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RE: Insomnia... - 5/15/2009 11:22:07 PM   
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Has anyone had any real luck with insomnia cures?



Head on the pillow and I'm out pretty much straight away for a good 8 or 9 hours - not much help, I'm sure.

But, there was a programme on the other night about a well known celebrity here who is struggling with insomnia. They had experts and the like consulting on this programme, and one of the things they said is that people who struggle to sleep spend far too long in the bedroom trying to sleep and it exacerbates the situation. As part of the cure, they wouldn't let this celebrity in the bedroom outside of the hours of 2 and 8 in the morning. No idea if it worked on this bloke, but it was claimed that it has worked in the past.

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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 2:04:35 AM   
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Head on the pillow and I'm out pretty much straight away for a good 8 or 9 hours - not much help, I'm sure.

But, there was a programme on the other night about a well known celebrity here who is struggling with insomnia. They had experts and the like consulting on this programme, and one of the things they said is that people who struggle to sleep spend far too long in the bedroom trying to sleep and it exacerbates the situation. As part of the cure, they wouldn't let this celebrity in the bedroom outside of the hours of 2 and 8 in the morning. No idea if it worked on this bloke, but it was claimed that it has worked in the past.


Yep that would be part of a strategy to retrain the brain and body to associate the bedroom only with sleeping and is also why they suggest to not lay in bed tossing and turning but to get up and leave the room and do something else for a while.


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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 2:40:56 AM   
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I have one of those sofas with a lounge end in my library, and that is where I usually pass out from time to time. I know this sounds crazy, but when I lay in bed now, I still feel that someone is missing ever since the divorce. I've gone to therapy and such over it. Doesn't seem to stop my brain from reaching over for that ghost. When there is nothing there, I just get up and go back to work.

Oh, and I'm in no darn rush to replace the space with someone.

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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 3:20:17 AM   
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So. It's 3am. Methinks it's time to utilize some of the strategies posted on the boards here. Except, unfortunately, for beth's special herb-butter and other herbal delights. i get drug-tested at work.

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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 3:28:12 AM   
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Honey, it sounds silly, but have you tried sleeping with a large stuffed animal or a body pillow? At east next to one? That could help with the whole, empty space problem.

And your so awesomely Goth, you could like get a huge stuffed bunny and sew vampire fangs to his mouth....



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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 3:33:01 AM   
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Doesn't sound silly to me at all.  I'm still 33, and even with others in the bed, I damn well better have my stuffed snow leopard there, or I'm not sleeping at all.  Had that for about a year now, because I had to retire the teddy bear I had for 12 years.  Some people just need something to hold and wrap around, or they aren't comfortable, aren't laying right, twisting wrong, or just needing some sort of security as well.

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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 3:20:21 PM   
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I have one of those sofas with a lounge end in my library, and that is where I usually pass out from time to time. I know this sounds crazy, but when I lay in bed now, I still feel that someone is missing ever since the divorce. I've gone to therapy and such over it. Doesn't seem to stop my brain from reaching over for that ghost. When there is nothing there, I just get up and go back to work.

Oh, and I'm in no darn rush to replace the space with someone.


This is likely a big part of the problem.  Getting used to sleeping alone again can be very difficult for a lot of people.  Perhaps for the time being try sleeping on that lounge sofa for a while since you know you can fall asleep there.  Once you are sleeping better again, and the sting of that loss starts to fade, you might be able to work your way back into the bedroom.  Body pillows, etc. are a good suggestion.  When you are ready, it may be now, may be later, replace the bed.  Get a new one that doesn't have the memories of the time you spent with "her" in it.  In the meantime, any place that will allow you to fall asleep (as long as it isn't at work or behind the wheel of your car, lol) is a good place to try starting out.

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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 3:30:00 PM   
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I have recurring insomnia--generally related to something going on or coming up in my life.

Essentially, I just try to accept it and rest calmly, quiet my mind, and be patient. No sense making it worse, and eventually, I fall asleep and back into regular sleep patterns.

And no caffeine or sugar hours before bedtime!

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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 3:35:32 PM   
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I practice deep relaxation to get me off to sleep sometimes.

Getting into it though was really hard and took a lot of practice to get to a stage where I could totally relax and then fall asleep.

I was introduced to it by a tape by Alix Needham (www.alixneedham.com) on the front of a magazine and took it from there.

It is definitely a great way to de-stress at the end of a long day at work, even if you don't get to sleep.

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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 3:38:22 PM   
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Ambient Music for Sleep by Dr Jeffrey Thompson has made an incredible difference for me.
I've got clinical insomnia and take Ambien, Restoril & Tizanidine every night. Those got me to sleep but didn't keep me asleep, the music cd keeps me asleep. (Unless my freak of a cat is waking me up which happens every 90 minutes like clockwork. Grrr but I love her).


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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 3:47:10 PM   
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I have trouble getting to sleep alot of times and also staying asleep.  I have vivid dreams which wake me up often.  I sleep with about 7 pillows and a stuffed red dog named Rover than I "borrowed" from one of my kids. 

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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 3:52:37 PM   
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Dude.  I am familiar with the meds you mentioned. 

Dont take this the wrong way- but the meds are GARBAGE.    Make sure your air way is clear in the way the pillow lies.   A light snack before bed can be helpful.   A small serving of cereal.

Only sleep in the bedroom.  no other activity.

Flip the mattress and try to couch.

The meds BACKFIRE after 2 weeks. Then figure per haps 30 days for it all to leave the system.

Breath deeply and correctly.  Drink a ton of water.   (I am serious on water- dont worry about getting up)

Near the bed have a radio- you can tune the radio on abit before bed.

Avoid heavy excercise after say 4 pm. 

he meds back fire.  Some one I know in this very same room could pop 30 mg ambien and 10+ mg of valium and still not sleep.  I wont name names tho.  hiccup.  After getting out of that habit- the problem was more managable.




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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 3:55:35 PM   
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BTW- Trazadone,  is a med to look into.  It worked for me much better then ambien.

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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 4:03:14 PM   
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however, if you were to stumble upon this crazy past time might I suggest you have a closer look at mindfulness/mindful meditation.




Mindfulness has had more of an impact on my health than any drug or drug combination I've tried, and trust me.. I have tried a lot both legal and illegal.

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy........... the other CBT!!
It is good stuff dude (said with my best stoner accent).


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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 4:10:38 PM   
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quote:

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however, if you were to stumble upon this crazy past time might I suggest you have a closer look at mindfulness/mindful meditation.






Mindfulness has had more of an impact on my health than any drug or drug combination I've tried, and trust me.. I have tried a lot both legal and illegal.

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy........... the other CBT!!
It is good stuff dude (said with my best stoner accent).




Who knows- we might have bumped into each other at a wild party.  ;-0~


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RE: Insomnia... - 5/16/2009 11:58:14 PM   
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Look guys, whether or not a state has legalized it, it's still a federal crime.


indeed.  however, the current federal administration has instructed the DEA to go after folks who are breaking BOTH state AND federal laws, which has been a victory for the 13 states that have medicinal marijuana laws in place.

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WASHINGTON (March 18, 2009) — Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Wednesday outlined a shift in the enforcement of federal drug laws, saying the administration would effectively end the Bush administration’s frequent raids on distributors of medical marijuana.

Speaking with reporters, Mr. Holder provided few specifics but said the Justice Department’s enforcement policy would now be restricted to traffickers who falsely masqueraded as medical dispensaries and “use medical marijuana laws as a shield.”

In the Bush administration, federal agents raided medical marijuana distributors that violated federal statutes even if the dispensaries appeared to be complying with state laws. The raids produced a flood of complaints, particularly in California, which in 1996 became the first state to legalize marijuana sales to people with doctors’ prescriptions.
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the old federal administration was fully behind the DEA's prosecution of folks who were abiding by state laws.  the current federal attitude is change that medicinal marijuana patients can believe in.
 
in 2005, then Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi and current 3rd in line for the Office of The President remarked on the house floor:

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"I've been a long-standing advocate for allowing states to make medical marijuana available to patients under a doctor's recommendation to alleviate painful suffering. A doctor's prescription is needed for a substance that is not otherwise legal. Doctors write prescriptions every day for that purpose, and they should be able to do so if their states allow it, in the case of medical marijuana.

In my district of San Francisco, we have lost more than 20,000 people to AIDS over the last two decades, and I have seen firsthand the suffering that accompanies this dreadful disease. Medical marijuana alleviates some of the most debilitating symptoms of AIDS, including pain, wasting syndrome, and nausea. This is not confined to AIDS, but also cancer and other examples that our colleagues will point out. This is the compassionate way to go.

The previous speaker said he knows of no scientific or medical institution that has said anything positive about this, and I beg to differ.
This fact has been supported by science. In 1999, the Institute of Medicine issued a report that had been commissioned by the Office of National Drug Control Policy. The study found that medical marijuana 'would be advantageous' in the treatment of some diseases, and is 'potentially effective' in treating pain. Medical journals and other recent articles attest to the fact that active components in medical marijuana inhibit pain.
Other proven medicinal uses of marijuana include improving the quality of life for patients with cancer, multiple sclerosis, and other severe medical conditions.
That is why many medical associations support legal access to medical marijuana, again if the state allows it with a doctor's permission, including the American Academy of HIV Medicine, American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Nurses Association, the American Public Health Association, and the AIDS Action Council."


this slave completely understands your not wanting to be associated with something you have decided that the potential benefit outweighs whatever risk might be involved.  this slave hopes that you, or anyone else out there reading this post, understands that you live in one of those 13 states that have asserted their rights and have backing from the federal administration to do so (thanks to the regime change that recently took place).  so essentially, as long as you (or anyone else out there in those 13 states) are abiding by the laws created by your state to address the particular needs and values of it's citizens, then you are all good as far as using cannabis is concerned.
 
e.g. the California Highway Patrol has instructed it's officers and publicly stated that if transported properly, they will not confiscate cannabis nor cite folks, with valid recommendations from their MD, for having cannabis in their vehicle.
 
thank you for the apology.  if someone else out there can benefit from our intercourse on this thread then that would be a most beneficial outcome, and it is why this slave has included the extra information that she did...not in any way to try to change your mind, as this slave respects your decision.

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RE: Insomnia... - 5/17/2009 12:43:42 AM   
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i feel for you, believe me.  another night awake.  the idea of substituting a big stuffed animal or a body pillow actually might help more than you think.  or get a big dog to share the bed with.  i would aviod the drugs if at all possible, sort of a last resort thing.  if you can find other ways to fall asleep, great.  you've heard all these suggestions, and tried most of them i'm sure.  night time anxiety can be a big problem, i know i dealt with that for quite awhile, but when you can finally deal with the causes of that anxiety, i think things will be a little easier to find the physical things that make falling asleep easier along with your improved mental outlook.  panthercub always has his pillows to sleep with, whether i can sleep at night or not.  with or without me, he needs those pillows in order to sleep. 

a word of caution about ambien for those who have never tried it, it can and does cause odd behaviors, just like the commercials say.  i have a friend who woke up in his car down the road from his home in the dead of winter.  scared the hell out of himself and never took it again.
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RE: Insomnia... - 5/17/2009 2:59:51 AM   
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....More.

One should NOT mix meds to sleep.   Namely Ambient, a sedative hypnotic, and Valium, a sedative.    I know of a guy that did not wake up this way.  

Ambien can cause odd side effects.   I texted Jenny some bizarre stuff while on it.   I had no memory of it.   But it was in my phone yet.   I also found a box of cereal in the refridgerator.  lol.

I see you mentioned narcolepsy.    In the past - they used to perscribe an amphetamine for that.  So if this applies to you- it only exxasperates the situation.

On separation... when Bob left after 7 years- it was hard to be alone.  I mean like the apartment was always "our place".   When I loved there were no memories of him there.   And now that I live alone, I come to prefer it.

Then there are the other items that bed time can disrupt.   Like if you leave a vibrator/massager on and forget about it. If you frolic with more then 4 in the same bed.  If you dont have a good whipped cream holder.   If the springs need oiling.  If the headboard hit the wall and weekened the 2 by 4s.   If others use your bed when you are away.
If there is cum build up on the sheets.  If one is constantly kicking aside porn magazines.    If there are hemroids.   If the down starts coming out of the pillows.

Try not to entertain more then 2 lesbiens in bed at the same session.   And make sure there are seat belts and the view from the mirrors is unobstructed.

be sure to dispose of rags that were used to clean up the cum.

Close up an poppers.

The mattress could be worn out with all that wild activity that you put it thru. I mean of all the folks on casual banter, YOU are in the top 2% of bangers hard on a mattress.  
They just don't make matresses like they used to!

High heals in bed too can poke and damage the leather.  So mind the heals.


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RE: Insomnia... - 5/17/2009 5:30:01 AM   
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Interestingly since being injured and unable to work for the last 12 months, my insomnia is much less stressful for me now that I don't have to worry about work the next day...

I am a nurse who has worked shift work for the last 15 years, mostly evening shifts and night shifts, but with enough morning shifts to cause me deep distress when I couldn't fall asleep. The evening and nights had destroyed regular sleeping hours. I stay asleep once I fall asleep 98% of the time, but I am wide awake mentally until around 2-3 am, when you consider that I would finish at 11pm, that is not too bad, but every 3rd or 4th shift was a 7am start so it caused me regular distress, which in turn makes it harder to fall asleep, gaaahh the cycle...

When I have no place I have to be I can sleep up to 12 hours only waking to urinate and drink water.

Nowadays I still don't feel sleepy or I am cognitively alert ( and acutely aware of being too alert to sleep) until 2-3-4-5 am, of course drugs and pain now play a part in things. I don't use sleeping medication by choice as I found I did not get the restful (restorative) sleep that made the sleep worthwhile. The biggest part of the problem is now, not not enough sleep, but the fact that I am awake when everyone else is asleep and asleep  when everyone else awake and at work/dealing with kids/homes/doctors appointments occur and the shops are open etc. That has also affected my digestion and problems with not wanting to eat food....the list continues but I will spare you that.

I would love to return to a 'normal sleep and wake pattern' enjoyed by most of society.

I do practice good sleep hygiene which involves, dark, quiet, no tv/stereo, good quality cotton sheets and pure wool doona (quilt) and good pillows ( one cost me $ 289.00!!! but it is a NASA developed memory foam for the astronauts to prevent pressure sores from the G forces......at least that's what the salesman told me lol) and that all helps.

I really need suggestions on how to restore my bodyclock. I have tried making myself go to bed at regular earlier times and a few other things but would welcome more ideas.

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: I too found I sleep much better with someone in the bed, it took me a long time to enjoy sleeping on my own again, mostly for warmth and company, now an electric blanket has to suffice.(mmmm nothing like a hot hot bed )

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RE: Insomnia... - 5/17/2009 7:31:13 AM   
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Heck- another body in my bed?   N0000000!  I steel the covers and kick the creature out.

Feng shui is to be noted here.   It is to flow of energy in ones house.   Mirrors, and dolls are no nos for a bedroom.  Read up on feng shui a bit and it is posible some adjustments to the room could help.


To the nurse,    Get your light in early in the day then wind down.   Light effects your body.  They use it for depression. My place has a southern exposure, I take advantage of it.

I also do not have a clock in the bed room.  Nothing to look at.

I must confess that of late I fall back into sleep pills the past few weeks.   It is not a good habit.   I might add expensive. I could buy some pretty kick azz coffee for what a month of pills cost!

Being that I have injuries- I use 6 pillows.   One for the knees, one for the gut, 1 each side, and 1 for the head.

Do NOT have a board under the mattress.  It does not work.

Every house has energy level and flow...a personality.  I have a hard time at my current Chateau...it is big- I have 4 beds set up for 1 person. (me)   Winter I sleep upstairs.  Summer, on the first floor.
I also live on a busy street.   With a ball game loud speaker on the other side on some nights that they have game.

I encourage all to study the basics of feng shui.   Ok- my feng shui master says I have competing energy here.   2 stairways each aim the other direction.   The river, the highway.   Then the history of the house. It was inherited 2x, owned by at least 2 single people, at least one lesbien, and the one guy that inherited it- had been in a mental assylum for the crazy when he was left the house by his father.  I was only able to trace back to 1932.   Older records are not available to the public.  argh.

now if you do take a relax med.  Do so a few hours prior to sleep.  tHE BODY  needs a wind down period.

No TV,  but a radio that you can adjust from the bed.

I have used a noise machine.  I bought it at a garage sale.  Ebay has them.  It sounds like rain, ocean, summer night or white noise. 

A simple fan can mimmick the same.  Puppies sleep better with a wind up alarm clock.

OH_ NO phone ringers in the bedroom. Ideally no phone.  LOOSE as much electrical feilds as possible.   Cordless phones,  ANYTHING that plugs in.    all day we are bombarded by electrical current.   Be it- AM/FM/TV/even a phone cord leaks a minute amount of radiation.   When combined these fields can confuse the body and stop cells from re-charge.

I seen a peice where some claimed magnets help the body recharge.

I might add air quaity is important. I gal I knew who was 99 always cracked a window to sleep...even in the winter.   Indoor air is filthy.

If you smoke- quit.

One more thing about meds.   My best friend passed this month.   I then and currently believe in choice to one and meds.  I am certain he pushed the limit on self medicating.  The more he demanded his body to sleep or wake- the harder these drugs were to his system.  And one med then cause the craving for the next med.   He smoked like crazy.

Check the bedroom for mildew or mold.   Perfumes and scents need to go.   Wash sheets with non-scented soap.

....oh-  this might sound trivial- but where you place your shoes has some to do with the feng shui.    They should not be near your head = near a stairway. 

If it gets too bad- come to my place for a week. You can hear the highway 24-7, and a parrot scream now and then.   and who knows--  maybe the family that built this house- the spirits are lingering around, along with the great Indian Chief Shickellamy.   :-)   I wonder if he banged a squall where I now sit.   :-)

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