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Pakistan security forces kill 1,000 + militants - 5/17/2009 11:40:12 AM

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The latest news available on the fighting within Pakistan between the government and the Taleban.

"Bloody urban battles could lie ahead in Pakistan"

By ASIF SHAHZAD, Associated Press Writer Asif Shahzad, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 35 mins ago "ISLAMABAD – Pakistani security forces fought Taliban militants on the outskirts of the main city in the northwest's Swat Valley and entered two other Taliban-held towns there, the army said Sunday, foreshadowing what could become bloody urban battles.

A top government official said the offensive near Afghanistan had already killed more than 1,000 Taliban fighters, while a group of pro-government religious leaders endorsed the operation but condemned U.S. missile strikes in the northwest.

The developments underscored Pakistan's resolve and frustration in its battle against militancy.

Washington has pressed Islamabad to crack down on al-Qaida and Taliban strongholds along the Afghan frontier, saying the militants threaten not only U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan but also nuclear-armed Pakistan's future. But many in Pakistan believe the militancy here has metastasized because of U.S. intervention in Afghanistan.

Recent Taliban forays into a district just 60 miles (100 kilometers) from the capital, Islamabad, seem to have swayed many Pakistanis to support the most recent military operation, but that could easily change if the toll on the hundreds of thousands of civilians displaced mounts, and if more U.S. missiles strikes stoke greater popular discontent.

In giving the 1,000-plus death toll Sunday, Interior Minister Rehman Malik said the operation in Swat and surrounding areas would "continue till the last Taliban are flushed out." It was not possible to independently verify the figure. The territories bombarded over the past three weeks are now too dangerous for journalists to freely visit."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090517/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan

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RE: Pakistan security forces kill 1,000 + militants - 5/17/2009 1:58:08 PM

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I wish we had another Admiral William "Bull" Halsey around these days.
"Kill al qeada, kill al qeada, kill more al qeada!"

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RE: Pakistan security forces kill 1,000 + militants - 5/17/2009 2:25:12 PM

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"ISLAMABAD – Pakistani security forces fought Taliban militants on the outskirts of the main city in the northwest's Swat Valley and entered two other Taliban-held towns there, the army said Sunday, foreshadowing what could become bloody urban battles.

A top government official said the offensive near Afghanistan had already killed more than 1,000 Taliban fighters, while a group of pro-government religious leaders endorsed the operation but condemned U.S. missile strikes in the northwest.

The developments underscored Pakistan's resolve and frustration in its battle against militancy.

Did you hear that?

Listen... hear it?

That noise... it sounded like the ante being raised.

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RE: Pakistan security forces kill 1,000 + militants - 5/17/2009 2:35:30 PM

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But that would be foreign involvement, and I thought you were against that?

I agree that these kind of organizations need to be rooted out, and destroyed, but within the confines of what the US has agree to.

This push by the Pakistan army could be undermined by the missle strikes by the US. The US does not want to give them the drone technology for the missle strikes, but they may be giving them drone technology for information gathering.

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RE: Pakistan security forces kill 1,000 + militants - 5/17/2009 3:42:26 PM

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This goes to what we were discussing on the other thread. From the link above:

U.S. officials say the missile strikes are a critical tool in killing top militants, but Pakistan has protested them, though many analysts believe the two countries have a secret deal allowing the attacks.

These strikes have been going on since September of last year. If the Pakistan government was serious about their protests they would have taken it to the United Nations by now. More likely there is an agreement and the protests are to give the weak government political cover.

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RE: Pakistan security forces kill 1,000 + militants - 5/18/2009 7:19:06 AM

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That theory makes a good deal of sense, rule.

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RE: Pakistan security forces kill 1,000 + militants - 5/18/2009 2:49:51 PM

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Kill all you like, they'll make more.

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RE: Pakistan security forces kill 1,000 + militants - 5/22/2009 6:02:16 AM

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I wish we had another Admiral William "Bull" Halsey around these days.
"Kill al qeada, kill al qeada, kill more al qeada!"

Halsey could easily point out his Japanese enemies but I seriously doubt he could point out Al-Quada...whoever they are.

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RE: Pakistan security forces kill 1,000 + militants - 5/22/2009 7:31:39 AM

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Kill them all and they will make more.. this is true. There will be more and that is the problem. We have forgotten that in war people die. If your enemy is willing to die to the last man then you need to be willing to kill every one of them. We are now in the era of a "kinder more gentle war". Call me a hawk or war monger if you want.. but if we are going to have our military over there then we need to play for keeps. We need to have another John J. Pershing and the stomach to allow him to do what needs to be done. Short of that ladies and gents imo it's time to come home and kady bar the door while the world falls to chaos.

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RE: Pakistan security forces kill 1,000 + militants - 5/23/2009 11:07:02 AM

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Kill them all and they will make more.. this is true. There will be more and that is the problem. We have forgotten that in war people die. If your enemy is willing to die to the last man then you need to be willing to kill every one of them. We are now in the era of a "kinder more gentle war". Call me a hawk or war monger if you want.. but if we are going to have our military over there then we need to play for keeps. We need to have another John J. Pershing and the stomach to allow him to do what needs to be done. Short of that ladies and gents imo it's time to come home and kady bar the door while the world falls to chaos.

Mez, well put.
The Japs fought to the death, the Marines had to burn them alive in their caves.
My father told me that his ship, the U.S.S. Renshaw would fire directly into caves loaded with Japs on the coast with all of their guns.
And after sinking barges one night with an estimated 900 soldiers on them they machine gunned any survivors who were on the water so that they couldn't swim in and kill our Marines.
War is about killing, not about "social work."
Or worrying if people in other countries "like us."

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