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female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 10:21:49 AM   
blckmlslv


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Status: offline 		as a Female Supremacist, i believe that even female slaves are superior to male slaves. The thought of serving or being disciplined by a female sub at the direction of our Female Superior really gets my juices flowing. Does anyone else have these thoughts?
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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 10:25:34 AM   
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as a Female Supremacist, i believe that even female slaves are superior to male slaves. The thought of serving or being disciplined by a female sub at the direction of our Female Superior really gets my juices flowing. Does anyone else have these thoughts?



I don't buy into gender superiority any more than I buy into racial superiority or the like.

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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 10:45:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MsSonnetMarwood

I don't buy into gender superiority any more than I buy into racial superiority or the like.



First, I agree completely with the above statement.

I have witnessed a couple female slaves be very proficient SM Tops. Just don't expect them all to be cuz of any "superiority. If what you are looking for is a Domme who will sometimes have female slaves top you as well (whether its to get your juices flowing or her own), yeah it could happen.

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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 1:40:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supremacy? I find that disturbing. I find female chauvinism disturbing. What is even more disturbing to me is how you choose to edit your profile, in the interest section there is a choice to choose female supremacy but arrr where is the choice to tick the box called male supremacy???

If the choice was there I would not choose it. Anyone who thinks their gender is more superior than the other is an chauvinist idiot. I do find it sexist and discriminatory against males to have female supremacy accepted but not male supremacy in this site.

I understand this type of thing is used for BDSM play but why can’t a male dom have this option?

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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 3:11:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blckmlslv

as a Female Supremacist, i believe that even female slaves are superior to male slaves. The thought of serving or being disciplined by a female sub at the direction of our Female Superior really gets my juices flowing. Does anyone else have these thoughts?


As many people know, I have lived most of my life as a believer in the female supremacist lifestyle. No, I'm not going to get into an argument or debate with someone as to whether or not it's correct or not; it's correct for me, and that's ALL I purport it to be.

With that being said, I've dealt with female submissives MANY times before, and what being a female supremacist means to me is to afford them complete respect, not criticize the lifestyle they have chosen and to realize that they aren't going to want to dominate me, so as a female supremacist, putting a woman before myself, I can best honor her desires by not getting in her way or making her feel guilty in any way for her lifestyle choices.

Because of that, over the years most of my friends have been female submissives. We get along very well, quite possibly because I think they realize I'm about as safe a male friend as they can have, someone who won't try to coax them into fulfilling his needs, but at the same time caring about them enough to be there for them when they need a friend.

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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 6:30:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

Because of that, over the years most of my friends have been female submissives. We get along very well, quite possibly because I think they realize I'm about as safe a male friend as they can have, someone who won't try to coax them into fulfilling his needs, but at the same time caring about them enough to be there for them when they need a friend.


I think thi is important.

I've had WAAAAAY too many female supremicist bottoms approach me as "goddess" et al and refuse to accept that I don't buy into the "woman" = "superior top" idea.

I dunno. Enjoy the ideology all you want, and by all means get hot from the fanatasy, but don't push it onto people that don't live by that code.

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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 6:37:06 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Most people don't take "female supremacy" seriously enough to be offended by it. When I read a statement like the OP's, I just laugh. When I read statements about "male supremacy," my reaction is very different.

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Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supremacy?


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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 6:45:22 PM   
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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 6:54:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blckmlslv
as a Female Supremacist, i believe that even female slaves are superior to male slaves. The thought of serving or being disciplined by a female sub at the direction of our Female Superior really gets my juices flowing. Does anyone else have these thoughts?


Yes ;) but directing proceedings.







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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 6:55:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it's a little bit like the difference between reading "We should burn all Presbyterians" and "We should burn all Jews." Those two sentences appear to be identical in form, but they hardly elicit the comparable reactions. The first one seems to be so impossibly remote that it's (almost) funny; the second one is not remote, because it has been done in the past, and might one day happen again. "Female supremacy" sounds like something lodged so deep in someone's kinky fantasy that I can't take it very seriously; "male supremacy" makes me think of a world and barbaric way of thinking that time has passed by.

Disclaimer: I do not advocate burning Presbyterians or Jews. Just for the record, kids.

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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 6:55:15 PM   
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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 7:09:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
Well, it's a little bit like the difference between reading "We should burn all Presbyterians" and "We should burn all Jews." Those two sentences appear to be identical in form, but they hardly elicit the comparable reactions. The first one seems to be so impossibly remote that it's (almost) funny; the second one is not remote, because it has been done in the past, and might one day happen again. "Female supremacy" sounds like something lodged so deep in someone's kinky fantasy that I can't take it very seriously; "male supremacy" makes me think of a world and barbaric way of thinking that time has passed by.
Disclaimer: I do not advocate burning Presbyterians or Jews. Just for the record, kids.


Thanks for clarifying :)

I'll disagree with "sounds like something lodged [deep] in someone's kinky fantasy" bit ;) but alls good


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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 7:50:23 PM   
naughtynick


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Well, it's a little bit like the difference between reading "We should burn all Presbyterians" and "We should burn all Jews." Those two sentences appear to be identical in form, but they hardly elicit the comparable reactions. The first one seems to be so impossibly remote that it's (almost) funny; the second one is not remote, because it has been done in the past, and might one day happen again. "Female supremacy" sounds like something lodged so deep in someone's kinky fantasy that I can't take it very seriously; "male supremacy" makes me think of a world and barbaric way of thinking that time has passed by.

Disclaimer: I do not advocate burning Presbyterians or Jews. Just for the record, kids.




Sorry but I don't find female supremacy innocent. It is just as troublesome as male supremacy. Take a look at feminism for an example. I believe when feminism first started, it was a good cause and it was a good thing. But I believe a lot of feminism today is all about female supremacy.

Feminism has ruined a lot of lives and feminism is the ugly face of female supremacy in the world today. The spoilt bitch girldom behavior (not involved with BDSM) in society these days has pasted as maturity, and it has gotten me beyond belief. Female supremacy in BDSM is probably innocent but female supremacy that is influenced by feminism in westernized societies these days are troublesome.

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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 10:31:18 PM   
perverseangelic


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ORIGINAL: naughtynick

But I believe a lot of feminism today is all about female supremacy.

Feminism has ruined a lot of lives and feminism is the ugly face of female supremacy in the world today. The spoilt bitch girldom behavior (not involved with BDSM) in society these days has pasted as maturity, and it has gotten me beyond belief. Female supremacy in BDSM is probably innocent but female supremacy that is influenced by feminism in westernized societies these days are troublesome.


Well, that really depends on what kind of feminism you're looking at.

Bitch Magazine had a really good article this month outlining different types of feminism and the feminism movement and different fringe groups associated with you.

You're talking about one very spesific brand and branch of feminism. Spoiled bitchdom is NOT feminism.

I would say that feminism has improved many more lives than it has "ruined."

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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 11:20:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I agree with you. I wasn't defending female supremacy. I was answering someone's question--someone asked why female supremacy doesn't generally arouse the same ire and condemnation that male supremacy does. I'm sure it's because most people don't take it seriously.

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Sorry but I don't find female supremacy innocent. It is just as troublesome as male supremacy.


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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/10/2006 11:27:30 PM   
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Does anyone else have these thoughts?


I try not to. I tend to view any class or group of people who believe themselves to be somehow "superior" to another to be rather lacking in the intelligence department. I mean, really... have you ever listened to their propaganda?

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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/11/2006 12:14:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Evanesce

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Does anyone else have these thoughts?


I try not to. I tend to view any class or group of people who believe themselves to be somehow "superior" to another to be rather lacking in the intelligence department. I mean, really... have you ever listened to their propaganda?


In a perfect world "superior" is like "master", something that should be granted by others after serious consideration and not claimed by the individual. Also, outside of fiction (anyone remember Doc Savage) "superior" tends to be in one or two aspects. After all, I'll ceed intelligence to Stephen Hawking, but I'll bet I can take him one-on-one in basketball.



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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/12/2006 7:41:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: blckmlslv

as a Female Supremacist, i believe that even female slaves are superior to male slaves. The thought of serving or being disciplined by a female sub at the direction of our Female Superior really gets my juices flowing. Does anyone else have these thoughts?


Nope. No. Not so much. Never really.

Like so many others... female supremacy? Really? Oh good grief. While it may be fine and dandy for some, either in the bedroom or otherwise, I don't buy into it.

I think all people ought to be given the amount of respect that he/she deserves.

If a woman buckles her unmentionables (no not undergarments!) into the car and drives into a lake to kill her unmentionables then tries to escape but also locks herself in the car thus drowning herself as well I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say she probably wasn't terribly superior to anyone, let alone at least half the people on the planet.

Likewise if a man loses his job, comes home, blasts away his family and then snuffs himself out I really can't get on board the bandwagon touting his superiority.

But if you also tell me that he tried to hang himself and snapped the rope then stabbed himself but missed anything vital then tried to take pills but found out they were multivitamins and finally bled to death while dialing 911 I'll definitely nominate him and Miss I've Got Gills But No Brains for a Darwin Award.

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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/12/2006 8:14:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick

Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supremacy? I find that disturbing. I find female chauvinism disturbing. What is even more disturbing to me is how you choose to edit your profile, in the interest section there is a choice to choose female supremacy but arrr where is the choice to tick the box called male supremacy???

If the choice was there I would not choose it. Anyone who thinks their gender is more superior than the other is an chauvinist idiot. I do find it sexist and discriminatory against males to have female supremacy accepted but not male supremacy in this site.

I understand this type of thing is used for BDSM play but why can’t a male dom have this option?



Maybe because we still live in a patriarchy? (you might argue a dying one but a lot of folks still believe this is a patriarchy)

I think that "female supremacy" is also much more fetish in quality for some folks -- not all but I notice a lot of publications and visual media which claim this title seem very stereotyped and fetish inclined in terms of clothing and expressions.

I don't think it is any more accepted -- look at the post before yours.

I, personally, find the concept insulting to me! I mean, really, how wonderful it is to be viewed as dominant simply for my body parts? I'd rather by adored for me not for something I didn't have any control over unless I want to have several surgeries.

However when one reads a "Ask a Mistress" section of a board it seems very likely that you'll run into female supremacy from time to time. I mean, if you read the poly section why would you be surprised to find claims that poly is better than monogamy? If you read the Gor section why would you be surprised to find threads about the naturalness of female slavery?



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RE: female slaves as tops - 2/13/2006 8:06:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		i sub scribe to what i call personal dominant or submissive superority you choose how you are superor to anonther eather protectivly or servilly oddly being submissive does not make one infeiror because you shoose to give your love trust and emotions where as someone who is dominantly supiror shows thet're protectivness so in away a dom shows supirority by taking care of a sub and the subshows they own for by providing they're dom a love that is like now other

i know maybe one person might get this but it's how i see things

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