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sodsta -> Sub initiative. (5/19/2009 4:59:42 PM)

Okay, so there have been a few threads recently about people taking initiative, who makes the first move, what counts as "pushy", and so on...

I thought it was a bit unfair, though, that most of the posts on this topic generally tended to concentrate on what subs shouldn't do when trying to make the first move, rather than what they should. I've seen a lot of "subs shouldn't ask for play if the Domme is not in the right headspace," or "presenting your Domme with a pair of cuffs and a flogger as soon as she walks in the door is not a good way to get her in the mood". These are fairly obvious things, and both very true, of course, but it does become hard to know just how to get a Domme in the mood or find out if the time is right, simply because the line between being a pushy "do me" sub and taking positive initiative often gets buried under the mountain of posts from Dommes listing what subs *shouldn't* do.

So, I thought I'd change it up, and ask you what sort of things a sub could do that you would class as 'taking initiative' as opposed to 'being pushy'. What sorts of things can a sub do that would put you "in the mood", or make you feel particularly Dominant/Sadistic/Playful. What things push your buttons, so to speak, and get the juices flowing?

In other words, what *should* subs do?  




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/19/2009 5:11:12 PM)

Backrubs are the key to my...well, almost everything.  I'm guaranteed to melt for a good backrub.  Bringing me a cup of tea, fixing me a good meal, and generally making me comfortable and relaxed is always the way to go.  Doing all of this while wearing chains and an outfit that bears a strong resemblance to a bellydancer's costume or a maid's uniform is a major bonus.




SlaveBlutarsky -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/19/2009 5:15:29 PM)

1. Find her.
2. Make her insanely happy.
3. ???
4. Profit.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/19/2009 5:16:53 PM)

Hmmm....

Making sure that I am comfortable and not stressed out is a good start.  Me, I am the fiend of scalp massage, though a backrub?  That's good. Might relax me TOO much, though... 




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/19/2009 5:20:45 PM)

Backrubs done right are a HUGE turn-on for me.  Under the right circumstances, I get relaxed and energized at the same time.  Then whoever is giving me the backrub needs to watch out.  Why yes, I *do* bite.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/19/2009 5:21:41 PM)

Well, if there is one of those semi-accidental hair-pulling moments, Steps Must Be Taken... [:)]




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/19/2009 5:24:37 PM)

There ya go...[:D]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/19/2009 5:26:00 PM)

LOL!

I am trying to remember the last time an available sub NEEDED to show initiative! [8D]




sodsta -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/19/2009 5:36:44 PM)

quote:

1. Find her.
2. Make her insanely happy.
3. ???
4. Profit.


Ya' know... I think you might just be on to something there. ;)




SlaveBlutarsky -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/19/2009 6:41:26 PM)

99% of the things I've learned in my life I've learned from South Park. 




PsyVamp -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/19/2009 6:56:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sodsta

quote:

1. Find her.
2. Make her insanely happy.
3. ???
4. Profit.


Ya' know... I think you might just be on to something there. ;)



He is definitely not off base.
I find that the main reason I would not be in the mood to play is due to stress (either imagined or real).  If I have had an extremely busy day at work and have tons of school work to do, I'm already probably going to be too stressed or tired to play.
Coming home to a clean, quiet house....letting me decompress without interruption...being attentive and obedient...these are the kinds of things that would go a long way into lightening my day.
Once the stress is gone, then not only am I more open to play being a mutually satisfying event instead of just something else that someone wants me to do, but I'm more open to playing being something he likes too.

LJ




AAkasha -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/19/2009 7:04:44 PM)


I think it can vary, depending on the woman. So you can either ask her, during down time, to share some ideas.  But more importantly, be observant as you get to know one another to see what she likes - when does she get more physically flirtacious? Does she ever say, "Oh, that's hot. Do that again?"  I try to give subs the right kind of direct positive feedback, because fairly random things can get my juices flowing - wet hair, breathing a certain way, biting his lip, etc.  But in certain circumstances; just randomly, it might not be the same.

I can tell you that capability pushes my buttons. When I see a man doing something and doing it well, I want to possess or dominate him, sometimes, at that moment. And it can be anything.  Watching him play a sport, play a video game, dance, whatever - if he displays confidence, at that moment intersects with one of my femdom-lust moments, then I think, yeah, I must get that boy on his knees -- pronto. 

Some ways you can show initiative: Kneel, but don't do so blatantly, do it in a moment of convenience, like if she is on the couch, rather than sit beside,kneel down and offer a foot rub. Also offer a hand massage - those are quite nice.  Offer your neck when cuddling or making out - the neck is a vulnerable area, and it's a subtle sign of surrender (to some) when you offer up your neck like that. 

Bring her roses - with thorns.  Write a note that goes with it, indicating the reason for letting the thorns remain, something about pain of course :) 

Write her a story - or make a mixed CD for her of music that you think she'd like.  Bring chocolate.  That often works!!

Akasha




Puc -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/20/2009 4:55:03 AM)

This is great advice and very useful to all subs [:)] Thanks!!!




LadyPact -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/20/2009 5:53:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SlaveBlutarsky

99% of the things I've learned in my life I've learned from South Park. 


Remind Me again why I don't own you?




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/20/2009 7:39:03 AM)

I can only speak for me -- but with enough people providing input, you can probably pull some useful generalities that may serve you well. For me, what the person 'should' do is be particularly attentive. I tend to be chaotic in nature -- which is reflected in both my behavior and my personal space. This means that I need to have people around me who can show that they are flexible, and are -paying attention-, because when things change, they may change -very- quickly.

How to do this... well, I'd say pay attention to little things.Make it clear that I'm the focus of your world-- at least for this time when we're together.

(This is really meant for more public occasions and for first meeting situations, since, many times, I'll tend to meet people someplace for a meal or coffee in public prior to anything planned later -- but much of it also applies if you come to my home to serve)
  • When we're meeting, even for the first time, show small courtesies like getting up from your chair when I approach if you've been seated before I arrive. If I am already seated, pause at your seat and wait for an acknowledgment/invitation before taking a seat.
  • Offer your name (or preferred address) up front, and ask me how I prefer to be addressed. This will alleviate a -lot- of potential misunderstandings, and will make life ever so much easier for both of us.
  • Be dressed neatly. It can be really casual, but your clothing should be neat and clean, and you should recently have at least been in the same room with a running shower... preferably under the flow of water. Jeans and a t-shirt are fine, but having remnants of your last week's meals covering the front of your t-shirt and holes in your jeans big enough to drive a semi (lorry) through (and stained enough that it looks like you washed the truck using your pants as a scrub-cloth)... not so much. Sweatpants or pajama pants and a lounge-shirt are -never- appropriate attire for a first meeting.
  • Keep an eye on my water glass and beverage, and if you see it getting low, flag a server when you see one going by. If I don't want to drink it, that's all good -- I won't... but you won't go wrong by being attentive to making sure I have something to drink if I want it.
  • Be prepared with a couple of topics to start a conversation. It helps a -lot- if you know some of my interests (reading the profile can give a clue) and have good 'starter' sentences for discussing your own interests so that we can actually converse. At a first meeting, I want to know that this is a person that I'll be able to hold a conversation with, and someone who -thinks through- what xhe says.
  • Be courteous. You don't have to bring flowers (though if you do, I won't turn them down), but using a more 'formal' manner of address and courtesy will certainly earn brownie points.
  • Have a sense of humor. Be able and willing to laugh at yourself... and know when NOT to crack jokes as well -- sense of humor includes both the capacity to bring humor to a situation and the sense to know when it is time to be serious.
  • Be courteous to the service individuals with whom you interact. Tip appropriately.
  • If you speak about others, make sure that the things that you say will be a credit to you, rather than derogatory towards them. Nobody likes to have to worry about whether you'll be taking poorly behind their backs once you've gone in other directions.
  • Answer questions honestly. Be prepared for at least a couple of questions that will startle you and perhaps require you to step out of your 'shell'... and speak with forthrightness and surety.
  • Know what you want, the types of relationships you're seeking out, and why you have agreed to the meeting. Think carefully about what brought you to agree, because you'll certainly be asked those questions, and "I don't know" or dissembling, frankly, is annoying. Have a life-plan. Even if your plan is as simple as wanting to be kept and serve someone for the rest of your life, knowing how you got to that point and how you hope to fulfill that goal is going to come up in the conversation. I guarantee it. Oh, and if you -do- want that, then know what it is about you that will make it worth my while to keep you -- what are you putting on the table, and what are your expectations of yourself and your Keeper... again, it's going to come up in the course of the conversation.
  • Read books. Have ideas and be able to express them. Have a political, social, and personal stand and a set of ethics. Admittedly, sometimes those things may mean we won't agree or won't be a good long-term fit, but if you have nothing between your ears but fluff, you'll fall right off the radar, guaranteed.
That's all I can think of at the moment. I'm sure I missed some things, but it's a start.

Dame Calla




HalloweenWhite -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/20/2009 7:49:31 AM)

Hello sodsta,

I'm not a Domme but what'd work for Me is simply being asked if there was anything I wanted/needed or that they (the submissive) could do for Me. That way you take the initiative but-you do it in a way that displays your willingness/enthusiasm to serve.




Andalusite -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/20/2009 8:24:41 AM)

This is part of what I was getting at in my thread about getting a Domme "in the mood." [:D] I agree that most of the things mentioned are good, but there's a big difference between initiation on the first or second date, and with an ongoing partner. I'm much less likely to view it as pushy from someone I have history/emotions/etc. with.




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/20/2009 8:35:39 AM)

Pay attention and register the information she is giving you.
If you are in doubt, ask "how can I be of service/help to you Ms/Maam?"   It's okay to say that you are at a loss for direction, and would love to do something that is useful and helpful to ease her moment or day.    M




thetammyjo -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/20/2009 8:52:11 AM)

This is a good question, sodsta, but unfortunately it is not easy to answer because what you should do depends entirely on the type of relationship you have and the personalities of both people.

If Fox is feeling in the mood for more play than our lives allow, he'll do small things to show his submission such as kneel to offer me things or just kneel for a hug instead of a face-to-face hug. He might sit on the floor at my feet instead of next to me on the couch. He might hop in and do a chore without my comment since as hopping up with the vacuum to help me clean the living room Sunday evening since my in-laws are coming for a visit starting tomorrow.

These things he does, do two things for our dynamic. Yes, it communicates to me but more importantly it is a way he can feel his submission without requiring anything from me. He takes charge of his own service in this fashion and feels fulfilled -- of course I also recognize his work and attitude most of the time in some way.




HalloweenWhite -> RE: Sub initiative. (5/20/2009 8:54:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Andalusite

This is part of what I was getting at in my thread about getting a Domme "in the mood." [:D] I agree that most of the things mentioned are good, but there's a big difference between initiation on the first or second date, and with an ongoing partner. I'm much less likely to view it as pushy from someone I have history/emotions/etc. with.


Ah, sorry, I think I misinterpreted your question. I'm half asleep and sick of this damn rain lol. Sorry for talking nonsense, anyway. :)




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