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Eliza4U -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (5/28/2009 8:32:35 AM)

Just reading through this. 
Master of Masters would be a teach of a Master.  Master has to learn and be trained somewhere from someone - from a Master or a Domme.




GreedyTop -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (5/28/2009 8:42:32 AM)

god I hate the macho posturing.

if it came down to it, I'd choose Jeff over someone whose ego was so inflated that they'd choose to die rather than stick around for the people who love/need them.

sometimes, submitting to anothers will is the stronger, wiser and more prudent way to go.




Fitznicely -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (5/28/2009 8:57:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

god I hate the macho posturing.




Amen. There's some testosterone flying round this thread and no mistake.




agirl -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (5/28/2009 11:49:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MstrPBK

Recently an acquaintance of mine from another online site used this phrase to suggest that he might "submit to that one person". My question: Is this phrase more fictionalized ... or ... is this more if a metaphore ... or ... is this a realistic phrase to be using?

AND yes I already have my own thoughts on this; I just wanted to see what a collected group of minds thought on this.

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA


I don't see why not. It sounds like someone that doesn't deal in absolutes, and as someone who also doesn't most of the time, I can understand the comment.

Not *ruling something out* doesn't fall into realistic or unrealistic realms . It may JUST be what it is. * It's not being ruled out*.

I haven't really got to grips with the macho, the Alpha and the dominant and I don't have a great deal of knowledge on the definitions but you kind of *know it when you see them*.

If you're on top of me in a D/s sense......... you earned it. And it wouldn't have occured through macho posturing (as Greedytop put it) .....or by being Alpha ( hey, your position matters more than I do!*)

I tend to think human males are a bit more complex anyhow. And human females a bit more discerning.

agirl











LudoBiter -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (5/29/2009 11:54:22 PM)

i have heard of that "will only submit to that one" one of my sub has said that to me and she does not want or is going to sub for anyone else but me. she has told me this many many times and others have come and tried but i do believe that it is true. i believe that we all have either both dom and sub  that we would sub under or dom over. atleast one and we are all looking for that one and maybe a few will stay but only one sub or one dom will be that one or in some cases there was a sub and a dom that is some peoples one having both someone to control them and then visa versa. but that is my thoughts on that "will only submit to that one"




MstrPBK -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (5/30/2009 12:40:25 AM)

First I thought this thread would die quickly but it has evolved nicely thanks for those who responded.

I wanted to give you guys "the punch line" as it were to the original conversation I had with said person. I continued to ask the person what HE defined the "the Master of Masters" and his response was one that really made me do a head jerk. His response was (and I quote): "his name is Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of the living God.".

Now I am trying to find how to respond to him (my problem definitely).

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA




colouredin -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (5/30/2009 2:21:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

god I hate the macho posturing.

if it came down to it, I'd choose Jeff over someone whose ego was so inflated that they'd choose to die rather than stick around for the people who love/need them.

sometimes, submitting to anothers will is the stronger, wiser and more prudent way to go.




It all seems like rubbish anyway, like the whole a man is an island. I kinda see it like when men won't go to gay bars because they are simply too straight, there is far more insecurity in their stubbornness than they would like you to realise.




kingtaz -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (6/1/2009 2:57:22 PM)

I'm new. I need help.......




Apocalypso -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (6/1/2009 3:01:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: army101
Yes but another point is that you cant live life on your knees. You must stand on your feet no matter what life gives you! A person should only answer to their own self and not others as you must live with your self.
Try that one when you get a speeding ticket.  Let me know how it goes.

Although I've decided not to be bound by the laws of gravity.  Damn gravity.  Telling me what to do.




army101 -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (6/2/2009 7:27:01 PM)

Going very well thanks. Over 50 years of driving and no tickets, several were dropped after being polite honest and firm even admitting I had done wrong.[:D]

Back to the Master of Masters subject. Yes some of it does refer to Jesus and who says he wasnt into BDSM after all he made whips and used them on people to!




Ialdabaoth -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (6/3/2009 12:23:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: army101

Yes but another point is that you cant live life on your knees. You must stand on your feet no matter what life gives you! A person should only answer to their own self and not others as you must live with your self.


... bullshit.

I answer to everyone on the planet. I answer to history. I answer to everyone who has a stake in the consequences of my action, because the alternative is sociopathy.

Look, son, here's the score. "Power" isn't some magical thing that you decide you have and all of the sudden you have it. It's not some bit of wand-waving that you can do to get what you want, no matter how big your wand (yes, yes, I'm sure it's very nice. We're all quite impressed down here, let me tell you.) Power is situational. It's interpersonal. And it's chaotic. No-one has control over how much or how little power they have. No-one even has full control over their own actions and decisions. What we have is influence, and responsibility.

Responsibility's a funny word. Se how it has "response" in there? sound it out with me. "Response... Ability." Now think about that. Are you able to respond to the situation? I.e., can you do anything constructive from where you are? If so, then you do it. You don't worry about who's in control, or who's guiding who, or who's going to look better. You just do it, because it's what needs to be done. Sometimes that means you're giving the orders. Sometimes that means you're following them. And sometimes that means you follow your own path.

Let me tell you a parable.

Once, an old man came to a village. He was near the end of his life, and was unsure how much strength he still had in him. He saw a young woman, starving, trying to take care of her dying grandmother. He frowned and looked at her.

"Why do you not eat?", he said.

"I can't afford food right now, and I can't leave my grandmother's side to glean rice.", she replied.

"She will die soon anyways; go get some food!", he said.

"I can't!", she said, and went back to trying to ease the old woman's breathing.

"You go; I can take care of her for a little while.", he replied.

She nodded, and left, and while she went to eat he looked the woman over - for he knew a small amount of medicine, and could sometimes discern the causes of ailments.

The woman's condition was grave. She could not be cured, and very likely would never fully wake from her fever-fit. But her lungs and heart were still healthy, and it would likely be a long and low and lingering death, while the young girl wasted away to nothing caring for her.

He nodded to himself, and smothered the old woman with his pillow. He wrote an eloquent letter to the young girl, telling her to grieve, to bury her grandmother, and then to take the possessions in his traveling-satchel and try to reclaim her life. And then he stood up and walked to the magistrate's office.

The magistrate was bewildered. "Why... why did you murder that old woman?", he said.

"Because her lingering half-life would have killed a vibrant young girl", the old man replied. "My actions were necessary."

The magistrate nodded grimly. "I can see the logic and wisdom in your decision, good sir. It pains me to say it, but you have done a mercy, and perhaps the days would be kinder to our people if more could stomach to do the same. But why then must you bring it to my attention? My hands are tied now; you must be tried and punished for this, and you will be hanged."

The old man nodded sadly, and fixed his gaze firmly in the magistrates' eyes. "Because they were also wrong. Simply because a thing is necessary, simply because I have no choice but to perform an action, does not absolve me of the consequences of that action. I served the girl's needs by unburdening her from a still-breathing corpse. Now I serve your law's needs by turning myself in. I am your humble servant."

Now, when is righteousness harmful? And when does service mean disobedience?


Another parable:


One day, the mightiest ship in the Imperial Fleet was sailing through a dense fogbank. It lurched forward slowly, cautious of any rocks and obstacles that might be in its way. Suddenly, a light pierced through the dim grey of the fog - another ship was approaching!

The mighty warship sent out a lantern-semaphore to whoever was approaching - "You are on a collision course; you will divert five degrees to starboard."

It was rejoined by a terse reply: "Negative; you must divert 5 degrees to port."

The admiral on board the warship was irate! He was the commander of the entire Imperial Navy; he would not be ordered about by anyone, regardless of their rank or belligerence. He ordered the captain to send out another message - "This is an Imperial Warship, and you WILL divert dive degrees to starboard."

The answer, again, was terse: "Will not comply; you are advised to divert 5 degrees to port."

The admiral was furious! He had the captain fire a warning shot, and then send a final message - "This is the flagship of the fleet. We are transporting the Admiral of the Fleet to a war-game exercise. You are hereby ordered on his authority to divert dive degrees to starboard!"

A third, terse answer was given: "This is the South Point light-house. Please divert 5 degrees to port."

The admiral and the captain wisely submitted to the request.

Now, when is rulership folly? And when is service wise?


And finally:


One day, the Emperor died with twin sons, and the Empire was split into two kingdoms, Wu and Fu. The Empire was prosperous but in decline, and each brother had a different vision for how to return it to its former glory.

The King of Wu was a strong and proud man. When he ascended to the throne, he began to issue decrees. He decreed the proper way for milling grain. He decreed the proper way for tilling soil. He decreed the proper way for weaving baskets. He decreed the proper way to smelt iron, and the proper way to forge it. Anything that could be done in his kingdom, he decreed precisely how it was to be done - and then he had his magistrates record his decrees in perfect calligraphy, and ferry them to all his satrapies, so that his subjects could know the proper Way of doing things. Those that resisted, he decreed punishments for, and replaced with those who would do his bidding.

The King of Fu was humble and unassuming. When he ascended to the throne, he began to travel the kingdom. He asked peasants what the proper way for milling grain was, and how much grain they had milled, and why one way was better than another. He asked farmers why they tilled the soil one way and not another, and for how long they had tilled that way, and how many vegetables and fruits they had produced. He asked old women to teach him how to weave baskets. He asked blacksmiths to show him how to smelt ore and forge iron. Everywhere he went, he found workers, and he apprenticed himself to them - and then he had his sages apprentice as well, and try to discern in what ways things could be improved, and how those improvements might vary from satrapy to satrapy. And in all things, he humbled himself and followed - humbled first to the Way of Nature, then to the teachings of his elders, and then to the needs of his people. Those that tried to deceive him, he sadly learned to ignore their counsel, and replaced them with those who would guide him well.

Now, which of these men was a good King?





Cradyn -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (6/3/2009 4:18:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: army101

Back to the Master of Masters subject. Yes some of it does refer to Jesus and who says he wasnt into BDSM after all he made whips and used them on people to!


That made me laugh rofl.

As per the "master of masters". Although it's clearly been stated what the OP's question came about too mean from his friend. Just wanna add my own thoughts.


Although i know many self-named "Masters" out there will fight this till the end. It is my fair belief that there is always that one person in the world that can make even the most sturdy tree, collapse both physically and mentally.

Using myself as example. I cannot sub regularly. It's been tried and tested. I'm a top and that's just how it is. BUT, i do know..without a doubt. That there is probably someone out there who can Master me...even though i claim myself..to be a Master.

Am i a switch, eh slightly. But Master of Masters isnt' technically a driven meaning towards "whoever mentions this has switch tendencies". Merely it is a thought process that for everyone out there, there exists one other who can drive them to bend in every way possible. May not ever find the "Master of such n such" But....that does not mean he/she does not exist.



**And yes for those who check my own profile. It was created as a last ditch effort to try and be something that we've clearly found not to be who I really am. I'm just too lazy to change the profile hehe**




army101 -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (6/4/2009 3:52:25 PM)

So true and the answer to "Master of Masters" will have a different meaning to some and the same to others. But as we do know the OP did specify what his was.

The meaning could well be the one Master as pertains to BDSM the one source who trained all the others that came after both male and female.

Everyone of course has their own opinion and of course it must fit to their own belief.




Hurkan1618 -> RE: the "Master Of Masters" (6/7/2009 12:31:09 AM)

@MstrPBK
Tell your friend to go read some Joseph Cambell (and comparitive theology); make sure his conviction is there and support him. This all could turn into a very heated theological debate which is not my intent here.

As to previous comments ... would the drive to see your love again not drive you to endure torture in a prison camp?

Let's face it we're all doing what we do here with a safety net. You could be the biggest baddest Conan Dom Dom you know but put yourself in a place where there is no safety net ... tough call then ... no one knows how they will respond until they are down in it.

I thought the movie/book The Mist had some good examples of this.

Just my 2 cents ...




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