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Is Sotomayor a Racist?

No. Only white people can be racists.

9% (3)

If you see color and gender you are.

38% (12)

She is right. Old white men have no clue.

22% (7)

She should apologize for her comments.

19% (6)

She should attend sensitivity training.

9% (3)

Total Votes : 31

(last vote on : 6/20/2009 2:26:30 PM)
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Mezrem -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/3/2009 5:46:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Definitely out of context. The portion cited makes it patently clear that she is referring solely to discrimination, and that someone who has never been discriminated against may well discount it. Re her comments that although the 1964 Civil Rights Act made gender discrimination illegal, the Supreme Court did not uphold that law in a gender discrimination suit until 8 years later. So because I'm thought of as white (I'm a mutt btw) I don't know about disrimination against me, are you kidding me? I have encountered hate in every segment of the population. This is one of those arguments though that burns me. I tell the same thing to people who have told me "I don't have a problem with _____ people, I just don't want my daughter dating them or to have them in my home." It's raceism how ever you cut it and I still say if we where speaking about this quote from a white man.. he would have been sent howling like a beat dog off the public stage.

LotusSong -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/3/2009 8:50:27 AM)
quote: It's raceism how ever you cut it and I still say if we where speaking about this quote from a white man.. he would have been sent howling like a beat dog off the public stage. Exactly. Here is a test to see if one's comment is racist.. take the comment that contains the race, gender and or sexuality indication and insert "white", "caucasian" or "European", "male"/"female", "het/gay" there and re-read it. If you are offended.. it probably is. You will find in short order that none of us are immune to bigotry, however unintentional. You cannot ellicet equality by exalting oneself over another. "Choose your enemies wisely, for you will become like them".

philosophy -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/3/2009 10:53:58 AM)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090603/ap_on_go_su_co/us_sotomayor_supreme_court ...apparently Newt Gringrich doesn't think she's a racist.

Mezrem -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/3/2009 11:44:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090603/ap_on_go_su_co/us_sotomayor_supreme_court ...apparently Newt Gringrich doesn't think she's a racist. um this is the same Newt who was drummed out of congress yeah? I would guess he does but is afraid of being run off again. Just assumption on my part. I guess I'm lucky that I pass as a white man.. but I know for a fact if I went in and told the folks at my office I was better at _____ then a person of color I would in the least get "councled" if not terminated. Are we to expect less from a woman who wants a life time appointment?

thornhappy -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/3/2009 3:06:01 PM)
It was a unanimous opinion; the other 2 judges were white males. So they didn't think it was equal rights? quote: ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1 Coming from a place of experience only makes one more emotional, and I wouldn't want someone judging from emotion over the law. Experience is fine and all, but law is the law. There is no "coloring" the law. She did decide against a group of white firefighters getting promotions because they scored high enough on the test, but no minorities scored high enough. That does not help her case. That is not equal rights.

DesFIP -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/3/2009 5:44:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mezrem quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Definitely out of context. The portion cited makes it patently clear that she is referring solely to discrimination, and that someone who has never been discriminated against may well discount it. Re her comments that although the 1964 Civil Rights Act made gender discrimination illegal, the Supreme Court did not uphold that law in a gender discrimination suit until 8 years later. So because I'm thought of as white (I'm a mutt btw) I don't know about disrimination against me, are you kidding me? I have encountered hate in every segment of the population. This is one of those arguments though that burns me. I tell the same thing to people who have told me "I don't have a problem with _____ people, I just don't want my daughter dating them or to have them in my home." It's raceism how ever you cut it and I still say if we where speaking about this quote from a white man.. he would have been sent howling like a beat dog off the public stage. Are you on the Supreme Court? Because that's who she was referring to. She referred specifically to Supreme Court Justices of past and present and their rulings re prejudice. If you aren't one of the people she cited, a Supreme Court Justice, then her comments are not applicable to you.

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/3/2009 9:35:40 PM)
What is the point of a poll that offers no choices other than different levels of the same view? Where is the options for people who dont believe she said anything racist, though she may have phrased her thoughts wrong?

Mezrem -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/4/2009 5:00:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Are you on the Supreme Court? Because that's who she was referring to. She referred specifically to Supreme Court Justices of past and present and their rulings re prejudice. If you aren't one of the people she cited, a Supreme Court Justice, then her comments are not applicable to you. Ok so let me make sure I have this right.. because it's not at me and some other white guy... I should not be worried. I will have to remember that and not get involved the next time I hear some idiot spewing slurs at an African-American, gay man or any other minority. After all if it's not directed at me then it's none of my business. No wait I am suposed to stand against things because they are wrong. Racism is evil, ignorant and base.. we have all seen what it can do to once reasonable people. Yet we are to ignore the signs of it when it happens outside of the "white" comunity? Sorry that just does not pass the smell test.

LotusSong -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/4/2009 3:30:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr What is the point of a poll that offers no choices other than different levels of the same view? Where is the options for people who dont believe she said anything racist, though she may have phrased her thoughts wrong? That's why one is able to post their own individual thoughts to the poll. It is impossible to cover all the abstracts. So feel free to post what you feel is a good observation or comment to the initial question. Is she being racist? If so why..if not, why not.

Musicmystery -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/4/2009 3:42:28 PM)
Lotus, The poll is, though, clearly loaded questioning. Is there no difference between racism and advocacy? Is there no allowance for discriminating judgement, like estimating an older person will have more experience than someone younger? Your poll just allows takers to choose their particular false dilemma and display their own bias. In short, it sheds no real light on the original question.

LotusSong -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/4/2009 4:18:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Lotus, The poll is, though, clearly loaded questioning. Is there no difference between racism and advocacy? Is there no allowance for discriminating judgement, like estimating an older person will have more experience than someone younger? Your poll just allows takers to choose their particular false dilemma and display their own bias. In short, it sheds no real light on the original question. A poster posts from their own perspective. These were thoughts I had in my head and posted what I did to get some kind of discussion started. No one is holding a gun to the head of those here to participate in the poll as given. Now that you have taken your shot.. what constructive thing do you have to add to the questions posed or questions you have concerning the situation? If you were to venture a poll then.. what questions would you have posed?

Mezrem -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/4/2009 4:37:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Lotus, The poll is, though, clearly loaded questioning. Is there no difference between racism and advocacy? Is there no allowance for discriminating judgement, like estimating an older person will have more experience than someone younger? Your poll just allows takers to choose their particular false dilemma and display their own bias. In short, it sheds no real light on the original question. the use of race to establish and justify a social hierarchy and system of power that privileges, preferences or advances certain individuals or groups of people usually at the expense of others. There is of course a difference between racism and advocacy. The point in question comes from the statement by Sotomayor that she is some how more qualified because she is a latina and not a white man. Is she a raist.. and I have not answered this question I believe in an out and out fashion. My answer would be I don't know if she is or is not. She may have just had a poor choice of words. The point remains that those words came out of her mouth. I understand the argument of context that some wish to use. The problem comes that if it was said by a white man then he would be a piara. Others would make sure they he was drummed out of public life without the chances we are expected to give Sotomayor. There is no doubt that Sotomayor may be a good judge. There is nothing wrong if she wishes to be an advocet for her comunity. However if she wishes to have an advocacy agenda then the high court is not the place for it. For years and years white people held people of color down. They held them there and told each other that they where better, smarter. This was wrong then and it's wrong now, no matter the color of the skin of the person doing it.

Musicmystery -> RE: Is Sotomayor a Racist? (6/4/2009 4:54:40 PM)
quote: Now that you have taken your shot.. what constructive thing do you have to add to the questions posed or questions you have concerning the situation? If you were to venture a poll then.. what questions would you have posed? No, not intended as a shot. For instance---on collarme, I look for women. Am I sexist?

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