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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/7/2006 1:35:07 PM

LadyTantalize

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I agree my way is not the only way. There are many schools of thought on this subject. You have no desire to own anyone but others who are dominant want absolute and irrevocable control. Each to their own.

As a Dominant knowledgeable in the areas of absolute and irrevocable control, I must agree in that there are MANY variations of "absolute control"!! I feel that the OP is attempting to catch a lightening bolt and fully define it rather than let it strike and be amazed at it's power. Might I cite a somewhat new school of philosophy called Internal Enslavement which does indeed grasp the ideology of "absolute control" but such is exacted in less defined, less structured and even less visible methods.

http://www.enslavement.org.uk/

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/7/2006 1:54:58 PM

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How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership without Slavery?

Find someone who cares for you enough, and trusts you enough to let you control every aspect of their existence, perhaps by giving you power of attorney; a lot of wives (and some husbands) relinquish power/control that way every day with or without power of attorney.

If you really want that kind of power over another without their continuous consent, and need to find legal ways to do it, my suggestion is find psychiatric help for the dellusions of grandeur, and to avoid jailtime. M

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/7/2006 2:41:23 PM

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Find someone who cares for you enough, and trusts you enough to let you control every aspect of their existence, perhaps by giving you power of attorney; a lot of wives (and some husbands) relinquish power/control that way every day with or without power of attorney.

If you really want that kind of power over another without their continuous consent, and need to find legal ways to do it, my suggestion is find psychiatric help for the dellusions of grandeur, and to avoid jailtime. M

Well said Ms. M.,

In my case, it is my desire for what you describe to care enough, and trust enough to let Her control me <read love enough> which ensures Her control over me. That said control becomes the most important thing to me. Because it is an aspect of the love which is the most important thing to me. (i am speaking of my developed love for Her, even if not reciprocated, such reciprocation being another matter).

So out of my love i submit myself. (This would likely be true even if i were in a professional environment, although in all cases it would begin as my affection).

The only time things like power of attorney or any other legal devise would come into play, would be if i did not wish to belong to Her any longer. If i decided to take my will back. <If it happened that i no longer cared enough, or could trust enough> In that case, the legal device would only be needed by One who still wished to own me, even against my will.

i seriously doubt that i could ever get beyond affection with One of that nature.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/7/2006 2:51:16 PM

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With respect truesub, you cannot by definition be a Slave unless you are legally owned. I suspect that you are a conditional submissive who is in a consensual psycho-sexual,sadomasochist relationship but who is definately not a slave. You can walk away a real slave cannot. Remember she chose to be a slave and now she is a slave.She has no right whatsoever to complain because she is just property and absolutely nothing more.

While sense coming onto Collarme and finding out that for years of being called a slave by my first Master... i've found I was nothing but submissive... never claimed to be a slave.. and due to the fact that I believeI will always maintain my right to leave.. i'll never be a slave in most Doms eyes.. only a submissive..... and this.. I can live with.. be happy with.. and make my Master happy with....

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/7/2006 3:06:45 PM

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Was that "not" or "now"?

But the practical matter remains how one can know that a lawyer won't be disbarred in the future. Obviously, psychiarists and social workers can only lose their license.

Now, while the requirements of an "Adult Guardianship" or "Guardian ad litem" varies from state to state. Most of the ones about which I'm aware require affirmation that the person be disabled in some form in such a way that the state needs to appoint someone to protect him or her against neglect, exploitation, or abuse.

In the case of someone seeking the situation in the way you are putting forth, I strongly believe that a certain degree of falsification and fabrication would be necessary to obtain the required order leading to a situation were accessories in the matter would, indeed, be subject to licensure review.

This would be particularly if the "slave" decided to leave the relationship and took action to get his or her rights back.

It's a nice fantasy, but it certainly opens up a huge potential downside.

Evening Mr Warren And Miss Libby...

After posting this about my friend earlier this afternoon, and seeing some of the responses to the OP, I went and did some further inquiring as to how my friend ended up in this type of ownership.

It fell into the category of other threads on cutting. It appears that her Master caught her cutting on herself and all leagal actions went forth from there. And this is how he obtained Guardianship over her in the court of law. To make sure she didn't harm herself no more. No her Master isn't into cutting either. Not by her statement and what I know of him.

So it appears that this was a result of her being abusive to herself some 6 years ago. (Longer than I even knew they was together, they're been together for just over 10 years) But I've known about the Guardianship order for 3 years when she first brought it to my attention with a plea to help her get out of it. Not knowing a damn thing about guardianship ownership.. I adviced her to leave. Get out. Divorce the bastard. All i've been able to do is sit back and watch for 3 years now.. the bullshit she's having to go through to get out of this all together.

North Carolina will allow the divorce but until everything else is taken care of.. he's still her Guardian... unless it's turned over to someone else or the state. I personally can't and will not get involved on that level. All I can do is sit and be here for to talk to. And wish her the best.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/7/2006 3:56:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: SubjectProperty

With respect truesub, you cannot by definition be a Slave unless you are legally owned. I suspect that you are a conditional submissive who is in a consensual psycho-sexual,sadomasochist relationship but who is definately not a slave. You can walk away a real slave cannot. Remember she chose to be a slave and now she is a slave.She has no right whatsoever to complain because she is just property and absolutely nothing more.

mmmmmmmm so you have the universal definition of slave?

OH THANK GOD... now all this debate of what is a slave is finally at a end! that should save hundreds of posts/threads and discussions.

HEY EVERYBODY.... subjectiveproperty as the absolute definition of what a slave is!!! the grail has been found.... how can we every repay this gallant um person!

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/7/2006 4:03:11 PM

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subjectiveproperty

Pardon my one liner...

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/7/2006 4:04:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: SubjectProperty

Well the Lawyers,Psychiatrists,Social workers,involved in the case of the women who is notw a lifelong owned slave by vertue of her adult guardianship,clearly have not been disbarred nor will they be.

Was that "not" or "now"?

But the practical matter remains how one can know that a lawyer won't be disbarred in the future. Obviously, psychiarists and social workers can only lose their license.

Now, while the requirements of an "Adult Guardianship" or "Guardian ad litem" varies from state to state. Most of the ones about which I'm aware require affirmation that the person be disabled in some form in such a way that the state needs to appoint someone to protect him or her against neglect, exploitation, or abuse.

In the case of someone seeking the situation in the way you are putting forth, I strongly believe that a certain degree of falsification and fabrication would be necessary to obtain the required order leading to a situation were accessories in the matter would, indeed, be subject to licensure review.

This would be particularly if the "slave" decided to leave the relationship and took action to get his or her rights back.

It's a nice fantasy, but it certainly opens up a huge potential downside.

Well I would add this bite of thought as well

If indeed it is true that a adult as gained Adult Guardianship over a competent adult in mind... just for the sake of lifestyle perferrences. Are they really legally owned? This guardain ship is as you say at the least as been gained by falsification and frabrications. Or at worse.. the professionals in the case willing ignor the basic laws that govern the applications of Adult Guardianship.

So, just because the Guardianship is obtained... it could only be obtained thru false pretenses, making the guardianship null and void.... Even if it is never found out by legal authorities, in principle it not legal and therefore, a claim of ownership based on legal claims would be false

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/7/2006 4:52:05 PM

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For me one of the beauties of the Master/slave relationship is the choice of the slave to continually consent to be enslaved.

Binding slave hood, bounded by whatever means outside of the will of the slave only diminishes its beauty for me.

Just as the slave is accountable to the Master, the Master is accountable to the slave! If the Master should fail to maintain his responsibilities of caring for the well-being of the slave, it is the responsibility of the slave to withdraw consent! The continued choice of the slave to submit all authority to the Master is active demonstration of the Master maintaining his responsibilities. This continuous power of choice to consent to the authority of the Master by the slave and the Master’s continued maintenance of his responsibilities is a dynamic that protects the slave from abuse!

Legal binding slavery even with consent or Enforced Slavery by whatever means etc, what protects the slave from abuse? I see no avenue in these situations that protects the slave from the abuse of the Master! Hence this is one of the reasons that these situations are not socially accepted or even legally allowed except in cases of mental incompetence etc.

I would be very very careful of any Dominant that wishes to have some sort of legally enforced authority on their slave. Such avenues are very limited legally, can only be gained appropriately under the slave being deemed incompetent in some fashion. Once in such a situation, it is not easily retracted. “slaves” this is a recipe for abuse! Stay away from it!

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/7/2006 5:06:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

Such avenues are very limited legally, can only be gained appropriately under the slave being deemed incompetent in some fashion. Once in such a situation, it is not easily retracted. “slaves” this is a recipe for abuse! Stay away from it!

This leads to the question that if a person is found legally incompetent and therefore needs a guardian, are they capable of giving informed consent to enter into Consenual Slavery in the first place?

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/7/2006 9:20:22 PM

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For me one of the beauties of the Master/slave relationship is the choice of the slave to continually consent to be enslaved.

That (and othe similar statements throughout this post) has got to be one of thebest things I have read on CM. I agree wholeheartedly.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/7/2006 9:42:48 PM

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mmmmmmmm so you have the universal definition of slave?

OH THANK GOD... now all this debate of what is a slave is finally at a end! that should save hundreds of posts/threads and discussions.

HEY EVERYBODY.... subjectiveproperty as the absolute definition of what a slave is!!! the grail has been found.... how can we every repay this gallant um person!

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 12:23:25 AM

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Is this guy for real or what?

Must of caught me on a bad day, coz he's seriously pissing me off. I want to slap the back of his legs, HARD.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 4:13:14 AM

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It is no fantasy. Yes there is a degree of falsification of documentation ect to secure the guardianship. Rememer one subnmissive here claims to know a female slave in just such an irrevocable situation.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 5:25:03 AM

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It is no fantasy. Yes there is a degree of falsification of documentation ect to secure the guardianship. Rememer one subnmissive here claims to know a female slave in just such an irrevocable situation.

Such a claim has been made. This, by itself on a message board, doesn't signify much, particularly from a poster who hasn't yet established a posting history from which readers can infer a credibility or lack of the same.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 5:40:42 AM

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Personally after reading the posts here and also judging by the other threads the OP has started I find him/her/it naught but an annal malcontent filled with shit.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 5:43:34 AM

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So anyone thinking of exercising real power and control should explore the above possibilities.

This is only important if it's important to the slave owner that there is no revokable possibility on the part of the slave.

If speaking in terms of 'consent' and how that applys to wiiwd I'd say a no revokable possibility would be just as important to the slave who hopes to 'consent' to it.

Which raises an interesting concept...would I wish to employ a legal power binding the slave to me...hmm, only for the theatrics I think...if it was important to him, and the him in question being my partner in crime for life... the only thing I can think of that I might do to instill a sense of 'real power', legal control so to speak, that he really is 'mine' would be having him take my surname in marriage...but I could see merits in power of attorney type stuff for longterm and house slaves.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 8:32:45 AM

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership without Slavery

I can give several ways to do this besides whats allready stated above. ( You will notice that most show you first taking an action in order to aquire something back. )

Mind You they might not be what You seek.lol

Have a child. There is no greater feeling of Power, Control, Ownership complete over anything then that of a child you have gave birth to.

Hire a Family Member. There is no second greater feeling of Power, Control, Ownership complete over anything then that of next of kin working for you.

Purchase an Animal for a pet. There is no third greater feeling of Power, Control, Ownership complete over anything then that of a animal that will come and lick ya face with kisses after you have done everything emaginable to it and in return gives nothing but love complete in return.

Take all of these and roll them up into One and you can possible know half of what it is to have Ownership, Power and Control with slavery concensual. Why would anyone need Power and Control or Ownership if it isent ?

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 9:07:40 AM

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Is this guy for real or what?

Must of caught me on a bad day, coz he's seriously pissing me off. I want to slap the back of his legs, HARD.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 9:08:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: SubjectProperty

It is no fantasy. Yes there is a degree of falsification of documentation ect to secure the guardianship. Rememer one subnmissive here claims to know a female slave in just such an irrevocable situation.

Such a claim has been made. This, by itself on a message board, doesn't signify much, particularly from a poster who hasn't yet established a posting history from which readers can infer a credibility or lack of the same.

Damn... that hurt. But at least I can understand this statement Mr Warren. And like I told Stef in an earlier post.... I too wished it wasn't true. I've also stated a revised post on how she ended up in said situation. It did in fact turn out to be because she started cutting on her self. And became what the courts deemed, unable to properly care for herself.

But either way.... it's not my place to judge her, her Master, or any of the others involved. What I should of done was not said a damn word. I guess I was looking for an answer to help her with the situation sense it was brought up with to begin with. Because I don't know enough about t to help her get out of it like she wants too.

I do have to add this though.... my credibility or lack of what ever... is no different than anyone else on here. I find you to be a highly inteligent poster. Some times you talk so far above my head, I have to break out a dictionary or go google something you've mentioned. But because you use big words, and come across so much more smarter... doesn't mean your credibilty is any better than mine. You've just been around longer than me. This isn't a diss or anything of the sorts..... this is my response.... and like yours... my opinion on the whole damn thing.

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