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Amaros -> RE: BDSM Saint? (9/30/2006 9:34:32 AM)
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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline
No - Merlin Stone's book is an apologia for all christian based religious mythos that has no sincere basis in historical documents except to cite previous apologist's writings from about 1800 on..
Stone or Biagent, et al.?
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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline
There might be other proof in this direction (I have not read all of the books; but, Stone's "expose" incorporates some of the more insipid and trying mythos of recent time - including the marriage of Jesus (this only goes back to the 15th century and is not directly supported by the 'Gnostic' bibles as some state is the case), the recantification of the garden of eden story using various sources that are clearly demonstrated( and in some instance stated within the source as) speculative revisionism, the movement of Mary Magdelin to France (This defys any probable reason at the time of the Romans!), etc...
Anything which might be considered additional story, he included in his book no matter how specious.
Mary Magdelene and the Mary Yeshua is alleged to have married in the Grail books are in fact two different Mary's, the latter a Hebrew princess - and migration to France hardly defies probable reason, as there were Jewish communities as far West as Ireland at the time. What defies probable reason is that the events of the synoptic gospels, second hand accounts and the earliest of which is dated some 50 years after the event are any more credible than any other documentation.
Still, I'm not interested in debating it, until conrete proof emerges wither way - meanwhile I find the myth more compelling and satisfying than the one that negates the family, and makes Joseph a cuckhold.
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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline
He does write well - but, stating that it is supportable through "European" or eastern documentation is like saying that "Ancient European Houses of Slavery dating back centuries is true - and, there is something to it if you can find the proof" (it is circular and unself-supporting in logic or historical proof).
~J
The fact remains that any Euopean Library or private collection is going to contain more source documents pertaining to European culture: diaries, correspondence, local histories, official accounts, etc., than any American library is going to contain, by the same reasoning that American libraries are more likely to contain similar documents pertaining to local history, the Westward migration, the Civil War, etc. that a European would be likely to run across in one of their libraries or private collections.
Every library usually has a room reserved for documents and books of local interest, mine does, and I bet yours does too, and they're not going to be available elsewhere except by specific request.
The events of the conscription riots related in "Gangs of New York" are largely accurate, but not typically found in generic histories, and there's a lot of other stuff that you're not going to hear in a high school, or even college level history course.
Analysis of such documents, birth and death records, local township and parish records, etc., among other things, reveal that Medieval Europe suffered from cyclic starvation over the course of centuries, that appear to have killed off as much as a third of the population at various times, an environmental disaster that dwarves the Black Plague, but is found in very few history books.
Among other things, it probobly inspired Malthus, likely led to high rates of mental illness, psychopathy, etc, among the descendents of Europeans, and contributed to the inquisitions thereby, and given them impetus (i.e., the cow goes dry because of witchcraft, not because of soil depletion) as well as increasing the incidence of ergot poisoning that caused mass hallucinations (see St. Anthony's Fire), when bread was made from spoiled rye - there are numerous accounts of this, including one from as recently as 1951.
We're talking thousands of years here, in a highly literate and literary civilizations that kept often meticulous records, extending back through Roman and Greek, as well as Hebrew and other Medditerranian and Middle Eastern civilizations, as well as archeological evidence of their activities.
The accounts of the synoptic gospels appear to occur in a vacuum of cultural and historic isolation - this was patently not the case.
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