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LadyPact -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/17/2009 8:37:09 AM)

Let's put it this way.  If I'm not emotionally invested in someone, I'll be sympathetic to their issues, but I'm not going to wait around on them.  If the emotional connection really exists, I'm more than happy to be there to support them, do what I can for them, and remind them that ownership is established in both good times and bad.

Having made both of these statements very clearly, which one is closer to the reality of your world?




breatheasone -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/17/2009 8:41:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

It's really quite simple....
 
In your time of need (family tragedy), he found someone else - the bottom line of actions speaking louder than words!
 
And are you really gonna sit on your butt pining for him while he's off to some rope convention with that same someone else???  Sounds very high school drama-ish....
 
You now have a choice - A), be an injured victim that no-one truly wants to be around or B), empower yourself and rid yourself of this vacuous flake permanently.  Either way hurts but option B) retains your self-esteem (or gets it back).
 
And welcome to the Forums.  :-)
 
Focus.

Damn SKIPPY!!




CalifChick -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/17/2009 9:03:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: recklessambition
okay so now all thats left to do is tell him.. wish me luck lol


Tell him what?  He never initiated contact while you were taking care of your mother, never called you... he's already gone.  I would put good money on a bet that if you just stopped contacting him, you would not hear from him again.

Cali 




abspecialgirl -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/17/2009 9:28:40 AM)

reckless,

as a "sort-of-newbie-but-not", you (we) are in a time and place in your (our) live(s) where you need to be extra careful. the transition from vanilla is a long, up & down roller-coaster ride, not a flick of the switch. you have been conditioned all your life to view relationships from a certain perspective (and with certain inherent needs); that understanding and those needs do not disappear overnight.

the newbie is eager to please, wanting to pass from the world of fantasy to reality; the unscrupulous will use that desire against you, to manipulate you into what they want you to be (as opposed to guiding you on a journey to discover what you *need* to be). in my (inexperienced) view, (from all that i have read), this is not a healthy Dom/sub dynamic.

in a healthy, mutual exchange, both are giving and receiving what they need: be it pleasure, trust, comfort, security, you name it. at this stage, it is imperative that you find someone who is on *the same page* as you -- not in terms of D/s, but in 'vanilla' terms. Someone who values your ideals of commitment and shared responsibility, reliability - damn, at the very least, someone who will simply be there for you in your time of need, not dump you to go 'play' elsewhere.

if someone makes you feel Less Than Special, in any way, then move on. That should be your standard. a relationship is still a relationship, regardless of the context, kink, etc. The basis of any solid relationship is trust. You have already lost that; it can not be won back. At best, you may spend the rest of your days wondering if you can truly trust him again. And to my mind, it will remain the one major obstacle to your submission, to *your* path.

The long and short of it is, the low-life you dealt with does not deserve the level of trust that you seek to impart upon a Dom. ...and there is nothing wrong with not wanting to share (lol), if that's how you feel, it's how you feel. Your feelings are *yours*, no one can tell you they're wrong, ever.

Learn from this, and move on. Somewhere out there is the One you are looking for, and He is looking for you. believe it (and make the possibility exist by putting that energy out there!). the time you spend "wondering" about that numb-skull, is time you could better spend elsewhere. Personally i don't feel you owe this dude a thing, not even an explanation; i think you would be entirely within your right to just 'disappear' (*if* that's what feels right to you). you are not collared or, for all intents and purposes, even "under consideration". all you've done is chat fer chrissakes, and the only solid thing here is YOUR EMOTIONS (not his!). If your moral code dictates that you should have a discussion with him, then follow that, but only when you are strong enough to stick to your guns... (Doms can be very convincing lol)

good luck,
-s.






DesFIP -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/17/2009 10:32:58 AM)

Do you want a poly relationship or a monogamous one? Has he bothered to introduce you to the new one? Do you feel by not mentioning her that he was lying?

Me? If someone couldn't care enough about me to wait while I buried one parent and had my hands full making sure I wouldn't lose the other, I wouldn't want him. Had it been The Man, he would have driven in to see me and helped me take my mom out to the doctor, rearranged furniture to make things more accessible if needed, etc.

Do you think based on his actions that if you were in an accident that he would be there for you or do you think he would abandon you again to play with someone else? Judge him by his actions not by what he says.




TEMPERANCE -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/17/2009 11:14:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

But wankers like the guy you described are pretty common.



anit that the truith.....

I think its safe to say he is having his cake and eating it.  Though to call him a wanker for that maybe a little harsh, we dont know how it ended, what the agreement was between them at that , how long she had been gone etc etc

It seems he had a new partner, and he's not going to give her up and if im honest I cant say I honestly blame him, and hey trust me im the first one in line to call a guy a wanker at any given chance.

If you cant put up with being in a poly kinda dynamic then for your own sanity you are going to have to walk away.  There is no point holding on to something that could have possibly been, when there is no chance of it getting back there again.... good luck 




Jeptha -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/17/2009 11:20:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

...i think you are being unreasonable in trying to make him into being a jerk. Unreasonable in what you want -- no, now you simply need to find someone who is in line with your desires as this guy doesn't seem to be anymore...
quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds

... why is it so bad, selfish and horrible for someone to not put their sexual desires and life on hold for 'the sake' of another? ...


The issue is that he was not open about it....

I would second DarkSteven's thought. The issue isn't that he did whatever he did; the issue to me was that he wasn't forthright about communicating what he was doing, or going to do.

NOW - there could be some consideration as follows: perhaps he didn't want to upset the OP at the time when she was most fragile, right after her Dad's death, Mom's problems.
Maybe he didn't want it to sound like he was giving some kind of ultimatum, or make taking care of the Mom any more difficult than it already was...

Now ~ I'm not saying those are good excuses, just throwing them out there as possibilities to ponder. They may not even be worth pondering, that's for the OP to decide.

I guess in either case, I would emphasize the part of barelynangel's post that I put in bold, above.




Lashra -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/17/2009 12:18:35 PM)

While you were off taking care of your Mom he was off playing with another sub, just in case he had to replace you. Now that you have things worked out with Mom you want to get back with him but he has this other girl so in his mind you have to accept her because you put him on the back burner for your family. Sounds pretty selfish of him to me. If he is the focal point of his life then you can expect him to repeat this behavior over and over again. He sounds self absorbed to me, I would suggest moving on as you will never find contentment with him unless you do not mind putting yourself, your family, your needs, wants and desires on the back burner for him.

~Lashra




felicean -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/17/2009 4:19:40 PM)

First of all, I am sorry for your loss. I know how you feel - having been there myself.
I would say I don't feel you are being unreasonable to answer your title question. We can all speculate what he should or shouldn't have done regarding that time period. I could only say as a sub myself, it seems it will really hurt you to know that he is with someone else - it would kill me too. You seem incredibly unhappy - is this what you want for yourself? It's horribly difficult to let go of someone you love - but you may no choice in it. It seems it is already decided as he has moved on. I'm sorry - I know this whole thing hurts. But you will heal and love again.  Be well.




dreamerdreaming -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/17/2009 6:04:51 PM)

He withdrew from you when you went to look after your mother. Why would you even want someone like this???

Tell me you don't.

I would have been right there to help in any way I could, if my slave's father died and he went to go attend to his mother's needs. I would be very concerned for his welfare and his mother's, as well as any siblings or children of his. I would be as attentive as possible, during this time- to include making time to spend with him and his mother, and other family. I would bring her things and do things for her, during this time. I would do my own special things to help her, as well as helping with my slave's efforts in any way possible.

This guy has just shown you that he's not LTR material. He missed a major opportunity with you. He failed the test for what is needed in a long-term partner, in multiple ways. He was not there for you phsically or emotionally, during a tough time for you. A dog would have been more attentive than he was, by far. And he bungled the chance to get to know your family, and help them in a time of need.

Again: why would you even want someone like this, for your partner?

Show him you don't.



He doesn't care about you. Don't listen, if he says he does. He already showed you by his actions, that he didn't give a shit about you.

And to top it all off, he wants to change the terms of your original relationship, to now include poly. He's in la-la land. Dump him. You'll feel much better, without this selfish jerk in your life.




recklessambition -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/17/2009 11:23:06 PM)

thankyou everyone for your opinions, sometimes its good to get outsiders points of view....I mainly asked cause I dont like hurting peoples feelings or being 'out of order'
but yea I cant deal with being unhappy..I'm a happy person 95% of the time..this goes against everything I am about..
but thanks...I'll buy you all a cyber beer haha




NihilusZero -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/18/2009 1:26:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Do you want a poly relationship or a monogamous one?

10 points.

This whole side topic about whether it's "reasonable" is irrelevant.

He now wants a poly situation. You (judging from your words) do not. That's it. Decide to enter into the situation when it's apparent there are stark differing wants at your own peril.




badlilthang -> RE: Am I being really unreasonable? (5/18/2009 4:18:42 AM)

First - so sorry for your loss - having lost my entire family - last was my brother who passed suddenly in 2006 - i know exactly what you are struggling with now.

However - i did not read the OP as she was leaving him for good - i understood it as her mom was needing her daughter, and she made the choice to put her family first. His reaction was to find another toy to play with - and my thought is - how long did it take him to find a new toy? Where was his support and guidance through her hard times of losing a parent and trying to keep the other parent from falling apart - at the same time - dealing with her own grief? What will happen - IF she goes back - and she gets sick, and needs him - will he just play with his other toy then - and find a third to replace the "broken" one?

On the other hand - IF you said it was over - and you were not sure you were coming back, not strange that he found a new girl...but if he found that girl like 15 minutes after you left for your family - i would seriously rethink going back...also that he did not bother to tell you until you wanted to come back, he saying he wanted that, too - and then spring the new girl on you....

You said he never mailed first - but replied to all of yours - here i wonder why he never once mentioned this new toy?

My instincts tells me to stop mailing him - see what happens...ask some questions also in your last mail - so that you leave the door open...

i had that happen when i lost my mother in 2002 - i was with a Dom at the time - just online, still - but his reaction was not the one of support - it was stomping his feet and whine because i did not have enough time for him...hello? Needless to say it ended...*s*...

Weigh the minues and the pluses here - write them down on a sheet of paper - and see which list will be the longer one - be honest with yourself and what you need in a relationship - and then see what he will/can offer...there will be rainy days - and sunshine - will he be there for both?

i wish you the best of luck in your decision - and again - so sorry for your loss...




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