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RE: How to work with an emotionally damaged slave - 2/10/2006 9:18:12 PM   
MsSonnetMarwood


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i am asking questions.
how in hell am i supposed to know which road is which if i dont know which way you are pointing?


Then ask a question. Politely. Without going off into a rant and accusing people of being "namby pamby" or of being a snob or not knowing what they are talking about.

Questions asked sincerely and politely get answered. Questions asked with nastiness and attitude and accompanied by derogatory remarks don't.

But I'll agree with you on one thing - you are best on ignore. Ciao.


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RE: How to work with an emotionally damaged slave - 2/10/2006 10:54:10 PM   
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But I'll agree with you on one thing - you are best on ignore. Ciao.

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but it's SO much more fun when ya have 20 i.d.'s to use..............................ha ha ha ha ha


Somehow I think this new ID won't last very long. And your posting style isn't exactly one you can hide with any success.

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RE: How to work with an emotionally damaged slave - 2/10/2006 11:05:51 PM   
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i have enough trouble keeping track of ONE ID...anymore than that and my head would spin like Linda Blair's in The Exorcist...LOL

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RE: How to work with an emotionally damaged slave - 2/11/2006 8:16:20 PM   
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I have found "The Wounded Spirit" to be most helpful.

...Along with:

...a 5 lb. bucket of glue to piece a wounded sub together with time and time again,

...and an endless supply of patience.

TexasMaam

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RE: How to work with an emotionally damaged slave - 2/12/2006 10:53:30 AM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren
Going from the posts I've read, I get the impression of someone who is so emotional crippled that he hates everyone different and everyone who has managed to work their way beyond a narcissistic child-like stage because they can appreciate the kind of human contact and interaction that seems to be beyond his ability.
This sort of "I'll tell you I hate you before you get close enough to hate me" isn't all that uncommon. The inability to use the board's quoting mechanism is interesting since the system is quite intuitive and user-friendly, but my feeling is that, while it may be a competence-based predicament, it is more likely a juvenile attempt at acting out.

However, he doesn't seem dangerous or harmful to anyone, with the exception of himself and his own reputation. Because of this I've had his posts on block for quite a while. Recently, I made an exception in order to confirm that one had the degree if bigotry and racism that seemed to have triggered the replies that I could see. Sadly, the replies seemed to be an accurate reflection of the original post so I returned to my previous protocol.

In short, block is your friend in this case, MsSonnetMarwood. I recommend its use as your considerable insight can be used more profitably to help others on this board


i cant say i appreciate all of your posts either but i certainly do not lay you or anyone else out here to waste because i do not agree with you or because you might piss me off.

i had no idea that a narcissistic child like stage was so prevalent in this society that your average child had to work their way past it. Do tell us more about where you got all that from.

Just what makes you think it is beyond her ability to use the quoting system? i suppose just because she is DIFFERENT you equate that to incompetance.

"I'll tell you I hate you before you get close enough to hate me" i think that applies to some posters here too.

i also think veronica identifies as a she or did i miss something?

well there john i have read back as far as i could in veronicas posts and i cannot find anything that appears to be bigotry and racism unless you have some alternative definition for it.

So back up what you want us to believe and post exactly what you are talking about since you are willing to make those accusations! Hint: now is a good time to block me too! of course that would only serve to prove my point.

rgds,
r1



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RE: How to work with an emotionally damaged slave - 2/12/2006 11:33:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ShivaTS

I read a post and a Mistress mentioned she was working with a damaged sub. That got me thinking about my own "damage" and would like to try to work through it, myself. I didnt really realise this till a Mistress messeged me saying I was under consideration and in the end rejected me for my limits. I am very shaken one because she rejected me and two, because I would be terrified to be under the grip of a domme again. The compulsion to serve is so deep that I have begun a regiment to better myself so I am more pleasing to a Master/Mistress and to abolish my limits that I have created. In truth, a Mistress is a hard limit for me at this point. Im not looking for "go see a shrink". I would like real suggestions.

What are your experiences in working with subs/slaves that have been scared emotionally and what has worked for you in fixing that?

Shiva, many times the seemingly obvious is often just a phantom and the real source of a problem is indirect and not so obvious.

If you wish i would be happy to assist you in any way i can, and if it is beyond me i do have 2 close shrink friends that i can ask for advice or may even be willing to help if i ask them.

Sometimes issues like this can seem unsurmountable and the only way to get beyond them in a healthy manner is it pick away at understanding them. You have taken the first step with the realization that you need to do something about it. Cheers you on!

To email me You cannot click on my name on the forum here because it does not work, but if you go to the home page just type in real pick mine and send a private message and i would be happy to talk with you in depth and help where i can.

rgds,
r1


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RE: How to work with an emotionally damaged slave - 2/12/2006 11:46:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyV

I guess you could say I work with damaged subs. Though if they read this I will deny saying that. :)

I don't like to think of people as damaged. For me.. its destructive thinking. Everyone has baggage and things that set them off or limits.. or things they don't like.. things they do like.. For me.. calling yourself "damaged" is much like someone with one leg saying they're a worthless cripple.

Wounds of any kind take time to heal. Much like learning to "walk" or adjusting to losing a limb, emotional wounds take time to heal and adjust. In time, the pain will fade, but there may always be remaining scars. But unlike losing a limb, you can grow your heart back. You can grow your pride back. You can be whole again. But it may take a lot of time.. and a lot of work.. and a lot of patience.

Find someone you can talk to.. who has been through something similar.. who you also respect who they've become (if they haven't healed from it themselves they won't be able to help you). They should be able to help guide you and help you understand your emotions, desires, angers, fears.

Seeking help is the first step to finding it.




Your post was touching to me. When Master found me i was "broken." He invested a lot of patience, strength and effort to help me find myself and find internal happiness again. Even in our two years, things have come up which have triggered past traumas, and he has taken the time and energy to walk me through my own mind and heart, to uncover those things which have pained me. With his guidance, care and firmness, i have discovered the courage to face my fears and baggage, so that i could once again love myself, think well of myself, and be whole. It is the best gift anyone has ever given me.

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RE: How to work with an emotionally damaged slave - 2/13/2006 3:03:30 AM   
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hi

i am working with a submissve who is so damage i do not think i can bring him back out of his terror. that is a strong word but that is what it is. when i at my end and ready to say that is all if can do he senses this and ask me what i thought of what we spoke of last night and he is back and i do care for him but i told him he needs to go and get thehelp i can not help him, you see he was new and he went to a domme and he trust her and she tie him up so tie himeven as a big guy could not get aways i wrote this in another post, but she raped him with all thing that she could she had him for sometime. he was injure and shocked he did not tell anyone until he told me. so now this man who could had and may still be a good submissve but he is to darn scare we been talking for 2 years now and it has taken him this long to began to think of us in the domme submissive way, yes i understand he should had be careful but he did not know, so now i am working with him again we talk he can not even talk about himself about sex he closes down he was abuse as a child too, i wrote on another thread MISSTER WHEN TO FAR i know to many i was over reacting to this post but it hit home and i do say sorry. but since i know someone who was abuse by aa make believe domme it was hard. he now not the same as before he scare and that is hard for men to deal with, i am at the end of what i can do for him by i do not want to stop speaking with him or trying to help him i want him to open up but two years is long i have other slaves but we have so much on common we can talk about all things if anyone has any ideal i do not want him as my submissve anymore but i do want him to be help some how

with greeting

mons

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RE: How to work with an emotionally damaged slave - 2/13/2006 9:07:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mons

hi

i am working with a submissve who is so damage i do not think i can bring him back out of his terror. that is a strong word but that is what it is. when i at my end and ready to say that is all if can do he senses this and ask me what i thought of what we spoke of last night and he is back and i do care for him but i told him he needs to go and get thehelp i can not help him, you see he was new and he went to a domme and he trust her and she tie him up so tie himeven as a big guy could not get aways i wrote this in another post, but she raped him with all thing that she could she had him for sometime. he was injure and shocked he did not tell anyone until he told me. so now this man who could had and may still be a good submissve but he is to darn scare we been talking for 2 years now and it has taken him this long to began to think of us in the domme submissive way, yes i understand he should had be careful but he did not know, so now i am working with him again we talk he can not even talk about himself about sex he closes down he was abuse as a child too, i wrote on another thread MISSTER WHEN TO FAR i know to many i was over reacting to this post but it hit home and i do say sorry. but since i know someone who was abuse by aa make believe domme it was hard. he now not the same as before he scare and that is hard for men to deal with, i am at the end of what i can do for him by i do not want to stop speaking with him or trying to help him i want him to open up but two years is long i have other slaves but we have so much on common we can talk about all things if anyone has any ideal i do not want him as my submissve anymore but i do want him to be help some how

with greeting

mons


Yes it could very well have been a real domme alright but she may have been a sadist with no regard to what this will do to him short or long term.

That is very sad, an all to often heard story. Adding child abuse into the mix only complicates it more. The worst thing is when someone becomes reclusive and withdrawn. This type of situation can take many years to over come if at all.

The first step is to get him comfortable with talking if possible with the realization that you can only lead him to fix himself, you cannot fix him, no one can but him. You cant help someone you know nothing about so you must get him to talk and often times people do not have any idea how to properly describe their feelings and attitudes. a silly example would be they might blame their broken heart on to the lawnmower. So it is difficult to know sometimes if they say what is bothering them is really whats bothering them, or really the cause.

If you can get him to talk and get him to a point he can openly deal with the issues, and he still wants to do bdsm then i would recommend when doing bondage with him, either get quick releases used on cattle and put them right above his wrists so one touch and he can get himself out, or tie a bow in the rope and and hand him thet rope so either way he knows he can get out with a flick of the wrist and do not tie his ankles.

If he is at the point he feels he can handle it that will offer him the safety he needs, with the knowledge he can quickly escape if he becomes frightened. Its a process that may take awhile but in time he will come to realize he is perfectly safe with you and take it from there. The hardest part will be getting started as fear can be extremely difficult to overcome.

Good luck,
r1


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RE: How to work with an emotionally damaged slave - 2/25/2006 7:21:51 AM   
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My submissive has low self-esteem and needs much reassurance that she is loved. I entered into this relationship knowing this early on but found that her need for much reassurance was becoming a drain on my pysche and positive energy in that it was sapping my desire. We sat down over coffee, honestly, openly and respectfully addressed the matter.

Having "healthy" self-esteem and strong personal boundaries, I suggested that we purchase a self-esteem workbook for her to work on. In conjunction, I mentioned that I had no desire and couldnt allow her self work to "enmesh" me, therefore I could only offer her my support and encouragement but the "work" was her own responsibilty. To which, she agreed that my suggestion was a good idea and consented to do the work. In caring for her emotional and psychological needs, I realize that I have limitations in this arena. I'm not a therapist or a know-it-all to end all Dominant, nor do I have a grandiose self-image but enough self-esteem to admit that this approach may be only a starting point in considering professional intervention.

Since her low self-esteem and "spin off" behavior seems to have originated in childhood, both of us realise that it will take time and patience to erase the "old, negative self-talk tapes" running rampant in her brain with the "new, positive ones." I've seriously considered this and I'm willing to lend her my support and encouragement provided that she continues to "do the work" and makes progress. I realize that it takes time for one to undo what took years to become. On the other hand, if within a reasonable time frame, which we will discuss, specific goals arent met, we'll discuss our options. (By the way, since my submissive is a newbie and new to me, Ive taken the responsibilty to have scheduled "temperature-taking" discussions every Sunday morning.)

Shiva . . . Perhaps, youre serving a Master without even knowing it.

Emotions need not make sense, be validated, excused or defended. They just "are." That's what makes us human. But, as humans we have the choice to be "slaves" to our emotions or "Master" them. I encourage you to take charge of your self-esteem and celebrate your beauty, your splender and bask in the sunlight of everything you are. If not for any other reason, do this just because, "youre worth it."

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RE: How to work with an emotionally damaged slave - 2/27/2006 1:44:56 AM   
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sorry for taking so long to get back tothis thread. i sent yo uan email on the other side.

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RE: How to work with an emotionally damaged slave - 2/28/2006 1:42:25 AM   
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Shiva TS,

Learning to love yourself and rebuild your self-esteem will happen both internally and externally. You are already in the right frame of mind, and are seeking ways for
healing to happen. As you seek you will find the friends, groups, books, music and other life experiences that you need. One author that I recommend is John Bradshaw, who specializes in family dynamics theory and healing after mental/emotional/physical/sexual abuse. You can find his books in the Self-Help section of a bookstore or order them Online.

Another thought that comes to mind is for you to contact the nearest GLBT group in your area for social support. If there is not one in your town or city, check out the Web-site
for the nearest college or university and look for the student clubs and organizations.
My university allows local community member to participate in the campus clubs, with the
restriction that only enrolled students can be club officers.

Balance the introspective, personal times with social events to make new friends and have new experiences that are not tainted by the past. You will learn more about yourself and make new memories.


Take good care of yourself,

-Vendaval-

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