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HeavansKeeper -> Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 7:18:51 PM)

Short version: If applicable, why do you enjoy breath play? Opinions from tops are particularly desired.

Breath play and I are quite cross, likely from a near death experience as a child. For me, all forms of play are opportunities to establish or enhance trust and intimacy. Danger is certainly not exciting to me, neither is pushing my body to its limits. Mind you, I will push my body into dangerous situations in an effort to further trust, but not for the plain experience.

Heath Ledger, as The Joker, said it best.
quote:

ORIGINAL: The Joker
Do you want to know why I use a knife? Guns are too quick, you can’t savor all the little… emotions. Y-you see, in their last moments, people show you who they really are. So, in a way, I knew your friends better than you ever did. Would you like to know which of them were cowards?


I like the little emotions. I like the way people react. It's truth incarnate, and truth is intimacy. People lie when they talk, they censor themselves. Only some sort of James Bond meets World Series of Poker champion can hide the truth when the play starts.

I've never met someone who's into breath play AND sees kink the way I do. I've watched a lot of breath play; it's probably natural to be intrigued by what you fear with irrational panic. I see it as a bottom centric activity. Not that it's bad, but I don't see much "joy" for the top. If I were to engage in the act, a mix of fear and supreme attentiveness to my pet's need and safety would be pumping through my pounding heart.

If you please, I would like to better understand the mindset of someone engaging in breath play, top or bottom. For my own enlightenment, I would very much appreciate an attempt at describing the feeling when controlling someone's breath.

I know engaging in the act will give me the best understanding (both thoroughly and quickly) but I don't feel comfortable with my level of expertise in "how other people breath."

Edit: Minor changes.



GreedyTop -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 7:20:45 PM)

excellent question, HK.. and once I've had some sleep, I will try to relate to you the conversation I had with a top that I engaged in this with....



HeavansKeeper -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 7:26:44 PM)

>.< I meant to edit and then I clicked quote...

That said, Thank you, GT. If you find the time, your words will be measured - no doubt to be found enlightening.



missturbation -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 7:41:22 PM)

My ex and i had the same enjoyment from breath play exactly.
He held my life in his hands during breath play. If he let go i would live, if he didn't i would die, yummy !!



ShaharThorne -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 7:43:36 PM)

As a bottom, I am trusting the top with my life and to me that is the utmost level of trust to give. For some reason, my orgasm is enhanced and at my age (42 next week), I enjoy being brought to the edge over and over. It makes me feel more alive. I will not partake of soloplay because without someone to watch over you, you can die (cops call it blue hazing).



IrishMist -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 7:44:01 PM)

I love breath play. The feeling of helplessness, and yes, extreme fear; in knowing that your own life rests in the hands of someone else's desire/whims/pleasure, etc.

I also though, get the same rush from having a gun shoved in my mouth and knowing that the gun is loaded and cocked.

The same with knives; I like knowing that a simple move on my part or his part could end my life.

I like riding the edge between life and death. There's nothing sexual about it for me, and I actually don't get any real pleasure from it...I am just addicted to the rush of fear that it produces.

Fear, when I feel it, pushes me into a calmness that allows me to center my mind and think more coherently...odd, but there it is.



missturbation -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 7:48:53 PM)

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I like riding the edge between life and death. There's nothing sexual about it for me, and I actually don't get any real pleasure from it...I am just addicted to the rush of fear that it produces.


Ditto except i get pleasure (non-sexual) from the rush of fear.



PsyVamp -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 7:52:11 PM)

This is the first form of play I had ever tried.  It began when I was too young to know much about anything.  I don't know why or how it started.
I remember straddling my then boyfriend and putting both hands around his neck
I would gently apply pressure and watch his facial expressions as the pressure increased.

The look of complete trust and love mixed with just a hint of uncertainty was like ambrosia...  to think that this boy loved and trusted Me enough to let Me do something so profoundly dangerous was tenderly sweet.  I felt the same every time I repeated it.

I have since played in different manners...using items like belts and floggers in addition to my hands... I even had someone do it to me once, in the form of a kiss where he breathed for me, but nothing is as wonderful as your first.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 7:58:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PsyVamp
I even had someone do it to me once, in the form of a kiss where he breathed for me,

OMG that's hot!

That's on my list for things to do in 2009.  Hot damn.  I'll be the one breathing, though.[;)]



PsyVamp -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 8:04:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

quote:

ORIGINAL: PsyVamp
I even had someone do it to me once, in the form of a kiss where he breathed for me,

OMG that's hot!

That's on my list for things to do in 2009.  Hot damn.  I'll be the one breathing, though.[;)]



*sighs*
okay fine, but I'll only do it once [:D]



RedMagic1 -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 8:08:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PsyVamp

okay fine, but I'll only do it once [:D]

May I invite you to somebody's birthday party?



snappykappy -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 8:14:33 PM)

i saw this and it makes sense to me

as they say whatever makes ur socks go up and down
or floats ur boat but in my case i am on the national
transplant list for a double lung transplant and this is
one thing breath play or asphixiation which is a definite
no for me life is too precious

all i have to say is to be careful and not that it is just a
simple whim u have

I guess that breathing, when it is its most natural, is an
unconscious, undirected activity. I've heard, however, that
once you've been denied oxygen, that breathing is no longer
ever unconscious, but that you forever feel that faint pang
of oxygen deprivation, real or imagined, and that you breathe
for oxygen, rather than as a simple automatic action.



lovingpet -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 8:15:40 PM)

For me, it is perhaps a strange thing.  I have such a panic at not being able to breathe freely.  Between a near drowning as a kid and asthma, it is no wonder.  However, when his hands are around my neck there is no battle.  There is no fear.  If he wanted my life at that moment, it seems I would not resist his wishes.  That's not the most sane thing that has ever come out of my mouth, but in the moment that is it.  I can't be more vulnerable than in that time and space.  Everything stands still. 

I haven't gone all the way to lights out and don't know what my response would be.  I don't know that at some point I wouldn't resist.  I like to think I trust him to not damage me and think enough of me to not want to extinguish my life.  I know his training and ability to handle an emergency.  I just don't have reason to be so afraid.  I wouldn't do this with just anyone and I think there would have to be a deep level of trust established.

To me, the rush for the dominant would be having that level of power and getting to see firsthand, by the subbie's willingness to participate and the responses he/she has.  It would be like an added confirmation of what I hope to already know.  I wouldn't engage in this as a dominant at this time because I neither have a partner I have that level of connection and trust with and I don't know enough about it and how to do it safely or what to do if something goes wrong.  I should not be trusted to do this at this time and I would not place a submissive in a position to have to make that call.

I think if you can learn to do this and do it well and have the deep trust of your partner, please do not be afraid to try it.  Perhaps small steps at first as you both become more comfortable.  I think it builds trust if it is handled with great care.

lovingpet   




PsyVamp -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 8:22:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

May I invite you to somebody's birthday party?


*smiles*  depends on the someone. [;)]



quote:

ORIGINAL: snappykappy

all i have to say is to be careful and not that it is just a
simple whim u have

The first time it was just a whim...but as I said, I was young... and this was prior to the idea of our own mortality

quote:

ORIGINAL: snappykappy
I guess that breathing, when it is its most natural, is an
unconscious, undirected activity. I've heard, however, that
once you've been denied oxygen, that breathing is no longer
ever unconscious, but that you forever feel that faint pang
of oxygen deprivation, real or imagined, and that you breathe
for oxygen, rather than as a simple automatic action.


I will admit, that the time I had it done to me was an 'out of the blue' type situation and I was in no way prepared for it.
It did make me aware of my own breathing for a while, more so than the almost drowning when I was very very young.
But I would still do it again, given the right situation.



HeavansKeeper -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 8:43:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: snappykappy

i saw this and it makes sense to me

as they say whatever makes ur socks go up and down
or floats ur boat but in my case i am on the national
transplant list for a double lung transplant and this is
one thing breath play or asphixiation which is a definite
no for me life is too precious

all i have to say is to be careful and not that it is just a
simple whim u have

I guess that breathing, when it is its most natural, is an
unconscious, undirected activity. I've heard, however, that
once you've been denied oxygen, that breathing is no longer
ever unconscious, but that you forever feel that faint pang
of oxygen deprivation, real or imagined, and that you breathe
for oxygen, rather than as a simple automatic action.


Reading this left me feeling that gaspy heartburny knotted feeling in the chest.



ChasingOblivion -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 8:54:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

My ex and i had the same enjoyment from breath play exactly.
He held my life in his hands during breath play. If he let go i would live, if he didn't i would die, yummy !!

I agree completely. I love the rush, the feeling of peering over the edge and knowing I could fall. There's nothing else like that gets me off quite like it.



LyraLaLaurie -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/6/2009 8:56:20 PM)

Firstly, it was a favorite when I bottomed and I know the rush, trust, and submissiveness it triggers.

Secondly, I love to watch how different people react when I am controlling them. I used to be a swimmer and gradually, I trained myself to swim a full-length olympic pool without coming up for breath. To do this I had to realize the physical triggers when I thought I needed to come up for air and when I really DID need to come up for air. You have about 3-5 seconds before the panic response really sets in after you really need air. My strong desire to complete the task made me control this.

Everyone's reactions when they need to "come up" are different and interesting to watch. Some people suck in their chest, others wiggle their feet, some begin to shake and jerk. Of course, "going under" is an ultimate submission I value. You both share a very contemplative, long, moment of silence. It's a nice way to connect.



DesFIP -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/7/2009 4:08:23 AM)

It's something I was interested in and he wasn't. But because he knew I was interested he started reading more about it, paying more attention to the subject instead of skipping it.

The part of it he likes the best is giving me breath through a kiss. After that, he likes how aroused I get. But I don't like belts or things around my neck, only his hands. For me it's the intimacy of it all, demonstrating my absolute trust in him by giving him my life to hold in his hands.

However I have found that a lot of the enjoyment I get from it is simply because my neck is such an erotic zone. So he can get great response from me simply by sinking his teeth into my neck, without doing anything more dangerous.



SmokingGun82 -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/7/2009 9:20:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: snappykappy
I guess that breathing, when it is its most natural, is an
unconscious, undirected activity. I've heard, however, that
once you've been denied oxygen, that breathing is no longer
ever unconscious, but that you forever feel that faint pang
of oxygen deprivation, real or imagined, and that you breathe
for oxygen, rather than as a simple automatic action.


I've lost consciousness due to lack of oxygen (not in a sexual situation), and I can say for me that isn't true. Breathing is the same as it's always been.

As for the original question, it's control. Control and trust, both of which hit buttons for me. Having someone willing to trust me enough to give up that control just goes with everything I enjoy. And the faces some girls make when they're trying to pull in air, the way they writhe... Rawr.



porcelaine -> RE: Cracking the Top on Breath Play (6/7/2009 3:32:47 PM)

control, trust, helplessness, fear, adoration, and the love being held in the palm of his hands inspires. i enjoy the stripping and the defenseless feelings that emit. i'm there in the moment and in that space in time the only thing that exists is he and i. all the other things that might come into play are moot. there's something sensual about the restriction, the silence, and gazing longingly in his eyes. perhaps it is a mutual shedding for us both, where the masks are cast aside we and truly see one another as we are, without all the pretty enhancements.

porcelaine



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