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Marc2b -> RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... (6/9/2009 12:49:24 PM)
quote: So, what you are saying is you expect the black population of this country will take to the streets in uncontrolled violence if that should happen. I have already answered this: post number 52 on page 3 quote: Do you have any black friends, neighbors? Yes I do, in addition to the aforementioned black family members. Or - feeling smugly secure in your own supposed moral superiority - did you not bother to read my response to you at all? quote: Is that what you expect them to do? No, because I know them to be good and decent people. I also know that not all black people are good and decent people just like all white people are not good and decent people or all asians are good and decent people, etc, etc, etc. Unlike you, I do not assign moral absolutes (be they good or bad) to groups of people based upon their race. quote: When Reagan was almost assassinated did you expect the people in Beverly Hills to be smashing out windows on Rodeo Drive and loading up the trunks of their Mercedes' and Bentley's? No I didn't. But then the residents of Beverly Hills don't have a history of rioting over racial issues, do they? It sounds to me like you are assuming that only white people live in Beverly Hills. Obviously that is a " thinly-veiled racist comment" on your part based upon an obvious pesumption that Black people are inferior and lack the intelligence and hard work ethic needed to aquire enough wealth to live in Beverly Hills. Yup. It's obvious. You're a racist. No need on my part to put any thought into your posts. An unthinking, knee-jerk emotional reaction is all that is required. I guess, after having libeled you, I am now free to bask in my obvious moral superiority and ignor you from here on in. Unless, of course my pressumption about your Beverly Hills comment is wrong and you would like to correct me on that, and/or Unless you want to answer my question, which I now ask for the forth time: Do you honestly believe that there would be no riots if President Obama were to be assasinated?

rulemylife -> RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... (6/9/2009 1:00:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b Unless you want to answer my question, which I now ask for the forth time: Do you honestly believe that there would be no riots if President Obama were to be assasinated? I take it patience is not a virtue with you. The message you replied to was directed at another. I was still working on my reply to you. Now I have to reply to this too. Like I need more work!

Marc2b -> RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... (6/9/2009 1:46:05 PM)
quote: I take it patience is not a virtue with you. The message you replied to was directed at another. I was still working on my reply to you. Now I have to reply to this too. Like I need more work! Opps. Okay. Fair enough (see, I can admit it when I make a mistake). But you have put a bug up my butt about this (when I am reading this thread anyway - I wouldn't want you to think too highly of your ability to annoy me - when the computer is off, so are you). I can let a lot of insults, snide remarks and misperceptions slide off my back since all those are par for the course on any message board. There are some things, however, I won't tolerate and this is one of them. I am not a racist. I despise racism and bigotry of any and every kind - and I do not appreciate being called one, either directly or by implication.

rulemylife -> RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... (6/9/2009 1:56:54 PM)
Then maybe it's time we just put this to rest. I find these racial discussions to be distasteful to begin with, but after you called another poster bigoted and accused him of promoting hateful ideology toward Republicans it was hard not to notice the irony in your statements regarding potential rioting, intentional or not.

Marc2b -> RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... (6/9/2009 3:22:08 PM)
quote: Then maybe it's time we just put this to rest. I find these racial discussions to be distasteful to begin with, but after you called another poster bigoted and accused him of promoting hateful ideology toward Republicans it was hard not to notice the irony in your statements regarding potential rioting, intentional or not. My statement to MarsBonfire was the result of a general weariness of his near constant refrain of the Republicans/Conservatives are pure evil mantra. To be fair he’s not only one but his was the latest to make me groan and say to myself, “oh dear God, here we go again,” and irk me just enough to call him on it. I mean come on, we have (now had) a serious situation here. There is a nutjob threatining to kill the President (and the lone nutjobs are always more dangerous than the organized conspiracies) and all some people can do is offer up the usual close-minded, ideological bullshit. I’ve nothing against the occasional rib jabbing humor, I just wish people (not just here on Collarme) on both sides of the Liberal/Conservative divide would tone down the “you’re stupid and evil, we’re intelligent and noble,” rhetoric. It’s bullshit and it gets us nowhere good. It causes people to close off their minds from different ideas and it leads to unwarranted, stereotypical presumptions about people which in turn shuts down constructive dialogue - leaving us only with hatred and resentment. One example of a steriotypical presumption: presuming that someone who believes that riots would result if President Obama were assassinated must have come to such a conclusion as a result of racism rather than an honest appraisal of American history. If you want to drop this, fine by me, but I would like an aswer to the question. Just a simple yes or no. Do you believe, if President Obama were to be assasinated, there would be riots? I think you've become afraid to answer the question because you know the answer is yes and, therefore, by your own criteria, you would be a racist. Like I said, it shuts down constructive dialogue.

rulemylife -> RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... (6/9/2009 3:39:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b One example of a steriotypical presumption: presuming that someone who believes that riots would result if President Obama were assassinated must have come to such a conclusion as a result of racism rather than an honest appraisal of American history. If you want to drop this, fine by me, but I would like an aswer to the question. Just a simple yes or no. Do you believe, if President Obama were to be assasinated, there would be riots? I think you've become afraid to answer the question because you know the answer is yes and, therefore, by your own criteria, you would be a racist. Like I said, it shuts down constructive dialogue. No, not afraid, but as you said in regard to another discussion I've grown weary of this. The same way I've grown weary of fat, rich, old white men like Limbaugh and Gingrich calling Sotomayor a racist. An honest appraisal of American history? Then you must be implying that we will have Irish- American neighborhoods in flames since that is his heritage on his mother's side. Is that what you meant?

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... (6/9/2009 5:05:36 PM)
There is a difference between racism and basing a theory on race relations. Then again I guess race relations have been just peachy here in the US for a long time. Looking at history and how some in the African American community have responded, taking into account human behavior, it is an easy prediction to make without having to be a racist. So if a Black person makes the same statement, based upon this theory, would they be racist as well? This all sounds more like a witch hunt than anything else.

Marc2b -> RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... (6/9/2009 5:48:39 PM)
quote: No, not afraid, but as you said in regard to another discussion I've grown weary of this. The same way I've grown weary of fat, rich, old white men like Limbaugh and Gingrich calling Sotomayor a racist. An honest appraisal of American history? Then you must be implying that we will have Irish- American neighborhoods in flames since that is his heritage on his mother's side. Is that what you meant? You are being absurd again and are doing so deliberately. I refuse to believe that you seriously think the ideological rhetoric of a washed up politician and a radio blowhard would have the same effect on people as the murder of the President. Nor do I believe that you really believe an off the cuff remark of one Hispanic woman compares to a political assassination when it comes to pissing people of enough to riot. But, if you want to make an honest appraisal of American history, then ask yourself: when was the last time Irish-Americans rioted? What were the social and economic conditions that contributed to those riots and how do they compare with the social and economic conditions of African-Americans today? Off the top of my head the last major riots involving Irish–Americans I can think of were the Draft Riots of 1963 and the Orange Riots of 1870 and 1871 – at a time when many (if not most) Irish-Americans were living in poverty in inner city slums and were overtly discriminated against by the surrounding society. Sound familiar?

Marc2b -> RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... (6/9/2009 5:56:28 PM)
quote: There is a difference between racism and basing a theory on race relations. BINGO! But Rule can't bring himself to admit that because that would mean that: A) he would have to admit that his knee-jerk reaction to my statement was wrong and B) he is unable to answer the question I have asked him - four times now! - honestly since he would then be proclaiming himself a racist based upon his own criteria.

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