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A bit of extra job training - 5/9/2009 10:02:46 AM

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       This is a rant. Yes, I know there are lots of caring, compassionate people in the health industry...

      New rule. Particularly to be applied to those who take the welfare-to-work path into the medical field. Anybody who wants to work in any sort of health facility, be it a hospital, clinic, or long-term care facility must be strapped down onto a hospital gurney for 36 hours, without food or water, and have something administered that causes agonizing pain for the duration of the training. Maybe a jellyfish toxin or something. They get to spend that time in a hallway, with people walking past who pay no attention to them whatsoever.

      FUCK!

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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/9/2009 10:10:35 AM

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I think there would be a reduction in applications.

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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/9/2009 10:12:17 AM

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I think there would be a reduction in applications.

That would be one of the goals...

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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/9/2009 10:14:34 AM

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The biggest cause of neglect is probably over worked staff caused by lack of personnel. From a logical stand point would there be any other reason for it?

I just can’t fathom those that want to spend their time surrounded by illness and death. Personally I can’t think of a more depressing job but then I suppose I’m not looking at the other possibilities such as knowing you’ve helped someone get their life back together after a terrible event.

I went to visit someone in hospital a couple of weeks back there was this nurse there who was really ordering people about, not that standard of healthcare I'd envisaged in my ignorance. I suppose so many arguments with so many patients had worn her down to that approach.

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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/9/2009 8:10:04 PM

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not that standard of healthcare I'd envisaged in my ignorance.

Sucks when reality doesn't measure up to the innocent delusions, doesn't it? My God, Rae, you just might wind up becoming a marvelous example of what Churchill said about youth and conservatism.

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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/9/2009 11:34:05 PM

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Healthcare is full of disillusionment... especially emergency care :( The only way we could fix that would be to make it illegal to seek emergency care, I think... that way the workers wouldn't get flooded, and then downtrodden by just how much pain there is in the world, not to forget all of the nasty people (or the people who get nasty when they're in pain of some sort) they have to deal with. (I'm not being serious, of course)

Everyone who wants to be a nurse, or a doctor, that I know wants to do it to help people. They want to do "good" (whatever that abstract concept is). Every nurse or doctor that I've ever met has been tired and hates their job (or is on the way) because of just how much sickness there is.

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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/10/2009 7:32:55 AM

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Shoot - i'm a nurse and have been for longer than i care to think!!!!! and although i get sick and tired (pun intended!) of the long hours - more overtime than i want, which is none - i don't treat my patients any the less caringly for that. It isn't their fault they are sick and on said stretcher. Especially in the States burn-out is probably the leading cause of nurses leaving the field - and my solution to that is more vacation.

Coming to the States from New Zealand where i had 6 weeks of vacation upon graduation was a shock - i started out at 2 weeks vacation , which bounded to 3 after 5 years, then monumental leap to 4 at 10 years. And they wonder why nurses get burnt out!!!! The hours suck, the pay isn't commiserate with the education levels demanded, and gripey doctors , patients and families make nurses wonder why not that nice little computer job, where no-one annoys you, and you get to go home when the clock says 8 hours worked.

And inspite of the above, i really do enjoy the job - but don't ask me on the day that i get to work 14 hours because the doctor over scheduled his surgeries!!!

And in any job you are going to get people who are going through the motions, or are just there for the money, or because they have to be. Just don't paint us all that way - and OP, I am sorry you had such a hard day.

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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/10/2009 7:35:34 AM

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OP, if you have the energy to cry and complain like this, you're obviously fine.

Get over yourself.

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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/10/2009 7:41:57 AM

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Isn't there a shortage of medical personnel in the US and so you have people out there overworked, and yet attempting to do the job of 3 people at times? I am not saying its an excuse but the issue is the expectations of people far outweight the incentives of the career and no matter how dedicated and loving of your job -- burn out and being taken advantage of under the guise of we have no one else to do it -- tends to be not given a damn about especially by people seeking medical help. While i agree people have a right to get upset at treatment they get, i also believe that people HAVE TO recognize the reality of the people CARING for them in such a situation. I really don't believe MOST medical professionals don't give a damn about their patients, but i do believe burn out is something that needs to be addressed and incentives and budgets need to allow for more personnel. People can only do so much -- unfortunately because of their being human, they get the brunt of when people are dissatisfied instead of the system as a whole.

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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/10/2009 8:42:56 AM

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OP, if you have the energy to cry and complain like this, you're obviously fine.

Get over yourself.

     Uh, Lynn? I'm not the one in the hospital. Other than being stressed out and pissed off, yes, I'm completely fine. Thanks for your words of support.

    Say, are you looking for a job where you can get the gov't to pay for your traing? The way we are doing things currently, you seem like a fine candidate as an LVN. Are you into little "bad boys" on probation? There would be lots of those working with you.



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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/10/2009 8:52:48 AM

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I'm already in nursing school. Don't patronize me cupcake, I work my ass off in school all day, and make my rent at night.

Yes, sometimes you have to wait a long ass time in the ER. It happens. They complain. This is why I have always preferred my patients happily comatose.

Lynn- NOT the warm fuzzy nurse.

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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/10/2009 9:09:02 AM

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Whoa, you really aren't the warm fuzzy nurse, Lynn!

I feel for your experience, Heretic, I have been there far too many times. My grandmother would still be with us, or at least have lived longer, if it were not for an emergency room mishap and the attitude of those in the medical profession that old folks are taking up space. (She was old, bound to die anyway, right?) That, and the following month, are way too far into the don't get me started zone. Jellyfish toxin does not *begin* to cover what I want to do to those people.

I think it's a spiffy idea that folks who go into the nursing and other medical professions want to help people, and I think many of them do. I think others could give a rat's patoot about their patients. I have great sympathy for the old, and those who are not English speakers, who are trapped in the system without someone to speak for them. All in all, though, I think the staff of most ER's and hospitals help more than they hurt. They have a crappy job, and in spite of the outrageous costs of health care, their materials are less, and there are more patients per staff member than ever before. There's just not much chance for hand holding.

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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/10/2009 7:49:52 PM

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     This is a rant. Yes, I know there are lots of caring, compassionate people in the health industry...

    New rule. Particularly to be applied to those who take the welfare-to-work path into the medical field. Anybody who wants to work in any sort of health facility, be it a hospital, clinic, or long-term care facility must be strapped down onto a hospital gurney for 36 hours, without food or water, and have something administered that causes agonizing pain for the duration of the training. Maybe a jellyfish toxin or something. They get to spend that time in a hallway, with people walking past who pay no attention to them whatsoever.

    FUCK!

What a terrible story, I feel sorry for your friend that had to suffer through this experience.
I don't think the situation is going to change much until we all rise up, and actually
demand and protest for extensive improvements in the quality of patient care.
I think we really need a "Quality health care reform" movement.

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RE: A bit of extra job training - 5/10/2009 8:06:31 PM

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Damn, dude. Hope you took names, notes and contacted a hospital administrator.

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