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ModeratorEleven -> RE: replies and profiles (2/15/2006 9:02:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

You at a minimum owe them a "THANKS BUT NO THANKS".

No, you don't. Please stop beating this dead horse.

XI




yourMissTress -> RE: replies and profiles (2/15/2006 10:17:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix
I fail to see why the fact that someone sends me an email obligates me to respond. I've been using online personal ad sites for a number of years, and I've developed a tough email policy. And, yes, I've had enough responses over the years to calculate statistics.
Phoenix


Um courtesy?

If they followed whatever you put in your profile as far as i am concerned you owe them a response.

If they did not then its whatever you feel like doing with it.

On rare occasions i will write to someone who i am out of their criteria range, but i never expect a response in those cases much less would hold them to one.

However if i wrote to some one and i fall within every thing they ask for you bet i expect a response, regardless if she forgot to list something on her profile or not.

regardless of their spelling or capping etc, if you do not state it on your profile as a no no then you cant legitimately hold it against them.

You at a minimum owe them a "THANKS BUT NO THANKS".


Owe? I OWE someone anything for unsolicited email? If that's true, then you need to sit your ass down and start sending a reply, at a minimum "thanks but no thanks" for each piece of junk mail that you get in your mailbox, email too.

You may respond to each email, and you may feel obligated to do so, I do not. I AM NOT obligated to respond to every Tom, Dick and Harry that sends me an email REGARDLESS of whether or not they meet my criteria. I am not an EOD (equal opportunity Domme) and I receive no government subsidy for my Dominations. I do not have any regulatory committee that I have to answer to and there are no requirements set forth by CM stating that I or anyone has to answer to them regarding email responses.

Silence IS a response. A response that may be deafening if it's heard all too often, as I suspect the case may be here.




Real0ne -> RE: replies and profiles (2/15/2006 10:29:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

You at a minimum owe them a "THANKS BUT NO THANKS".

No, you don't. Please stop beating this dead horse.

XI


everyone else is beating dead horses why cant i?

why do you all continue to let these conversations run on here then?

Do i also not have the same privledge to beat the same dead horse they do?


She said she failed to see and i tried to help explain to her why as others see it.

whats wrong with my post? It is within the tos.

the designers at cm felt is was enough of a problem that they added buttons to do it automatically.

Just because i go against popular opinion you want me to stand down? what is the reason for this?

Why do you expect me to understand them any more then you expect them to understand me?

It takes 2 to tango why is this directed at only me?

Finally what qualifies "you" to be the final judge and jury on this?





MysticalPhoenix -> RE: replies and profiles (2/15/2006 10:46:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

You at a minimum owe them a "THANKS BUT NO THANKS".

No, you don't. Please stop beating this dead horse.

XI



Confucius say: Better to beat live slave than dead horse.

Phoenix




McWhips -> RE: replies and profiles (2/15/2006 10:58:53 AM)

I am surprised these 'I send Dommes messages but they wont reply' kind of threads keep popping up. Not that I give a care in the slightest whether a Domme gets back to me or not, most of the Profiles of Dommes here are not appealing in any way whatsoever for a number of reasons hence I know Im better off for not being involved with them at all. I can only assume the male subs who actually message them then complain about it are desperate.





ModeratorEleven -> RE: replies and profiles (2/15/2006 11:56:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Finally what qualifies "you" to be the final judge and jury on this?

Thems that pays the bills, makes the rules.

No one here is under ANY obligation to answer ANY email, no matter how you may feel about the matter. Nothing is owed to a person just because they sent you email.

Is it polite to send a response? Yes. Is it required? No.

XI




Real0ne -> RE: replies and profiles (2/15/2006 6:36:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
quote:

ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix
I fail to see why the fact that someone sends me an email obligates me to respond. I've been using online personal ad sites for a number of years, and I've developed a tough email policy. And, yes, I've had enough responses over the years to calculate statistics.
Phoenix


Um courtesy?

If they followed whatever you put in your profile as far as i am concerned you owe them a response.

If they did not then its whatever you feel like doing with it.

On rare occasions i will write to someone who i am out of their criteria range, but i never expect a response in those cases much less would hold them to one.

However if i wrote to some one and i fall within every thing they ask for you bet i expect a response, regardless if she forgot to list something on her profile or not.

regardless of their spelling or capping etc, if you do not state it on your profile as a no no then you cant legitimately hold it against them.

You at a minimum owe them a "THANKS BUT NO THANKS".


Owe? I OWE someone anything for unsolicited email? If that's true, then you need to sit your ass down and start sending a reply, at a minimum "thanks but no thanks" for each piece of junk mail that you get in your mailbox, email too.

Silence IS a response. A response that may be deafening if it's heard all too often, as I suspect the case may be here.


i highlited what i said. Now if i made a profile that specified i wanted every tom dick and harry and that i wanted spam yes that is exactly correct, i would not only feel obligated to respond but i would follow thru and respond.

Are you sure you read my post correctly? because i do not understand how spam entered into this as i hughlighted above the statement that i made to me clearly shows i was not talking about a spam. i was talking about legitimate email.


quote:

ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Finally what qualifies "you" to be the final judge and jury on this?

Thems that pays the bills, makes the rules.

No one here is under ANY obligation to answer ANY email, no matter how you may feel about the matter. Nothing is owed to a person just because they sent you email.

Is it polite to send a response? Yes. Is it required? No.

XI



Legal obligation? Of course not.
TOS obligation? Of course not.

Ethical obligation? Yes.

Does obligation = required? NO there are more variations to obligation.

However required does = obligation

Apparently people do not know or understand the difference.

There is another thread somewhere about literacy and education in the us i found quite interesting.

Remember before the flames start flying, i always restrict my responses to "legitimate email". """ONLY""" Anyone who has read any of my posts can see this over and over again.

What is defined as legitimate email?

Legitimate email: that email which conforms to any and all requests made by the recipient. Period.

Not spam.
Not Wankers.
Not 1 liners
Not "ANYTHING" that is outside of the recipients requests

i think it is interesting in these kinds of discussions how those who are talking about things from an ethical position are never correctly understood are always responded to by those who approach it from a legal stand point.

Then like some right to liberty is being trampled all the Judge Dredd(ess)'s scream ""ITS THE LEAW!!!!" i have that right, you do not have that right. yeh yeh yeh...

This isnt about rules!

When i speak of these things i am always talking about it from an ethical stand point. i try to keep legal out of my life as much as possible as it is such a great romance destroyer.

i was in one relationship where i literally needed a new york lawyer sitting on my shoulder just to go thru daily life with that woman, it lasted 6 months attorneys ready to do battle at a moments notice and i will never go thru that crap again.

So i agree and have said it many times "it is a courtesy to respond", and it is also an obligation from an "ethical" standpoint to at least practice reciprocity.

Someone had the "courtesy" to respond to "YOUR" profile the very least a recipient can do with those "legitimate" emails is to give them a thanks but no thanks and show them the "RESPECT" they "DESERVE" for following your directions!!!!!

How can anyone have respect for a recipient who thinks so little of anothers efforts that they do not even bother to extend to them reciprocity and what used to be called "common" courtesy? Which like many things that were common in times past are no longer common!!! Interested or not.

At least give those who make the effort to provide you with everything you requested a reason to continue making the effort by sending them away half happy with a cancellation note rather than ignoring them and continuing to fuel the constant animosity that always ensues from this kind of "UNDESERVED", "DISRESPECTFUL", "INCONSIDERATE" "RUDENESS"!

Then to put the cherry on top when male subs come on here to complain about how crappy they are being treated by these people are they are accused of whining, only to see thread after thread on this forum about people "LEGITIMATELY" complaining about those of you who act in this manner.

Did it ever occur to anyone that they are the problem rather than part of the solution.

you are creating your own problems and frankly why the cm moderators do not openly represent this site in a more positive manner by championing and putting in plugs and reminders for its members to at least practice email courtesy just blows me away!!!! (mail controls are on another thread!)

Look at the response above! It gives the impression they sanction this kind of behavior.

So there is a heads up, on those who run to whats "legal" versus those who run to whats ethically correct.

When all else fails and ethics break down, like water, it seeks the lowest levels, and there is where we find the law. Its all in where people "choose" to place there standards.

Frankly everyone i think it behooves you all to pay attention to who on these threads jump into the "legal" aspects or the "rule" book versus those who view things in an ethical or let the flames begin, a moral standpoint which is yet a higher standard than ethics. (i am an atheist btw)

The difference should be obvious: if you want a fair shake from those jumping on the legal bandwagon you will only get it thru a judge, however those jumping on the ethical bandwagon there is no need for a hearing or a judge.


Food for thought

(generic you)

btw: any dommes that are perusing my posts that i have written to and you responded back with a thanks but no thanks, i have the utmost respect for you, and you know who you are because i wrote back and told you so! i stand by what i said that you are a "credit" to this lifestyle and humanity! congrats!






thetammyjo -> RE: replies and profiles (2/15/2006 7:36:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: amayos

Silence often speaks volumes.


And according to Miss Manners in our newspaper last week, it is perfectly polite to not respond to an unwanted communication or invitation. Responding can be seen as encouraging continued communication or suggesting that something might be offered to make the invitation or dialogue interesting to the uninterested person.

That being said, I generally do reply to polite emails even if it is to say "please reread my profile" at this time because I'd ceased looking for a new slave for a while.




ModeratorEleven -> RE: replies and profiles (2/15/2006 8:07:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Legal obligation? Of course not.
TOS obligation? Of course not.

Ethical obligation? Yes.

Subscribing to your 'ethics,' perhaps. As has been pointed out by nearly everyone else here, your ethics are not the ethics of the majority and when it gets right down to it, they aren't the ones that matter here.

XI




GddssBella -> RE: replies and profiles (2/15/2006 9:00:35 PM)

G'evening all:


Whine, whine, whine.... snivel, bitch, moan, groan. OY VEY!! Grow a thicker skin, it's the internet. Join the rest of us on ~this~ side of reality dude. Your values aren't everyone else's. Frankly, I put a very explicit warning on my profile as to the consequences of those who do not fit my criteria. If someone violates that? They can't expect courtesy as they did not exercise any themselves. Can we finally move past this very tired topic??

Kudos to "yourMissTress", "thetammyjo" & Mod11 - well said. In the meantime, can someone slip "RealOne" a spelling/grammar checker? My eyeballs are still sore from deciphering those encryptions.

*hops off soapbox & kicks it back under her futon ~ curtsies w/ a sassy grin*



Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...


[:D]


Bella




seaturtle50 -> RE: replies and profiles (2/15/2006 10:01:28 PM)

RealOne,

Seems from a practical standpoint that you could have sent about a hundred unanswered emails to Dommes, with the same number of keystrokes used here. Wasn't your original point something to do with wasted time?

st50




kc692 -> RE: replies and profiles (2/15/2006 11:31:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix
I fail to see why the fact that someone sends me an email obligates me to respond. I've been using online personal ad sites for a number of years, and I've developed a tough email policy. And, yes, I've had enough responses over the years to calculate statistics.
Phoenix


Um courtesy?

If they followed whatever you put in your profile as far as i am concerned you owe them a response.

If they did not then its whatever you feel like doing with it.

On rare occasions i will write to someone who i am out of their criteria range, but i never expect a response in those cases much less would hold them to one.

However if i wrote to some one and i fall within every thing they ask for you bet i expect a response, regardless if she forgot to list something on her profile or not.

regardless of their spelling or capping etc, if you do not state it on your profile as a no no then you cant legitimately hold it against them.

You at a minimum owe them a "THANKS BUT NO THANKS".


Why do I owe them that, smiles?


Editted to add:::: SORRY MOD 11!!!! I typed before I went on and saw your comments stating the same opinion, smiles......

**walks away carrying the stick so people stop beating that horse!!!!!**

**whispers, also like the "Thems that pays the bills, makes the rules" too, chuckles....




Real0ne -> RE: replies and profiles (2/17/2006 1:38:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kc692
Why do I owe them that, smiles?


how can anyone answer this when its circumstancial? give me an instance, background infp, and i will give you an answer :)




keptcaged -> RE: replies and profiles (2/17/2006 7:19:19 AM)


Several things come to mind. First is my perspective which is a double edged sword. 20,30 years ago...every time a person older than me brought up "the good old days" i wanted to strangle them with their own belt.
Well, here i am....50! as a young boy i watched the "sexual revolution" as it was called, unfold. If you told me in 1969 or 1975 that we'd have this WAAAYYYYYYYYY COOL thing called the internet and that we could "let our freak flags fly" and openly describe what we want to do or have done to us. i'd think you were outa your mind.

So here we are. 2006. A virtual on-line FREE cornucopia of wonderfully twisted behavior and what do we do? THREE PAGES OF DISCUSSING PROTOCOL !!![:@]. It sounds like the old brother and sister on vacation, "Mooooom! He's touching ME!!!!! He's STILL TOUCHING ME!!! MAKE HIM STOP, MOM!
i am a male sub. Would i submit to any Femdom here? No. i get that.
But to get so whacked out and angry........
That's like being a straight guy in a gay club and getting upset when you get hit on.

We're pervs, twisted, alternative, Land of the Misfit Toys.....let's put that energy into some creative dialogue/verbage/fantasy...whatever. Like back in the day.....just pass the joint to the next guy. You may not, but he may.
(ok, who have i offended? tell me.)




MysticalPhoenix -> RE: replies and profiles (2/17/2006 9:43:53 AM)

I think I'll take another swing at ol' Dobbin the deceased...

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

regardless of their spelling or capping etc, if you do not state it on your profile as a no no then you cant legitimately hold it against them.

You at a minimum owe them a "THANKS BUT NO THANKS".


No, I don't.

Looking for someone online is like fishing.

Do you get angry at every fish that passes by your bait without taking it, or finesses it off the hook without snagging it? Do you stand up in your boat and shake your fist yelling, "You owe me, I dangled my bait in front of you, and you at least owe me the politeness of indicating you see it!"

If so, why fish at all?

Phoenix




AAkasha -> RE: replies and profiles (2/17/2006 9:58:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seaturtle50

RealOne,

Seems from a practical standpoint that you could have sent about a hundred unanswered emails to Dommes, with the same number of keystrokes used here. Wasn't your original point something to do with wasted time?

st50



No, RealOne doesn't get it. He should answer this question:

What if you received 50 emails a day from GAY men that said "I know you aren't gay, but would you at least be friends with me, or give me a shot? Let's email one another," and from gay men that said, "UR hot. Email me." And that said, "Can I ask you a question?".

Add on top of that that for every 10 minutes you are online, you receive 5 more emails from GAY men.

For every 10 emails you send out a "Thanks but no thanks," you get at least three back that say, "Ok, I understand and respect that. But can you give me some advice then about how I might get a het guy like yourself to at least give it a shot?"

For every 10 responses you send, you get 4 that say, "You homophobic asshole! FUCK YOU!"

In addition, you only have ONE hour of online time a day because of your work and social situation. Period.

What do you do with the 3 decent emails from women that you would like to spend at least 15 minutes responding to and the 47 others?

How do you not be an asshole? How do you give EVERYONE the courtesy of a response?

Give me an answer to that question. And no, this is *not* an unrealistic analogy.

Akasha




Nahemah -> RE: replies and profiles (2/17/2006 9:59:47 AM)

quote:

If the person has obviously looked at my picture and not read my profile (when I specify things like age and location, and they aren't even close), I don't reply.

If the person has read my profile, but states that although they don't fit what I'm looking for, they are really what I want, I don't reply.

If the person has copied and pasted their profile and sent it to me in lieu of an original email, I don't reply.

If they have sent me an obvious form letter (Dear <Insert name of Dominant Female here> I am on my knees before the computer worshipping your picture, and I wish to serve you by having you <insert favorite bdsm fantasy here>...), I don't reply.

If they talk about sex or ask for sex, I don't reply.

IF THEY WRITE TO ME IN ALL CAPS, I don't reply.

Ef thay kant spel or youse punktooashun I don't reply.

If they write to me in chatspeak, I don't reply. If they send me a picture of their penis, I don't reply.

If the picture shows someone who I find unappealing, I don't reply.

If they are married, I don't reply.

If the person's email or profile sets off any other red flags, I don't reply.

If they've sent me multiple emails before I've even had a chance to read the first one, I don't reply. If they ask for a pro session, I don't reply.


Phoenix- You couldn't have laid it out more perfectly. I share the same views as You do. For all those reasons, I rarely respond. I will qualify this statement by saying that I *do* give those submissives a fair shot that deserve one. Be creative, make yourself stand out, be respectful but not desperate.




michaelGA -> RE: replies and profiles (2/17/2006 10:02:48 AM)

*paints target on but and wiggles it slowly*

can anyone Mistress hit a moving target?

LOL

[;)][:-][:D][:)]




michaelGA -> RE: replies and profiles (2/17/2006 10:12:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
quote:

ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix
I fail to see why the fact that someone sends me an email obligates me to respond. I've been using online personal ad sites for a number of years, and I've developed a tough email policy. And, yes, I've had enough responses over the years to calculate statistics.
Phoenix


Um courtesy?

If they followed whatever you put in your profile as far as i am concerned you owe them a response.

If they did not then its whatever you feel like doing with it.

On rare occasions i will write to someone who i am out of their criteria range, but i never expect a response in those cases much less would hold them to one.

However if i wrote to some one and i fall within every thing they ask for you bet i expect a response, regardless if she forgot to list something on her profile or not.

regardless of their spelling or capping etc, if you do not state it on your profile as a no no then you cant legitimately hold it against them.

You at a minimum owe them a "THANKS BUT NO THANKS".


Owe? I OWE someone anything for unsolicited email? If that's true, then you need to sit your ass down and start sending a reply, at a minimum "thanks but no thanks" for each piece of junk mail that you get in your mailbox, email too.

Silence IS a response. A response that may be deafening if it's heard all too often, as I suspect the case may be here.


i highlited what i said. Now if i made a profile that specified i wanted every tom dick and harry and that i wanted spam yes that is exactly correct, i would not only feel obligated to respond but i would follow thru and respond.

Are you sure you read my post correctly? because i do not understand how spam entered into this as i hughlighted above the statement that i made to me clearly shows i was not talking about a spam. i was talking about legitimate email.


quote:

ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Finally what qualifies "you" to be the final judge and jury on this?

Thems that pays the bills, makes the rules.

No one here is under ANY obligation to answer ANY email, no matter how you may feel about the matter. Nothing is owed to a person just because they sent you email.

Is it polite to send a response? Yes. Is it required? No.

XI



Legal obligation? Of course not.
TOS obligation? Of course not.

Ethical obligation? Yes.

Does obligation = required? NO there are more variations to obligation.

However required does = obligation

Apparently people do not know or understand the difference.

There is another thread somewhere about literacy and education in the us i found quite interesting.

Remember before the flames start flying, i always restrict my responses to "legitimate email". """ONLY""" Anyone who has read any of my posts can see this over and over again.

What is defined as legitimate email?

Legitimate email: that email which conforms to any and all requests made by the recipient. Period.

Not spam.
Not Wankers.
Not 1 liners
Not "ANYTHING" that is outside of the recipients requests

i think it is interesting in these kinds of discussions how those who are talking about things from an ethical position are never correctly understood are always responded to by those who approach it from a legal stand point.

Then like some right to liberty is being trampled all the Judge Dredd(ess)'s scream ""ITS THE LEAW!!!!" i have that right, you do not have that right. yeh yeh yeh...

This isnt about rules!

When i speak of these things i am always talking about it from an ethical stand point. i try to keep legal out of my life as much as possible as it is such a great romance destroyer.

i was in one relationship where i literally needed a new york lawyer sitting on my shoulder just to go thru daily life with that woman, it lasted 6 months attorneys ready to do battle at a moments notice and i will never go thru that crap again.

So i agree and have said it many times "it is a courtesy to respond", and it is also an obligation from an "ethical" standpoint to at least practice reciprocity.

Someone had the "courtesy" to respond to "YOUR" profile the very least a recipient can do with those "legitimate" emails is to give them a thanks but no thanks and show them the "RESPECT" they "DESERVE" for following your directions!!!!!

How can anyone have respect for a recipient who thinks so little of anothers efforts that they do not even bother to extend to them reciprocity and what used to be called "common" courtesy? Which like many things that were common in times past are no longer common!!! Interested or not.

At least give those who make the effort to provide you with everything you requested a reason to continue making the effort by sending them away half happy with a cancellation note rather than ignoring them and continuing to fuel the constant animosity that always ensues from this kind of "UNDESERVED", "DISRESPECTFUL", "INCONSIDERATE" "RUDENESS"!

Then to put the cherry on top when male subs come on here to complain about how crappy they are being treated by these people are they are accused of whining, only to see thread after thread on this forum about people "LEGITIMATELY" complaining about those of you who act in this manner.

Did it ever occur to anyone that they are the problem rather than part of the solution.

you are creating your own problems and frankly why the cm moderators do not openly represent this site in a more positive manner by championing and putting in plugs and reminders for its members to at least practice email courtesy just blows me away!!!! (mail controls are on another thread!)

Look at the response above! It gives the impression they sanction this kind of behavior.

So there is a heads up, on those who run to whats "legal" versus those who run to whats ethically correct.

When all else fails and ethics break down, like water, it seeks the lowest levels, and there is where we find the law. Its all in where people "choose" to place there standards.

Frankly everyone i think it behooves you all to pay attention to who on these threads jump into the "legal" aspects or the "rule" book versus those who view things in an ethical or let the flames begin, a moral standpoint which is yet a higher standard than ethics. (i am an atheist btw)

The difference should be obvious: if you want a fair shake from those jumping on the legal bandwagon you will only get it thru a judge, however those jumping on the ethical bandwagon there is no need for a hearing or a judge.


Food for thought

(generic you)

btw: any dommes that are perusing my posts that i have written to and you responded back with a thanks but no thanks, i have the utmost respect for you, and you know who you are because i wrote back and told you so! i stand by what i said that you are a "credit" to this lifestyle and humanity! congrats!





and here, i was worried that "i" pissed people off...LOL

if everyone here responded to every single email, no matter how long or short the response is, then nobody would be able to actually find, much less, get to know those they are actually seeking.

here's a clue...if they don't respond...odds are...they're NOT INTERESTED

**picks up soapbox and scurries away from the dead horse before getting hit himself**




MissHarlet -> RE: replies and profiles (2/17/2006 5:11:19 PM)

For me, grammer and spelling COUNT. I desire a submissive with a brain.




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