DavanKael
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I am a person who takes personal accountability and responsibility and it is wholly accurate to conclude that the extent of my replies in this thread centered around that: Personal Responsibility.
I'm going to ignore the nonsense which has nothing to do with the main disagreement, because I have no insecurities about my "IQ" or "credibility". Nor am I particularly interested in putting you "in your place". In this thread, I am more interested in putting your words and attitudes in context.
That's why I checked your profile, since you mention it: when you started ranting about your "tax dollars" being spent on obese people and their medical difficulties, I thought I should check and see if you were living in a country with nationalized health care. If you were, at least there might be SOME slim connection to reality in your "livid" frothing.
Given that you were probably born American and presently live in a country without nationalized health care, however, your remarks are not only vicious and hateful, but completely without any justification. It is far more likely that you are just another typical American bully wielding the truncheon of typical American "I am injured by those weaker than myself" rhetoric against a target which has no political or social power to defend itself. What a surprise.
You can retreat to the bastion of arguing "personal responsibility" if you like, but it does not change the ugly tone and dripping malice in your use of language. If you're scientifically and medically minded, how about you check these statistics: when trying to get others to accept personal responsibility and change their lives for the better, how effective is the strategy of treating them as if they are not worthwhile human beings?
Only persons have personal responsibility. Dehumanization and persecution do not make better, stronger humans, and words like yours do not encourage healthy, responsible self-maintenance. On the contrary, they encourage self-loathing, neurosis and self-destruction. You and others like you are an entropic force, not a positive force. That's the long and the short of it.
The question of my words being put into context has already been achieved: by me. I contextualized my distaste for victim playing when there is a choice. Most obese people have a choice in being that way.
I found humorous your conceptualizing my words as hateful then using words that could also be construed as hateful in your conceptualization of me.
Clearly, you re not as versed in the medical systems at work in the United States as you think. I worked in a venue that accepted medical assistance. As such, I educated myself on that particular state-funded option. In my state, one who is 100 lbs. or more overweight and on medical assistance can have gastric bypass surgery paid for by medical assistance (Which, if you're not familiar with the program, is state subsidized and, in part, taxpayer funded). That is only one example of a way that tax dollars are being spent for self-induced health issues.
Now, from a personal perspective, which is what I generally speak from when I am speaking on here (Unless I denote otherwise), this offends me. Greatly. Most obese people are that way because of their personal choices and I wholly disagree with money that, in part does come from my tax dollars, going to fund a procedure related most likely to a person's chosen lack of healthfulness.
From a professional perspective, I have actually had to deal with the state funding of that procedure head-on. Professionally, I looked at, first and foremost, the welfare of my client. I listened to what the client wanted, why, took that into consideration with health, diagnoses, medications, etc. It's a dangerous procedure (Upto a 3% mortality rate), you know, and not some 'magic nip and tuck' that so many people want: it often has substantial implications and a fair bit of the time doesn't actually acheive long-term weight loss because the behaviors that caused the obesity aren't necessarily changed (And, if you do the research, you'll see that lack of behavioral change is the major reason for weight re-gain after such a procedure). I sought the input of fellow professionals as well. You see, part of doing what I do ethically is to be able to put the client first and whatever personal thoughts I have need to either be tended to and placed elsewhere or if I thought I could not do what was best for my client in my professional estimation, I would have referred the case elsewhere. It's not about ego, it's about ethics and welfare of a person in one's care.
You mentioned statistics but did not cite any and, as such, I can't speak to what you may have been referencing there.
Again, I stand by anything I have said. That is my choice and my responsibility. You're entitled to draw whatever conclusions you wish. That's your choice and your responsibility.
Again, reiterating the same as I have throughout: the crux of the matter is personal responsibility (Not only about weight but about everything).
Davan
< Message edited by DavanKael -- 5/18/2009 4:13:43 PM >
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