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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/9/2009 11:17:41 PM

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"Moore reminds me of a scientist who comes up with a conclusion then performs research to find basis for that solution"

Sorry to enlighten you so buddy, but that's how most research actually is conducted these days. You think Pfizer hires a reseach team to prove their new product is poison ?

So in essence I agree, but on what exactly ? What you say is surely true, but it is also true of the "debunkers", and I think we are actually to the point in history where the debunkers need their own debunkers.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/10/2009 9:28:37 AM

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Moore reminds me of a scientist who comes up with a conclusion then performs research to find basis for that solution.

Um... that's pretty much how -all- science works. It's called "hypothesis" -- and sometimes the researchers are right because they're right... and sometimes they're "right" because nobody's found the reason they're -wrong- yet.

I don't necessarily -like- Michael Moore, and I don't necessarily like his ideas about meddlesome government, but I have to admit that, in terms of getting a good feel for the "climate" of the things he talks about, he's scarily accurate over the long haul. His farewell letter to GM makes some sense, too -- at least, since we've already bailed the company out and now -own- 60% of it, whether we want to or not.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/10/2009 11:16:55 AM

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One thing that really struck me, when I was watching Sicko, was that the Canadian and British citizens, when talking about their national health service, had no real issue with their higher taxes, and really understood that part of what they were paying for, with those taxes, was the ability to have their health care covered.

I think part of the problem I've seen in the US is that we don't want to pay for -anything-... American's want it all, and if it was -free- they'd take it and bitch about it... and they pay out of pocket -- thousands and thousands of dollars more than they would if taxed-- but if you tell them their taxes are going up, heaven forbid!

Just think about it -- you pay an extra, say, 10% per year in taxes (and believe it or not, this is less than my annual insurance premiums just for -me-, not including offspring or spouse, copays, deductibles, and prescription payments, dental insurance, vision insurance, or catastrophic care bills), but you have NO health care insurance premiums, no co-pays, no exorbitant prescription costs... so who's so dumb?

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/10/2009 11:23:10 AM

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Sorry, but I am not a big fan of Moore, therefore I don't have anything worth commenting on.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/10/2009 11:36:49 AM

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I could never figure out moore hate, I mean yeah he's an opinionated asshole, but then again WHO ISN'T, He's a great counter balance to all the rights rabid attack dogs(for instance, next time you're at your local big box video rental place, just check out how many "anti" moore films you can find, by my count alone there are over ten film titles I've seen attacking his movie on 911)and as the counter balance, it's great to see how his propaganda is alot more credible then..oh..lets say rush limbah's(when the fuck has he been correct about ANYTHING.).

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/10/2009 12:48:44 PM

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Sorry, but I am not a big fan of Moore, therefore I don't have anything worth commenting on.

Tell me, who puts out movies- expose type- that you recommend?

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/10/2009 1:21:45 PM

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Nothing really. I am out in the country and rather limited in what I can view (damned Flash player). and I have only one DVD "Memiors of a Geisha". MY friend used to let me watch his UFO collection and we debated about the JFK assassination. To me MOore has always been a bore, just like Rush Lumbaugh. Both men eat the same cake and sprout it off in different directions.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/10/2009 4:18:40 PM

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How interesting is it that both T8 and Calla did exactly what MM does to prove their points. Here is my complete quote. You left out the most important part but not unsurprisingly so.

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Moore reminds me of a scientist who comes up with a conclusion then performs research to find basis for that solution. Sometimes he's right because he is right and other times he is right because he has ignored everything that doesn't support his conclusion. I've seen him play fast and loose with quotes and clips and it just leads me not to trust the information he puts forth.

Thanks for proving me right in real time. This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/10/2009 4:20:00 PM

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Moore is an exaggerator. He highlights only certain incidents to give a one sided point of view. That being said, I'm a fan of his. He's the left's counterbalance to right wing propaganda nazis like Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, and Bill O'reilly. You have to fight fire with fire. If you had to choose a pundit from either side, which would you agree with more?

I don't like the hierarchical nature of our species. Here in the United States, the same two political parties have essentially controlled the nation since it's inception. The parties are controlled by the wealthy elite and represent their interests, rather than the interests of the majority. Information about their government is kept secret, or tied up in bureaucratic red tape. Our tax money goes to arming murderous dictators and their regimes, bombing civilian cities, and subverting "democratically" elected officials and populist governments. We receive information about the actions of their military and their government through the media, which just like the government is controlled by the rich, neither of which is a coincidence. The laws of their judicial system are a mystery to most, but you can always hire someone to represent you in court, if you have more money you'll be able to hire a more talented attorney.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/10/2009 7:09:43 PM

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sicko was a good movie. even if yiu hate moore.

You had to hand it to Moore for highlighting this about BUSH.

Michael is not 100% correct on any issue, but than I don't expect any human being to be perfect.
That is only for a Higher Being.
As mere humans go, Michael Moore tends to be on the money or near the money, most of the time.
That is good enough for ME.
Fahrenheit 911 was fascinating.
Check out Michaels' website, here is his goodbye letter to GM.

MichaelMoore.com : Goodbye, GM ...by Michael Moore

He stopped way short of the level of investigative journalism that was really required to cover that event in depth. To get the best picture of what really happened you had to read non-US sources, as our national press failed completely at coverage.

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