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"Opposites attract in human search for mate" - 5/26/2009 11:27:36 PM   
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More scientific evidence that opposites do attract and possible reasons for the attraction.


"Opposites attract in human search for mate"

Mon May 25, 2009 3:54pm EDT
By Kylie MacLellan

"Many researchers have found evidence than animals are attracted to members of the opposite sex with differences in major histocompatibility complex or MHC, an immune system factor that also plays a role in having healthy offspring.

Bicalho, who will present her findings at a conference of the European Society of Human Genetics in Vienna on Monday, said the team compared genetic data from 90 married couples with data from 152 randomly generated control couples.

They found the real couples had significantly more dissimilarities in MHC.

"Parents with dissimilar (genetic regions) could provide their offspring with a better chance to ward infections off because their immune system genes are more diverse," they wrote in a summary prepared for the meeting."

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE54N2BH20090525

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RE: "Opposites attract in human search for mate" - 5/27/2009 8:50:18 AM   
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Ya know Ven - if immunology played any Obvious or Appearant role in Personality, I wouldn't find this one so difficult to fathom.  In animals, who rely on a much greater sense of smell than humanity, it makes sense.  That genetic difference is going to affect the way the other animal smells on some subtle level.  Humans have really poor senses of smell, though, and don't rely on what little sense of smell they Do possess to make such reproductive decisions.  Humans rely on sight, personality, social standing, and cultural influences that have little - if anything - to do with actual genetic make up, and certainly nothing to do with such Subtleties of genetic difference.

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RE: "Opposites attract in human search for mate" - 5/27/2009 9:54:09 AM   
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 Humans rely on sight, personality, social standing, and cultural influences that have little - if anything - to do with actual genetic make up, and certainly nothing to do with such Subtleties of genetic difference.


I don't know. Physical appearance, which is a primary attractant, has a great deal to do with genetic background, and a good argument could be made that personality traits have a significant genetic component as well. I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss this. I'd be interested in keeping tabs on where this research goes.


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RE: "Opposites attract in human search for mate" - 5/27/2009 11:28:14 AM   
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Rhi - I do think that personality and appearance weigh more heavily in our choices of mates.
 
Panda - "Fascinating", as Spock would say.

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RE: "Opposites attract in human search for mate" - 5/27/2009 11:39:03 AM   
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Cool research, thank you for sharing.  :> 
It makes sense that nature would set us up to have the highest likelihood of creating a strong, healthy off-spring. 
Also, I wouldn't discount scent either.  Even people who don't cue in on it in obvious ways are susceptible to subconscious perception. 
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RE: "Opposites attract in human search for mate" - 5/27/2009 1:10:33 PM   
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I don't know. Physical appearance, which is a primary attractant, has a great deal to do with genetic background, and a good argument could be made that personality traits have a significant genetic component as well. I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss this. I'd be interested in keeping tabs on where this research goes.



While some aspects of physical appearance are strictly based in genetics (eye/hair color, skin tone, basic bone structure, basic facial features) not all are.  Dentinia, weight and skin condition (such as acne and/or rough/wrinkled easily vs smooth, that sort of thing) are more frequently a direct result of our lifestyle choices.  Those choices are often heavily influenced (either possitively or negatively) by culture and social class - things which are by no means genetic.  Standards of "beauty" are also strongly influenced by culture, social class, fashion trends, and even time within a given culture - it is a mutable thing, not fixed, and therefore not so reliant upon genetics as it might otherwise be.
 
As far as Personality - that becomes the classic Psychology debate of Nature vs Nurture.  It has yet to be conclusively Proven in either direction, but during the years that I was studying psych (I so need to go finish that degree, damnit) the vast majority of the evidence I saw weighed heavily in favor of Nurture.  Parental standards, societal standards, peer pressure or lack thereof, exposure to various stimuli of both positive and negative variety, authority responce (positive or negative) towards various behavior patterns to either reinforce them or destroy them.  Those play much more heavily on the formation of base personality than anything else I can think of or find.  And those, again, are Cultural aspects rather than Genetic aspects of our beings.  The standards for those things change from culture to culture, and across time within a given culture, and have an influence both on how we act and how "attractive" we percieve the actions of others to be.

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RE: "Opposites attract in human search for mate" - 5/27/2009 2:13:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

I don't know. Physical appearance, which is a primary attractant, has a great deal to do with genetic background, and a good argument could be made that personality traits have a significant genetic component as well. I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss this. I'd be interested in keeping tabs on where this research goes.



While some aspects of physical appearance are strictly based in genetics (eye/hair color, skin tone, basic bone structure, basic facial features) not all are.  Dentinia, weight and skin condition (such as acne and/or rough/wrinkled easily vs smooth, that sort of thing) are more frequently a direct result of our lifestyle choices.  Those choices are often heavily influenced (either possitively or negatively) by culture and social class - things which are by no means genetic.  Standards of "beauty" are also strongly influenced by culture, social class, fashion trends, and even time within a given culture - it is a mutable thing, not fixed, and therefore not so reliant upon genetics as it might otherwise be.


Sure, but if you accept that this hypothetical selection mechanism is an evolutionary product, I think we need to consider it in the context of the human evolutionary process. As I understand the material, what the researchers are suggesting is that we are biologically programmed to select mates from a gene pool sufficiently different from our own to ensure that we are maximizing the genetic diversity of our potential offspring. In other words, if what they're suggesting is true, very early humans evolved to select mates that looked significantly different than the other humans in their own immediate group. Fashion choices, skin condition, and things of that nature probably didn't differ that radically from one band to the next, and I suspect were not as important in the primitive selection process as they are today anyway. Anything that walked on fewer than four legs and looked smart enough to tell the difference between a goat and a sabretooth tiger probably qualified as the Bachelor or Bachelorette of The Month.

We know physical appearance, the way a potential partner looks at first glance, is a very powerful element of the initial attraction process. I don't have any trouble believing that something as simple as "that one looks a little different than the others" is a perfectly plausible pre-programmed screening criteria somewhere in our selection software. And in fact that's exactly what the article says the researchers are suggesting - that something as simple as differences in the facial structure of a potential mate could be all it takes.

The problem I have with this is that it seems to contradict some other theories of anthropology that I've always felt were very persuasive - the school of thought that believes we're biologically programmed to form closer associations with people who do resemble us physically, so that we are more likely to band together to defend a line of DNA that may have originated in a common ancestor. Although it's been a few years, everything I've read around that line of reasoning has seemed pretty solid to me, and I'm not quite sure how these two schools of thought would reconcile with one another.



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As far as Personality - that becomes the classic Psychology debate of Nature vs Nurture.  It has yet to be conclusively Proven in either direction, but during the years that I was studying psych (I so need to go finish that degree, damnit) the vast majority of the evidence I saw weighed heavily in favor of Nurture.  Parental standards, societal standards, peer pressure or lack thereof, exposure to various stimuli of both positive and negative variety, authority responce (positive or negative) towards various behavior patterns to either reinforce them or destroy them.  Those play much more heavily on the formation of base personality than anything else I can think of or find.  And those, again, are Cultural aspects rather than Genetic aspects of our beings.  The standards for those things change from culture to culture, and across time within a given culture, and have an influence both on how we act and how "attractive" we percieve the actions of others to be.


Oh, I completely agree. I'm confident that there is a significant genetic component to base personality, but that this element is far outweighed by the formative processes of whatever culture in which you grew up. However, I don't think that negates the theory suggested by these researchers. If your personality is different than mine because it was shaped by a different tribe than the tribe I grew up in, then your DNA is probably considerably different than mine as well. I don't necessarily see that as being a flaw in this theory.


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RE: "Opposites attract in human search for mate" - 5/27/2009 2:14:15 PM   
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Good relationships are built on taking the time to understand how one another thinks.

Example - I may be get my energy from within - which I do - you may get your energy from bouncing ideas off the people around you. Where we don't take the time to understand one another then we simply are not going to attract. You would see me as cold and withdrawn - I would see you as too busy talking and not enough contemplation. Neither are remotely 'correct' but until you understand and appreciate difference two people will never get on.

'Opposites attract' is no more than a worn out cliche because we all have differences - even people who have much in common.



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