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allthatjaz -> Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 12:20:59 AM)

From living in a city center within a short distance from some of London's best clubs and constant access to the scene, we suddenly find ourselves living amongst fields of corn with nobody around for miles. We have no conventional play spaces, nothing familiar apart from an unopened suitcase of BDSM tools.
Suddenly all those conventional things seem unimportant and yet the lifestyle goes on stronger and much more intense. A switch from a tree seems far more attractive than a purpose made cane. Being chased across the fields is far more fun than being chased around a dungeon.
Clearly our BDSM has become very organic and much more real to us and even in the short time we have been here, we both know we never want to go back to a purpose made dungeon environment.
We have spent years collecting the latest 'must have floggers, whips, ropes... you name it' all of which now lie dormant for the first time in years. When we look at it we both agree that it all looks a bit silly and out of context.

Be interesting to know if any of you have been through a similar change because of your environment?
How important or unimportant are tools of the trade?




Fitznicely -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 1:11:43 AM)

I'll be the first to get the obvious answer out of the way....

Tools of the trade don't matter a jot. I can have as much fun with just my hands as I can with rooms full of the best kit. Our play is 90% mind, 10% toys, changing to 100% mind when it matters [:)]

I'm doing my best not to envy you!




MistressRouge -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 2:08:13 AM)

Nettles, fresh ginger, chillies, thistles I enjoy inflicting organic painful sensations [:D]

I am with you Jazz, about the great outdoors, nothing beats that. I do miss my previous chambers location, I even had a whipping tree, no neighbours, and fields adjacent all around. I miss that venue :(




littlewonder -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 3:35:15 AM)

They don't matter at all to me. Sure they can be fun but it's his power over me that matters and really..all I need for that is his mind.




xiam -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 4:44:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

Be interesting to know if any of you have been through a similar change because of your environment?
How important or unimportant are tools of the trade?


Not because of environment, per se, but as i get older and am better able to formulate what i want, i loose more and more interest in toys.  Still fun from time to time, but for me, i have realized they can be more of a barrier to intimacy than anything else.  There's something special about just a man's hands, his voice, the look in his eyes... not to mention that little shiver of anticipation when he pulls off his belt, wondering if it will land on the chair or perhaps somewhere else! (wink)

Elaborate scenes, toys, etc can leave me feeling a bit off kilter and surreal.  Without them, i feel like i'm not pretending as much as showing my true nature to the man who i love.




DesFIP -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 4:45:09 AM)

We're not big on play equipment except for enough rope. Beyond that, most of the stuff is from kitchen stores, hardware stores, dollar stores. Wooden spoons from the grocery store are cheap and easily available when traveling. A handful of scarves can be tossed into a suitcase, takes up almost no room, serves as blindfold, gag and restraints. The rest of it is in his mind and hands.




slaveluci -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 4:50:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz
From living in a city center within a short distance from some of London's best clubs and constant access to the scene, we suddenly find ourselves living amongst fields of corn with nobody around for miles.
Sounds like heaven to me[:)]
quote:

We have no conventional play spaces, nothing familiar apart from an unopened suitcase of BDSM tools.
Suddenly all those conventional things seem unimportant and yet the lifestyle goes on stronger and much more intense. A switch from a tree seems far more attractive than a purpose made cane. Being chased across the fields is far more fun than being chased around a dungeon.

This is how we have felt from the beginning - no "change" requred. "Conventional play spaces" and "dungeons" and all the latest toys were never required or necessarily desired. They're fine "tools," I'm sure and I like the ones we have but none of them have ever been needed for us to be satisfied. So "organic" is what that's called, eh? Nice[;)]







GYPZYQUEEN -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 5:14:02 AM)

HOW WONDERFUL FOR YOU..!!

This is the type situation I came from..and had lived in for many years..a POLY home on an acerage for 15 years. I am now in the city.

ON the acerage is was so much more natural and loved as a lifestyle..and it is more real as you say...because you LIVE in a private environment that needs no set up..
 
We played a lot outside...had paths in the trees..tents...and old log house...tree stumps..wood furniture..saw horses..;

a 60' pole shed that still had goat stalls..tethers..metal rings where horses had been tied..
There was even a huge chain thing with a hook from the roof that had been used to lift motors..from vehicles..all these things were just naturally incorperated.
The clothes line was used even..where I used to cinch d...naked ...

There were old graineries to be tied to and flogged with switches from the trees right there..and we played in the garden..then lay beneath the clouds after..

It was YEARS before I had an actual flogger and or any BDSM things you see now in film or shops...or even had a name for what we lived..

as "tools".. I used my hands..feet..body..
I had rope..twine..chain..willow..( the "go cut your own spank stick" kind)..
thistles..trees..sheets from the clothes line..old buildings with heavy door frames..and timbers beams..logs...a bridge over a creek ( fun)...
A fav was a huge threashing machine belt...about 4" wide and thick..great usage from it..
once I used chicken wire and covered *d on a plywood sheet and stapled it around..he was basicaily caged on the spot
There was also an old rabbit hutch...use your imagination

THE MAIN tool you need is your mind.

oh my I miss it..[:o].and thought of writing a book...you could too..Going Green ..
or Screw the Roses ..Give ME the CORNFIELDS
..do keep a journal and keep us posted...

and am so happy[:)] you have this...freedom...peace..security..FUN..
 
GQ




agirl -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 6:32:31 AM)

Horses for courses and all that...having come from where you are now.

Without under-estimating and appreciating the *dungeon* thing ...it's always seemed a bit contrived to me...a little like a stage. I can imagine it'd be fun on occasion because it'd be *different*.

I wouldn't knock the *tools* we have , mostly because they all have some kind of history and significance, and are there because of that. Anything that doesn't *do it* gathers dust and is never any loss.

agirl






pompeii -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 7:49:57 AM)

In high school, I started out organically, i.e., outdoors, for my ad hoc toys as it allowed more privacy than anything else; back in my college days, in those dire impromptu moments where she was resting on the bed, anything handy became a tool of the trade (scarves, belts, pants hangers, etc.); later on, I deliberately found Petco and Dom Depot and West Marine had great collars, clamps, ropes, respectively ... but after all that, nothing really beats a well thought out professionally made collar, blindfold, cuff, nipple clamp, etc. from a local boutique.




allthatjaz -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 8:12:43 AM)

Thanks for all your replies.

Mistress Rouge your always welcome to bring you and yours here for a few days if you don't mind staying in a Tepee! Imagine OWK but without all the clap trap.

xiam said... Elaborate scenes, toys, etc can leave me feeling a bit off kilter and surreal. Without them, i feel like i'm not pretending as much as showing my true nature to the man who i love.
Thats exactly how we feel.

Fitznicely your right about the mind. Our lifestyle is very much based on the mind at the best of times, even when we are amidst a dungeon full of toys but we always get round to using them because they are their.

Gypsyqueen your life sounded amazing. How could you leave all of that behind?




Padriag -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 8:23:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

Be interesting to know if any of you have been through a similar change because of your environment?
How important or unimportant are tools of the trade?

I've had more or less the exact opposite experience, but with a similar outcome.  I've never lived near major clubs or that sort of thing.  For me, going to a club or even a munch group meant a drive of usually an hour or more... it was very inconvenient and for the most part I ignored it.  Almost all my early experiences were done with homemade items contrived from my own imagination and crafted with my own hands.  Or else I used impromptu things... a wooden spoon from the kitchen, a bit of rope from the shop, an old worn belt, and so forth.  Sometimes I used nothing at all, except my barehand, my voice, my own disposition.

So when I did finally venture forth to explore what limited "clubs" there were, I entered quietly enough and dressed in my normal street clothes... and found myself amid what seemed like either a leather convention or goth convention.  Everyone else either had their best "I've done this forever" attitude on, or else was oohing and aahing over all the fancy equipment and how much it must have cost.  Me, I was thinking how overpriced most of the stuff was an how easy most of it would be to build myself in my own shop, a fact I soon discovered some didn't appreciate my mentioning.  I found myself very much a fish out of water.  To me, all those props didn't matter... to them, they weren't props, they were badges of status.  We just didn't see eye to eye.  I left and I've never been back to a club or event since.

Ironically enough, a few years later I was hired to design and build a private dungeon for a club someone intended to open.  Although I never got to build it (their financing fell through I was told), the design was to have faux stone walls, electric torch lights, an assortment of chains and such attached to the walls, rough hewn wooden beams on the ceiling with heavy eye bolts (blacked) for suspending various things and so forth.  So a guy who doesn't much care for all that stuff, ends up designing a very elaborate dungeon.  An most of all that "fancy" stuff, would have come from Lowes and Sherwin Williams.

Life's funny.




DesFIP -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 11:15:31 AM)

One thing I will say is that outdoor play here is too risky, not because of privacy as I have lots, but because of poison ivy. The damned stuff grows everywhere. And we're both too allergic to it after multiple exposures to want to risk it again. We both require steroids, ten day course of prednisone, to deal with it these days.




DavanKael -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 11:43:13 AM)

Congratulations on your change of environment and on enjoying it so much!  :> 
Things that feel organic and comfortable are a preference of mine.  Even the items I own tend toward the natural. 
Dynamics, thought-processes, connection supplant any device, for sure!  :>
  Davan




allthatjaz -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 11:51:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Padriag

quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

Be interesting to know if any of you have been through a similar change because of your environment?
How important or unimportant are tools of the trade?

I've had more or less the exact opposite experience, but with a similar outcome.  I've never lived near major clubs or that sort of thing.  For me, going to a club or even a munch group meant a drive of usually an hour or more... it was very inconvenient and for the most part I ignored it.  Almost all my early experiences were done with homemade items contrived from my own imagination and crafted with my own hands.  Or else I used impromptu things... a wooden spoon from the kitchen, a bit of rope from the shop, an old worn belt, and so forth.  Sometimes I used nothing at all, except my barehand, my voice, my own disposition.

So when I did finally venture forth to explore what limited "clubs" there were, I entered quietly enough and dressed in my normal street clothes... and found myself amid what seemed like either a leather convention or goth convention.  Everyone else either had their best "I've done this forever" attitude on, or else was oohing and aahing over all the fancy equipment and how much it must have cost.  Me, I was thinking how overpriced most of the stuff was an how easy most of it would be to build myself in my own shop, a fact I soon discovered some didn't appreciate my mentioning.  I found myself very much a fish out of water.  To me, all those props didn't matter... to them, they weren't props, they were badges of status.  We just didn't see eye to eye.  I left and I've never been back to a club or event since.

Ironically enough, a few years later I was hired to design and build a private dungeon for a club someone intended to open.  Although I never got to build it (their financing fell through I was told), the design was to have faux stone walls, electric torch lights, an assortment of chains and such attached to the walls, rough hewn wooden beams on the ceiling with heavy eye bolts (blacked) for suspending various things and so forth.  So a guy who doesn't much care for all that stuff, ends up designing a very elaborate dungeon.  An most of all that "fancy" stuff, would have come from Lowes and Sherwin Williams.

Life's funny.


The highlighted bit made me laugh. I used to go out with someone who made dungeon furniture and he fitted out a few of the London clubs. He would get very upset if someone said 'I could make one of those'!!

I think if your asked to make or design a dungeon for money then its different. If your going to earn some money then work is work.
I can understand how your mind would of worked when suddenly faced with all the specially made stuff, especially after making do (in my opinion much better) before finding it all.




ZenDragoness -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 1:41:25 PM)

Firstly i want to express how beautiful your post was for me to read. I wish the both of you many more happy organic bdsm moments or hours.

Many years ago, i was talking with a friend of mine, who was heavy into fetishism and he said:

Ah, you Ruth, you can't understand me, you with your Feld(Field), Wald(Wood) and Wiesen(meadows) s/m. I asked him to elaborate his remark and he explained, due to that i had no connection to the scene(lifestyle) by choice because 20 years ago black, latex and leather were mandatory, i had an own style of s/m using whatever comes my way. And i had no money as a student to buy me expensive things, so i was more creative. And - and that was the core - of what he meant, i grew up in the country and at heart i am a country girl. For me nothing beats being outside in the woods with somebody.




antipode -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 6:00:05 PM)

quote:

Be interesting to know if any of you have been through a similar change because of your environment?
How important or unimportant are tools of the trade?


Woof. You have a sister?

After too many years in concrete jungles, I finally took the plunge and bought a large house on five wooded acres (an hour from the airport, don't want to get real withdrawal). For the first time in my life, I have a completely dedicated daylight playspace (sod "dungeons", I gotta see what I am doing), tiled 'n all, which gives onto my very own woods. Hehe. Point is only, you have to have time to put it to use, which I do now. All came about because I asked a friend if he minded if I played on his farm.. rather liked the experience, their binoculars are probably still cooling off.

So yes, unequivocally.




Delphinus -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 7:10:27 PM)

For me, fun is so much more fun outdoors.  The sun on your body, the wind getting...well...everywhere, the serenity of the natural world that might be in direct contrast to activities engaged in...being outside heightens everything for me.  




Joseff -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 7:23:01 PM)

I live on five acres in the woods. I grew up here, and there's still some magic around, left over from that time. I still have the toys, still use 'em too, but this place is a part of me, and no matter what I do, its just better here.




ShaharThorne -> RE: Organic BDSM (6/2/2009 7:29:13 PM)

I like sneaking off to a secret place in the woods and just run around naked. The beezes were great then!




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