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MrRodgers -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 9:04:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Consider for a moment, who would enforce martial law? The US military. Do you really think US troops would go along with that?

This movie is paranoid fantasy.

Tell me why that since the Clinton admin.(1993)  the US govt. (FEMA) has built or rebuilt old industrial sites as prisons ? Something like 70-80% of FEMA's budget is spent on these sites. There are dozens if not hundreds of these sites that are up and running now, ready to take in 'dissidents' who believe in things like freedom of speech, freedom of assemblage...you know, little things like that.

You and others would be correct. It would take the military to cooperate in establishing martial law. It would however, start at the top and I wonder if our highest military officers would go along. I am afraid...they would. It might very well necessitate the gasing of thousands just as did you know where.

Oh yes, BTW, the video(s) is right on the money and depends on popular ignorance, fear and embittered partisanship, much of that reflected right here.




DomKen -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 10:43:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Consider for a moment, who would enforce martial law? The US military. Do you really think US troops would go along with that?

This movie is paranoid fantasy.

Tell me why that since the Clinton admin.(1993)  the US govt. (FEMA) has built or rebuilt old industrial sites as prisons ? Something like 70-80% of FEMA's budget is spent on these sites. There are dozens if not hundreds of these sites that are up and running now, ready to take in 'dissidents' who believe in things like freedom of speech, freedom of assemblage...you know, little things like that.

You and others would be correct. It would take the military to cooperate in establishing martial law. It would however, start at the top and I wonder if our highest military officers would go along. I am afraid...they would. It might very well necessitate the gasing of thousands just as did you know where.

Oh yes, BTW, the video(s) is right on the money and depends on popular ignorance, fear and embittered partisanship, much of that reflected right here.


More made up crap. FEMA's budget is open to inspection. There aren't any abandoned factory prisons. Even Glenn Beck, who will believe most anything doesn't buy this garbage. One of the supposed camps shown on the videos on youtube is an Amtrak maintenance facility.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513024,00.html

Even if the generals went along with it that doesn't mean the colonels and majors and First Sergeants and CPO's and all the other enlisted and officers needed would. One of the great things about an integrated federal armed forces is every unit is made up of people from all over. In any given company the odds are good that at least one guy is from every state and the odds are pretty good that someone in every battalion is from somewhere within 50 miles of so of most spots inside the borders.




Thunderbird56 -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 11:14:15 AM)

DK: "I'm a veteran and there is no way US troops would follow the sorts of orders these folks claim are about to be issued en masse"

Congratulations. I have the deepest respect for the jobs our veterans have done and our troops are doing. That doesn't mean that I agree with the jobs they are always told to do. But just because you are a vet does not give you special insight, privilege, or ability to speak for everyone. Your blanket assertions prove and mean nothing.

Look, let's skip all the other stuff, I'm tired of all the circular arguments. Help me, please, to understand just one thing ... what is your motive? You are obviously intelligent, yet you argue to defend the government's positions and actions as if you have a personal stake in the outcome. You seem like you never understood the humor in the line, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you".

If you are reluctant to tell me that, then how about a challenge? Name one thing, just ONE thing, that the federal government has done in the last 30 years that you can point to with pride and say, "job well done, we got our moneys worth, it solved the problem, it was efficiently accomplished, end of story". Just one. There is one exemption, military actions ... we can dispute all day long the validity or lack thereof of any particular campaign, but, again, I always support our boys and girls risking their lives to do what they are told to do, even if I disagree with what they are told to do.






Musicmystery -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 11:22:22 AM)

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As to the Federal Reserve creating money that is a fallacy. The Department of the Treasury prints and mints all the US currency. The currency is put into circulation by way of the federal reserve system but there is no debt created when a dollar is printed or put into circulation.


You are confusing money and currency. They are not synonymous--there is far more money than currency, for example.

But you are correct about the debt issue.




DomKen -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 11:32:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Thunderbird56

DK: "I'm a veteran and there is no way US troops would follow the sorts of orders these folks claim are about to be issued en masse"

Congratulations. I have the deepest respect for the jobs our veterans have done and our troops are doing. That doesn't mean that I agree with the jobs they are always told to do. But just because you are a vet does not give you special insight, privilege, or ability to speak for everyone. Your blanket assertions prove and mean nothing.

Look, let's skip all the other stuff, I'm tired of all the circular arguments. Help me, please, to understand just one thing ... what is your motive? You are obviously intelligent, yet you argue to defend the government's positions and actions as if you have a personal stake in the outcome. You seem like you never understood the humor in the line, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you".

If you are reluctant to tell me that, then how about a challenge? Name one thing, just ONE thing, that the federal government has done in the last 30 years that you can point to with pride and say, "job well done, we got our moneys worth, it solved the problem, it was efficiently accomplished, end of story". Just one. There is one exemption, military actions ... we can dispute all day long the validity or lack thereof of any particular campaign, but, again, I always support our boys and girls risking their lives to do what they are told to do, even if I disagree with what they are told to do.

See you are trying to force me into a role you have assigned anyone who disagrees with you. My personal stake in the outcome is that well informed people make good choices and people who have been fed lies and don't know they are lies make very bad choices.

The scum trying to foment revolution, and don't kid anyone what else is the motive for this crap but these vermin trying to create a new power pyramid with themselves at the apex, are telling lies that people believe for some reason when even a tiny amount of skeptical research will prove wrong.

And just to make you happy I can easily point to an immense number of federal actions over the last 30 years even though that time mostly encompasses Ronnie Raygun and his ideological followers who have done unbelievable damage to the nation.

Enforcement of the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts. Remember how bad things had gotten by the early 70's? Remember when rivers caught on fire?

ADA. People with limited mobility can now go just about anywhere.

Food Stamps and subsidized school lunches. Children should not go hungry no matter who their parents are or what bad decisions those parents make.

The CDC. Go look up the pandemic flu cycle and wonder why we haven't had 2 major lethal pandemics in the last 30 years.

NIH. Remember all the different cancers that were almost always lethal in the 70's? Now go look into how much the survival rate has improved. Virtually all of the research that has resulted in us having all but conquered many cancers was paid for by the NIH using federal funds.

The Interstate system. almost entirely maintained by federal funds and vital to our economy.

etc. etc.




DomKen -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 11:36:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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As to the Federal Reserve creating money that is a fallacy. The Department of the Treasury prints and mints all the US currency. The currency is put into circulation by way of the federal reserve system but there is no debt created when a dollar is printed or put into circulation.


You are confusing money and currency. They are not synonymous--there is far more money than currency, for example.

But you are correct about the debt issue.

I was being quite specific. The Federal Reserve doesn't create money. They actually are supposed to constrain the money supply by interest on short term loans to member banks but they don't create money.

The DoTreasury produces all the US currency, paper and coinage.




xXMasterXx -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 8:17:29 PM)

wait...martial law was declared and enforced in new orlands and confiscation of all guns...I have a friend that just graduated the police academy 2 weeks ago and the things he tells me are quite scary about the training and things they learn.Like if there was another 9/11 or some kind of disaster.I actually asked him if he was ever ordered to confiscate all guns would he actually do it and his reply was."yes thats my job""I'll still have my gun so I don't care"...paranoid?I just see whats happening and am reacting.I read the paper and watch the news like everybody else.Its not paranoia




DomKen -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 8:50:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xXMasterXx

wait...martial law was declared and enforced in new orlands and confiscation of all guns...I have a friend that just graduated the police academy 2 weeks ago and the things he tells me are quite scary about the training and things they learn.Like if there was another 9/11 or some kind of disaster.I actually asked him if he was ever ordered to confiscate all guns would he actually do it and his reply was."yes thats my job""I'll still have my gun so I don't care"...paranoid?I just see whats happening and am reacting.I read the paper and watch the news like everybody else.Its not paranoia

New Orleans was never under martial law. Louisiana doesn't allow that. What happened was a declared state of emergency which is similiar to what is usually thought of as martial law.
http://www.slate.com/id/2125584/nav/tap1/

As to the gun confiscation it appears it was strictly the action of the local police force and it was clearly not a door to door confiscation of every firearm in the city. In 2006 the city arranged a way to recover all the lawful weapons seized.

So yes paranoid.




xXMasterXx -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 8:59:09 PM)

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL083105lawless.1242410b.html




xXMasterXx -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 9:04:07 PM)

They confiscated guns from everyone even law abiding citizens....that is close enough for me




DomKen -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 9:46:18 PM)

You can keep claiming it was martial law but the facts are otherwise. Read the Slate article and do your own research and you will find that it wasn't martial law and certainly was no where even close to a violation of the Posse Comitatus act which actual martial law would have been.




xXMasterXx -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 9:57:24 PM)

emergency state or martial law...call it whatever you want...http://www.freepressinternational.com/2008/09/martial-law-and-new-orleans/




breatheasone -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 10:01:58 PM)

~~FR~~
TO ME This is a MUST see youtube page. YMMV
http://http://www.youtube.com/user/galaxydreams





xXMasterXx -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 10:02:10 PM)

"WDSU-TV reported that martial law was declared in some parts of New Orleans Tuesday morning."




xXMasterXx -> RE: A must see video (5/20/2009 10:21:13 PM)

breatheasone...the link doesnt work




breatheasone -> RE: A must see video (5/21/2009 5:46:26 AM)

Sorry... This may work now.
http://www.youtube.com/user/galaxydreams




MrRodgers -> RE: A must see video (5/26/2009 11:13:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

As to the Federal Reserve creating money that is a fallacy. The Department of the Treasury prints and mints all the US currency. The currency is put into circulation by way of the federal reserve system but there is no debt created when a dollar is printed or put into circulation.


You are confusing money and currency. They are not synonymous--there is far more money than currency, for example.

But you are correct about the debt issue.

I was being quite specific. The Federal Reserve doesn't create money. They actually are supposed to constrain the money supply by interest on short term loans to member banks but they don't create money.

The DoTreasury produces all the US currency, paper and coinage.

Actually,  the fed writes ALL orders to the US Bureau of Engraving and Printing for currency and usually does so 2 months in advance of its release into circulation. This is done mainly to replace old cash but more is printed as fed assesses the economic needs such as in the summer and at other times.

To affect the over all economy the term used is 'quantitative easing' and is an attempt to increase the money supply by buying more and more assets from banks without regard to an interest-rate target. The Fed doesn't need to print more currency to do that; it can simply happen electronically, as the banks are credited with more money in the accounts they keep with the Federal Reserve.

The Fed can do this as much as it wants, but it could face two potential problems. For one, it's possible that those reserve accounts will keep growing without stimulating any economic activity. Alternatively, the Fed could increase the money supply by too much, resulting in inflation.




NormalOutside -> RE: A must see video (5/26/2009 11:16:29 PM)

It's a great series.
Sad to see so many turning their noses up and saying "tinfoil hats, tinfoil hats!" while their country and world quickly disintegrate. Yeesh.




breatheasone -> RE: A must see video (5/27/2009 2:26:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NormalOutside

It's a great series.
Sad to see so many turning their noses up and saying "tinfoil hats, tinfoil hats!" while their country and world quickly disintegrate. Yeesh.


AGREED!




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