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Cloudz -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/8/2006 8:24:16 PM)
IB, Not that you need it, but you have my continued support and admiration.

veronicaofML -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/8/2006 8:39:36 PM)
i have enormous respect for poor people living in dangerous neighborhoods. They walk the walk, not just talk the talk. -------------- then why dont ya have any for me then? i come from, the hood. i have run the streets all my life,...20 yrs driving a taxi where cops feared to go. living where cops feared to go. remember munich games? i was there in 72. so tell me about walking the walk...okay? ----------- i take you all posting these stories, trying to make me feel bad huh? aint gonna happen. my experiences are very real... when the day comes "I" meet someone,..as you so descibe..we'll talk about it..until then....i have had too many bad times in my life... i speak what has happened...i speak from my life. be it far from your personal ability to grasp it..it still exists...in my head... that's why the docs say i am a case of PTSD--------post traumatic syndrome..too much bad shit in my life.

candystripper -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/8/2006 10:32:02 PM)
quote: i have enormous respect for poor people living in dangerous neighborhoods. They walk the walk, not just talk the talk. -------------- then why dont ya have any for me then? i come from, the hood. i have run the streets all my life,...20 yrs driving a taxi where cops feared to go. living where cops feared to go. remember munich games? i was there in 72. so tell me about walking the walk...okay? ----------- i take you all posting these stories, trying to make me feel bad huh? aint gonna happen. my experiences are very real... when the day comes "I" meet someone,..as you so descibe..we'll talk about it..until then....i have had too many bad times in my life... i speak what has happened...i speak from my life. be it far from your personal ability to grasp it..it still exists...in my head... that's why the docs say i am a case of PTSD--------post traumatic syndrome..too much bad shit in my life. veronicaofML i think we have had similar experiences, and i apologise if i disrespected You. i find bigotry a sin. However, yes, i know PTSD is a real and quite painful mood disorder. You have my compassion. However, i urge You to learn to accept that others have been poor, with all the attendant dangers and sorrows. candystripper

ExistentialSteel -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/8/2006 11:00:55 PM)
I once attended a week long management seminar that was touted as being able to make you walk on water in managing others. For the entire week, I heard often, if you only got one thing from the course, was to LISTEN. LISTENING was the major tool of managing for every situation the course presented.

candystripper -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/8/2006 11:36:31 PM)
LMAO; mine was about: if the plane crashes in the desert, should you take the water or the gun. Choose gun, of course. Hello You Hottie, ExSteel. candystripper

LaMalinche -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 12:07:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear I’d hope that some of you remember when you are about to get on the soapbox and “Have my say”, that your opinions are sacrosanct and are valuable to you. Yet their value to others is only as much value as others place on them. Stated much more eloquently than my father's "Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one." A wonderful post IB. I really enjoyed it. I have noticed that many people are not really listening to what another is saying, they are mentally composing what they are going to say next. I have always thought of that phenomenon as "competing for airtime". For some reason many people are uncomfortable with silences during conversation. I have never been exactly certain why this is. "Margrethe said nothing— characteristically. If she disagreed, she usually said nothing. She seemed to have no interest in winning arguments, in which she must differ from 99 percent of the human race... many of whom appear willing to suffer any disaster rather than lose an argument. " RAH - Job: A Comedy of Justice Thank you for the post. Best, LaMalinche

IronBear -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 8:29:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: veronicaofML i have enormous respect for poor people living in dangerous neighborhoods. They walk the walk, not just talk the talk. -------------- then why dont ya have any for me then? veronica, I can't see a single post which disrespects you, They disagree with you but no disrespect. You made certain statements which is your right and we accept that this is how you see thigs and feel about it. You have to expect those who don't agree to say so (preferably without flaming) and even as a couple of us did post our personal experiences to show why we have our views just as you did. I'm making this in kindness, empethy and with respect for you.... Have you considered that after your post, and particularly the piece I quoted, may just have been a tad defensive? It certainly invited others to wade in. You had no need to defend your beliefs, they are yours and should be respected. Just don't expect all to agree with them.... Not every one here was born into a poor family or lived in the rough areas. Some were born ito middle class affluent families with all the advantages that go with it. Others were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Most here have made their own mark and stand in life. That is something to be respected and not sneered at.

veronicaofML -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 8:40:57 AM)
I'm making this in kindness, empethy and with respect for you.... Have you considered that after your post, and particularly the piece I quoted, may just have been a tad defensive? ======== tell that to stef she's been riding my ass since day 1------------- i get no damned respect whatsoever--telling me i am a liar..rtelling me i am less than human it's all bullshit

stef -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 10:24:30 AM)
I only call you a liar when you lie, and you have done that on more than one occasion. For instance, I have never told you that you were less than human so now we get to add a new lie to your list. See how simple that is? ~stef

mistoferin -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 10:42:36 AM)
quote: i have enormous respect for poor people living in dangerous neighborhoods. They walk the walk, not just talk the talk. -------------- then why dont ya have any for me then? i come from, the hood. i have run the streets all my life,...20 yrs driving a taxi where cops feared to go. living where cops feared to go. remember munich games? i was there in 72. so tell me about walking the walk...okay? ----------- i take you all posting these stories, trying to make me feel bad huh? aint gonna happen. my experiences are very real... when the day comes "I" meet someone,..as you so descibe..we'll talk about it..until then....i have had too many bad times in my life... i speak what has happened...i speak from my life. be it far from your personal ability to grasp it..it still exists...in my head... that's why the docs say i am a case of PTSD--------post traumatic syndrome..too much bad shit in my life. Veronica, I don't think that anyone has posted their stories to make you feel bad...and if I read your words correctly it would be hard to make you feel any worse than you already do. I believe that what was posted was posted with the intent of showing you that you are indeed not alone. There are many of us out here who have also had more than our fair share of shit to deal with in life, myself included as I have shared but a few instances of such here on these very boards, and we do understand your pain and your anger. My wish for you, and I mean this with all sincerity, is that you will one day find a place where your yesterdays no longer color your todays and tomorrows. A place where you can be free of the anger and pain so that you can begin to embrace each new day and see it's promise.

phoenixslave -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 10:44:29 AM)
i don't believe stef said squat to you in this thread till you summoned up the need. Does this lead you to conclude that all people named Stef should be separated and stay unto themselves?

veronicaofML -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 10:54:03 AM)
My wish for you, and I mean this with all sincerity, is that you will one day find a place where your yesterdays no longer color your todays and tomorrows. A place where you can be free of the anger and pain so that you can begin to embrace each new day and see it's promise. _____________________________ Peace and light, erin -------------- erin... i wish it were i could shut off the memories. they are in my head 24/7;; and if i upset YOU i am..AM sorry... i am just highly defensive when it comes that woman. take care erin

veronicaofML -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 10:55:35 AM)
i don't believe stef said squat to you in this thread till you summoned up the need. Does this lead you to conclude that all people named Stef should be separated and stay unto themselves? =========== just ONE named stef

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 2:15:58 PM)
quote: My wish for you, and I mean this with all sincerity, is that you will one day find a place where your yesterdays no longer color your todays and tomorrows. A place where you can be free of the anger and pain so that you can begin to embrace each new day and see it's promise. Nice wish Erin, but that would require a heart or capacity to love, and the willingness to let go of the same old cantankerous boring pronouncements of "poor me victim" BS that's always left them feeling the same way (alone/lonely, unloved, desperate, sad/miserable)... That would mean learning a new way to relate to people by respecting them in hopes of being respected, and by loving if one hopes to attract love... Too much work for most hateful bores who are sure they are right and set in their misery. M

veronicaofML -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 2:35:32 PM)
That would mean learning a new way to relate to people by respecting them in hopes of being respected, and by loving if one hopes to attract love... Too much work for most hateful bores who are sure they are right and set in their misery. M < Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 2/9/2006 4:28:51 PM > ------- uh yep set in my ways with the strength of my convictions that 90% of the people are out for themselves and to hell with everyone else on the planet..you betcha especially self righteous sanctimonious ones... all those self made gods that come on here preaching THEIR way is THEE way or ya aint shit coz ya aint in their clic ya betcha --- its just that 10% that keeps me wishing...with hope..some day..i will meet 'a' human that says i am worth more alive than i am dead...but that aint happened yet........ and i damned well know it AINT gonna be YOU!!!!!!!!!

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 2:38:43 PM)
quote: its just that 10% that keeps me wishing...with hope..some day..i will meet 'a' human that says i am worth more alive than i am dead...but that aint happened yet........ and i damned well know it AINT gonna be YOU!!!!!!!!! You're right it ain't going to be me, because I have as much of a survival instinct as you do, and if I lent you my hand and you bit it off (because you operate on the kill or be killed level), it would be the last hand you bit. M

JohnWarren -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 2:39:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig Nice wish Erin, but that would require a heart or capacity to love, and the willingness to let go of the same old cantankerous boring pronouncements of "poor me victim" BS that's always left them feeling the same way (alone/lonely, unloved, desperate, sad/miserable)... That would mean learning a new way to relate to people by respecting them in hopes of being respected, and by loving if one hopes to attract love... Too much work for most hateful bores who are sure they are right and set in their misery. M The blanket condemnation of all non-whites pretty much eliminated any sympathy on my part. It's one thing to dislike people who have done unkind things but to project that hatred onto entire races is beyond what I consider acceptable.

veronicaofML -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 2:47:59 PM)
The blanket condemnation of all non-whites pretty much eliminated any sympathy on my part. It's one thing to dislike people who have done unkind things but to project that hatred onto entire races is beyond what I consider acceptable. ------ yeah yeah yeah a lot of good old propaganda a lot of mouth NO ONE has walked in MY shoes...so DONT tell me i wrong..coz i aint! i have nothing but trouble ALL my life... i know gawddamned well what its like to live in-the-hood and i know what its like to put up with the shit i have had to. ya'all talk a good game but it aint in MY world say what ya wanna john dude yer entitled i didnt ask anyone to support me...i do fine alone i am entitled to MY beliefs just dont tell me i am wrong when i aint allowed to tell you---YOU are wrong thats 2 sets of rules and THAT is 2 faced

stef -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 3:18:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig Nice wish Erin, but that would require a heart or capacity to love, and the willingness to let go of the same old cantankerous boring pronouncements of "poor me victim" BS that's always left them feeling the same way (alone/lonely, unloved, desperate, sad/miserable)... Nice wish indeed. When a person has so much of their self invested in that mode of thinking, there are very few things that stand a chance of kicking them out of that groove and it's usually a fairly traumatic/catastrophic event that succeeds in doing so. "Victims" are always able to justify their behavior to themselves and at some point probably end up actually believing the things they spew. Thankfully they're easy to spot, and subsequently, discount. ~stef

veronicaofML -> RE: Grumblings & Grizzlings from the Hibernation Cave ~ COMMUNICATIONS (2/9/2006 3:25:19 PM)
in my mind i can justify anything i want to..i have no conscience...i have guilt i have no shame thats what separates me from the likes of some others that cant handle the truth

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