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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 10:36:44 AM   
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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 10:38:01 AM   
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I just can't help but question the sanity or intelligence of a comment like "they can't be trusted with tasers." We trust them with GUNS....LETHAL FIREARMS THAT MAKE YOU DEAD.......but we can't trust them with NON-LETHAL tasers? Give me a break.


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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 10:49:54 AM   
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NON-LETHAL tasers? Give me a break.


They are NOT NON-LETHAL.  Tazers can kill and have killed people.  It's people like yourself that make ME shake my head in disbelief.  It's been widely argued and shown in studies that devices like Tazers and pepper-spray cause police officers to overly-rely on them for conflict resolution.  Instead of police officers using their negotiation skills, they reach for their Tazer or pepper-spray under the erroneous belief that these devices are non-lethal, which they are not.  They can kill, and they have. 

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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 11:01:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		tazers have less chance of killing a person than a gun does.
eta:  the stupid cow was antagonizing the officer.  I think he did the right thing.


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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 11:59:43 AM   
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tazers have less chance of killing a person than a gun does.
eta:  the stupid cow was antagonizing the officer.  I think he did the right thing.

i agree with this.


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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 12:02:24 PM   
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NON-LETHAL tasers? Give me a break.


They are NOT NON-LETHAL.  Tazers can kill and have killed people.  It's people like yourself that make ME shake my head in disbelief.  It's been widely argued and shown in studies that devices like Tazers and pepper-spray cause police officers to overly-rely on them for conflict resolution.  Instead of police officers using their negotiation skills, they reach for their Tazer or pepper-spray under the erroneous belief that these devices are non-lethal, which they are not.  They can kill, and they have. 
How easy it is for you to say that, Slaveboy...it is not your ass on the line, is it?



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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 12:29:13 PM   
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How easy it is for you to say that, Slaveboy...it is not your ass on the line, is it?


You're right, Holly.  The police should be able to do whatever the hell they feel like.  If anyone complains, they can throw out that tired argument, "It's not your ass on the line!"  Fuck the Constitution, all it does is expose the prima donnas in our nation's law enforcement agencies to the possibility of getting hurt (something they voluntarily signed up to do).  If you walk by a crowd of cops putting the boots to some poor bastard, you better not question it.  After all, it's not your ass on the line.  Sometimes, they need 10 cops to beat the fuck out of someone.  If the police pull you over and demand to do a body cavity search, you should just bend over and spread your cheeks.  It's the least you can do to assist these brave men and women as they combat 70 year old ladies in the streets,  If a paramilitary garbed, Gestapo-esque thugs fuck up the address and kick your door down in the middle of the night, you should be thankful.  Hell, they could have been looking for a vicious pot dealer.  Let's continue to turn our entire country into a gigantic prison. 


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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 12:30:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been tasered and I have had a cop beat my ass to the ground to cuff me
guess which one I prefer
I have also dealt with bad cops, I had one beat the hell out of me and arrest me because I made his daughter cry (I said no when she asked me to a dance, I even said it nicely, I was already going with someone else)

Given the choice I will take the taser EVERY TIME

I still have a busted rib from being taken down hard by a cop, I deserved it, but in hindsight I really wish he would have tasered me

I may not be a 72 year old woman, but I would hope that by the time someone reaches that age they realize that acting like a jackass to a cop is a good way to be hurt.

yeah slaveboy, your right, they volenteered to be shot at by meth heads, to run down serial killers and rapists, those assholes, how dare they become a cop and god help us try to protect society from it's worst members

tell ya what, next time there is a meth lab in my neighborhood Ill just call you over to handle it, you dont mind right?

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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 12:34:50 PM   
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NON-LETHAL tasers? Give me a break.


They are NOT NON-LETHAL.  Tazers can kill and have killed people.  It's people like yourself that make ME shake my head in disbelief.  It's been widely argued and shown in studies that devices like Tazers and pepper-spray cause police officers to overly-rely on them for conflict resolution.  Instead of police officers using their negotiation skills, they reach for their Tazer or pepper-spray under the erroneous belief that these devices are non-lethal, which they are not.  They can kill, and they have. 
How easy it is for you to say that, Slaveboy...it is not your ass on the line, is it?




This brings us back to the officer going to the driver door- not the passenger door.

I agree that there is a potential for over reliance.   Tazer is "less lethal".  

ANyhow - the cam showed us what happened- less 37 seconds.     The officer requests were reasonable and customary. 

As to the cam I am not alarmed over this officer.    His body language and verbal commands were in line with his duty.  

....tho it still brings us back to the drivers side door.   

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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 12:50:06 PM   
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Given the choice I will take the taser EVERY TIME


If you had a heart condition, you wouldn't think this.

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yeah slaveboy, your right, they volenteered to be shot at by meth heads, to run down serial killers and rapists, those assholes, how dare they become a cop and god help us try to protect society from it's worst members

tell ya what, next time there is a meth lab in my neighborhood Ill just call you over to handle it, you dont mind right?


Like I said, I guess we should just let them do whatever they feel necessary.  The whole idea of a civilian controlled police force is just a hindrance to these "street warriors."  How dare any citizen ever lodge a complaint!  It may sound like a cliche heard on every testerone-fueled cop show, but they put their lives on the line everyday!  No one but the cops risk death on the job, NOONE!  The police are the only people that take risks.  All of us out here with our cushy, safe jobs should just shut the fuck up. 

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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 12:56:00 PM   
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Given the choice I will take the taser EVERY TIME


If you had a heart condition, you wouldn't think this.

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yeah slaveboy, your right, they volenteered to be shot at by meth heads, to run down serial killers and rapists, those assholes, how dare they become a cop and god help us try to protect society from it's worst members

tell ya what, next time there is a meth lab in my neighborhood Ill just call you over to handle it, you dont mind right?


Like I said, I guess we should just let them do whatever they feel necessary.  The whole idea of a civilian controlled police force is just a hindrance to these "street warriors."  How dare any citizen ever lodge a complaint!  It may sound like a cliche heard on every testerone-fueled cop show, but they put their lives on the line everyday!  No one but the cops risk death on the job, NOONE!  The police are the only people that take risks.  All of us out here with our cushy, safe jobs should just shut the fuck up. 


The biggest worry I have in my day to day job is the soda machine being out of Dr Pepper

Not being shot and killed when pulling someone over
Little bit of a difference?

Nobody is saying that there should be no oversite, so unbunch your panties and actually pay attention, the difference is where that line should be drawn, and how far you should push someone, if she acted like that towards most normal people there would be an issue. But I suppose you dont care how much of an ass people act like when they get pulled over

Would you have felt better if he let her go instead? maybe let her run out into the street as she already tried? or get back in her car, continue speeding and run over some poor street worker?

yeah, thats a much better plan

Or maybe he should have just shoved her to the ground and cuffed her, Im sure her old lady bones would have handled that just fine
tell ya what, what would you, in your seemingly endless wisdom have done?


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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 1:12:36 PM   
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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 1:21:13 PM   
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Not being shot and killed when pulling someone over
Little bit of a difference?


You're right.  Coal miners, high-wire electrical workers, those construction guys you see walking girders on buildings, fishermen, cab drivers, convenient store clerks are all just pussies.  The cops know REAL danger.  Street warriors I calls 'em. 

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Nobody is saying that there should be no oversite, so unbunch your panties and actually pay attention, the difference is where that line should be drawn, and how far you should push someone, if she acted like that towards most normal people there would be an issue. But I suppose you dont care how much of an ass people act like when they get pulled over

Would you have felt better if he let her go instead? maybe let her run out into the street as she already tried? or get back in her car, continue speeding and run over some poor street worker?


I never said she didn't act like a 1st class jackass.  I really don't care that she was tazered.  My problem is with many on here and their use of cliches and gung-ho attitudes towards the police.  For some reason, there are many people that believe the police are heroes that do no wrong.  It's perfectly reasonable for citizens to express concern in incidents like this.  Tazers have been and are abused by police officers all over the country.  It's an easy out for police that feel their ego crushed by resistant citizens.  The majority of police officers I have ran into over the course of my life seem to think we citizens have no right to question them or disagree with them. 

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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 1:23:00 PM   
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when I wasnt sure what happened I wondered if maybe he went too far, after, there was no doubt :D

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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 3:04:35 PM   
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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 3:16:52 PM   
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How easy it is for you to say that, Slaveboy...it is not your ass on the line, is it?


You're right, Holly.  The police should be able to do whatever the hell they feel like.  If anyone complains, they can throw out that tired argument, "It's not your ass on the line!"  Fuck the Constitution, all it does is expose the prima donnas in our nation's law enforcement agencies to the possibility of getting hurt (something they voluntarily signed up to do).  If you walk by a crowd of cops putting the boots to some poor bastard, you better not question it.  After all, it's not your ass on the line.  Sometimes, they need 10 cops to beat the fuck out of someone.  If the police pull you over and demand to do a body cavity search, you should just bend over and spread your cheeks.  It's the least you can do to assist these brave men and women as they combat 70 year old ladies in the streets,  If a paramilitary garbed, Gestapo-esque thugs fuck up the address and kick your door down in the middle of the night, you should be thankful.  Hell, they could have been looking for a vicious pot dealer.  Let's continue to turn our entire country into a gigantic prison. 


you have admitted in the past that you have had several run-ins with the police....and you lost each one.

Your prejudice toward the police is obvious and really laughable.

While you sit there and criticize..there are some of us who thank God for them  Certainly there are those who deserve the criticism, but they are few and far between. Yes they should have tazers, night sticks and guns. They do a job that puts them at risk every day.




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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 5:22:17 PM   
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Do you think your take has to do with your previously-mentioned bad experiences?


Not so much, but I suspect my need to express my perspective does, at least in part. Those experiences broke the delusion that police officers are always right, always honest, are always ‘just doing their job’, but other than just a couple times (not directly involving me as a suspect); my experiences involving police haven’t been unbareable.

My ability to detect aggression is part experience and part innate nature. All I have done is pointed out that it is there, and being carried out by both parties. The fact that others appear unable or refuse to see it, bewilders me.

I’m not suggesting he loses his badge, is suspended, or even that Grams has a case against him; only that it could have been handled better, and if the situation was handled according to training/policy, then I feel there should be changes.

The comparison to a Rottweiler and a miniature poodle was about size and bark; nothing else. I happen to think Rottweiler’s are very majestic animals, while miniature poodles are more apt to be ankle bitters.

To be honest, there are a few different reasons the situation is bothering me, but little of it has to do with the officer in question, other than realizing, what I perceive as his inability to keep this particular situation under control, mirrors my own inability at times.

A bigger issue is the reporting; its stacked. I had to strain to hear what was being said, because the reporter is running her mouth during some of the crucial moments. Also, I’m rather annoyed that they cut the part of the tape where, most likely, the real cause of her being tazered began, and then expecting me to believe because the women says it’s so. I just want to scream at the monitor “Shut the fuck up bitch, I don’t need you to tell me what I should think!”

And then there’s this…
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"What.....we've got here....is.....failure....to communicate. Some... you just can't reach. So, you get what we had here last week. Which is the way she wants it. Well....she GETS it. I don't like it anymore than you do."

It wasn’t failure to communicate, it was failure on her behalf to obey, and the statement above implies ‘she made him do it’. If the excuse is acceptable for police officers, why not everyone else?

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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 5:26:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Slaveboy, if you notice, most of us have said that this officer acted properly.  I dropped the bullshit flag over the automatic supposition that the cop was in the wrong.  I also call bullshit on all of those trying to nitpick where he was standing and all the other tiny little elements that are actually irrelevant. 
If the evidence had shown the cop to be acting like an asshat, I would have said, "Fire the fucker!"  Too many people are too quick to assume that a cop is automatically in the wrong.  If we would learn to wait for the evidence to come out before we try someone in our minds, the world would be a lot more stress free.

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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 6:14:41 PM   
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The double standard that people can do anything to cops and security personnel but that those men and women in the uniforms can't do anything is why I don't ever want to wear a badge again.  I wanted for most of my early life to become a cop to help people.  What I found out was that people only want a cop when they are in trouble and then they will still try to make up a reason that the cop did something wrong.  


That is not my belief, nor did I say such a thing. Did I miss her doing something to him; besides what might be on the missing footage?

I wanted for most of my early life to become a cop to help people. What I found out was that people only want a cop when they are in trouble and then they will still try to make up a reason that the cop did something wrong.

I think it’s a two way street, Knight. The nature of the beast creates the reality; those who appreciate the efforts of the honorable most, are the ones they are least likely to have to deal with. I can see how it could/does become overbearing.

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I've seen good cops, helped get rid of a few bad cops, and I've even seen cops that were too lazy to do their jobs.  I still don't think its necessarily always the cop in the wrong.  We tend to jump to that conclusion too fast.

Six of one, half dozen of the other; somewhere in between, is where we stand together. (that last part just came to me)

I didn’t feel a need to point out where grams went wrong; kinda thought that was obvious. Sort of wondering what on God’s green Earth, would make a miniature poodle think that taking on a Rottweiler is a good idea, especially one toting a taser, and obviously not afraid to use it.

Is there something on that tape that would bring reasonable light to her proclaiming “take me to jail!”, or is she just delusional, and perhaps should not even have a license to drive?

I don’t know.

Kim
p.s. Last speeding ticket at age 17, I was sited for doing 35 in a 30, I was actually doing 30 in a 25; 5 over is 5 over, I paid it.


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RE: Granny tasers in TX~! - 6/12/2009 6:17:31 PM   
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If the evidence had shown the cop to be acting like an asshat, I would have said, "Fire the fucker!" 


Real good reason for people not to admit they could have done better.

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