said i wouldnt be comfortable with being overtly submissive in public. This is more to do with shyness than anything else. I couldnt go around being "In your face" about my submission.

Ironically, the same reason stops me from going to munches on my own. I just wouldnt be comfortable.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: What about me? (6/9/2009 6:02:41 AM)

Go to a munch Politesub! You might actually meet someone to submit to!




PeonForHer -> RE: What about me? (6/9/2009 7:38:07 AM)

PS, isn't it possible to meet with someone here on CM, online, then go to a munch with him/her?




undergroundsea -> RE: What about me? (6/9/2009 9:00:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
PS, isn't it possible to meet with someone here on CM, online, then go to a munch with him/her?


Why are you using a postscript statement when you haven't written the main body yet?

Just kidding :p

Cheers,

Sea




PeonForHer -> RE: What about me? (6/9/2009 9:03:01 AM)

Funnily enough, that occurred to me just after I'd posted.  Greatly deranged minds think alike! ;-)




OttersSwim -> RE: What about me? (6/9/2009 9:46:06 AM)

I thought P.S. meant "Peon Says..."  [;)]




Politesub53 -> RE: What about me? (6/9/2009 10:43:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Go to a munch Politesub! You might actually meet someone to submit to!



Maybe I will do as you and Peon kindly suggest, or maybe Im waiting for someone with Luscious lips. [;)]




PeonForHer -> RE: What about me? (6/9/2009 10:52:41 AM)

PS, though I say it myself: my own lips are quite luscious after I've been swigging whisky and eating beetroot, if that's of any interest . . .




MistressDolly -> RE: What about me? (6/9/2009 11:02:16 AM)

Fast Reply:



quote:

ORIGINAL: NeedAKinkyFriend


"There aren't many vanilla women who would understand how beautiful humiliation can be, for example, or how much love can be expressed with a flogging or a face slapping, much less something like anal play, showers, CBT, etc. "



I view the activities you listed above: humiliation, face slapping, flogging, anal play, showers, CBT, etc. not as servitude to a woman, but rather, as kinky bedroom activities enjoyed between a woman and man. There certainly are many available female tops who would enjoy fulfilling these sorts of kink activities together with you. However, it seems your submission extends beyond merely bedroom top and bottom kink activities:

quote:

ORIGINAL: NeedAKinkyFriend

"I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not looking for purely recreational bdsm, or submission outside of a relationship. My submission, my need for someone to worship and serve, however linked to my sexuality it might be, is to me a special and beautiful expression of love and devotion."


:) Don't be discouraged - - if you are seeking to serve a dominant woman, in addition to having your needs of anal play, CBT, etc, met, it would helpful for you, in your search, to make that clear to her. If not, she may misinterpret you as only wanting Bedroom Play/Kink.

I wish you the best of luck!





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