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seaturtle50 -> RE: normal reaction? (2/10/2006 5:08:39 PM)

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Love unrequited, robs me of me rest,
Love, hopeless love, my ardent soul encumbers,
Love, nightmare like, lies heavy of me chest,
And weaves itself into my midnight slumbers.

When you're lying awake with a dismal headache and
Repose is taboo'd by anxiety,
I conceive you may use any language you choose to
Indulge in, without impropriety;
For your brain is on fire, the bed-clothes conspire of
Usual slumber to plunder you:
First your counter-pane goes, and uncovers your toes,
And your sheet slips demurely from under you;
Then the blanketing tickles, you feel like mixed
Pickles, so terribly sharp is the pricking,
And you're hot and you're cross, and you tumble and
Toss 'til there's nothing 'twixt you and the
Ticking.
Then the bed-clothes all creep to the ground in a heap
And you pick 'em all up in a tangle;
Next your pillow resigns and politely declines to
Remain at it's usual angle!
Well, you get some repose in the form of a dose, with
Hot eye-balls and head ever aching,
But your slumbering teems with such horrible dreams
That you'd very much better be waking;
For you dream you are crossing the channel, and
Tossing about in a steamer from harwich,
Which is something between a large bathing machine and
A very small second class carriage,
And you're giving a treat (penny ice and cold meat) to
A party of friends and relations,
They're a ravenous horde, and they all come on board
At sloane square and south kensington stations.
And bound on that journey you find your attorney
(who started this morning from devon);
He's a bit undersiz'd and you don't feel surpris'd
When he tells you he's only eleven.
Well you're driving like mad with this singular lad
(by the bye the ship's now a four wheeler),
And you're playing round games, and he calls you bad


Names when you tell him that "ties pay the dealer";
But this you can't stand so you throw up your hand,
And you find you're as cold as an icicle;
In your shirt and your socks (the black silk with gold
Clocks) crossing sal'sbury plain on a bicycle:
And he and the crew are on bicycles too, which they've
Somehow or other invested in,
And he's telling the tars all the particulars of a
Company he's interested in;
It's a scheme of devices, to get at low prices, all
Good from cough mixtures to cables
(which tickled the sailors), by treating retailers as
Though they were all vegetables;
You get a good spadesman to plant a small tradesman
(first take off his boots with a boot tree),
And his legs will take root, and his fingers will
Shoot, and they'll blossom and bud like a fruit
Tree;
From the green grocer tree you get grapes and green
Pea, cauliflower, pine apple and cranberries,
While the pastry cook plant cherry brandy will grant,
Apple puffs, and three corners, and banburys;
The shares are a penny and ever so many are taken by
Rothschild and baring,
And just as a few are allotted to you, you awake
And with a shudder despairing
You're a regular wreck, with a crick in your neck, and
No wonder you snore, for your head's on the floor
And you've needles and pins from your soles to your
Shins, and your flesh is acreep, for your left leg's
Asleep,
And you've cramp in your toes, and a fly on your nose,
And some fluff in your lung, and a feverish tongue,
And a thirst that's intense,
And a general sense that you haven't been sleeping in
Clover;
But the darkness has pass'd, and it's daylight at
Last, and the night has been long, ditto, ditto my
Song,
And thank goodness they're both of them over!

-- Lord Chancelor's Nightmare Song - Todd Rundgren




KittenWithaTwist -> RE: normal reaction? (2/10/2006 6:23:54 PM)

Sometimes, it's just nice to hang out with people who do understand where you're coming from but don't have to talk about it *all* the time. I like going to munches because I like hanging out with my friends.




artglfr -> RE: normal reaction? (2/10/2006 7:49:47 PM)

I agree in that Munches can be dry and boring BUT how else are you ever going to meet people in your area that are lifestyle oriented unless you are fortunate enough to live in a place that has multiple Lifestyle groups and activities.

Everyone has to start some where and Munches are usually the place to start.

I met many good people at our local Munch and do not attend as many as I perhaps should but they are excellent places to meet the people.

Try again, and perhaps find a seat closer to someone you relate to better. If you arrive 10 or 15 minutes early you may chat with people as they arrive. Mention you are new to the area and I would be surprised if you weren't introduced as a new person to the area and people were friendly towards you.

good luck,
Art




Focus50 -> RE: normal reaction? (2/11/2006 12:38:09 AM)

I think for the majority of us, BDSM had it's origins in the dark corridors of our minds where dominating another consensually is just not socially acceptible in a theoretically egalitarian vanilla society. So it has a stigma attached; is taboo or even wrong! <gasp>

So, if you're like me, it's refreshing to mingle with others of likemind and openly discuss that which is normally never mentioned to even those close to us. It's liberating to feel "normal" like everyone else present.

That said, it sounds like your munch was a little too sanitised and not only was that stigma present where it's not welcome or expected, it sounds more like a gathering of whispering conspirators acting like the room's bugged.... Tends to throw me back to my pre BDSM days where I didn't feel like I belonged in a vanilla world - and, sexually, I don't!

I don't know about "losing it" for 3 whole weeks, but I'd be turned off, too! I'm over feeling like I'm "broken" and don't belong; you should stay away from that lot. Mind you, there's bound to be at least one or two present who felt as you did, so keep your options open. Maybe you can get your own gathering together - if you like that sort of thing....

Focus.




slave4Darby3d -> RE: normal reaction? (2/11/2006 4:33:23 AM)

I think you answered your own question in your initial post - when you asked about your own expectations.

You expected something different. Plain and simple.

This particular group sounds like they just like to get together, have a meal like any group of people, and are content with the kinship of knowing they are part of a community. And, every group will have it's "moderator(s)" who will feel the need to correct the "newbies". Whatev...

Get out - go to some more munches. Curb your expectations. It's just you and a bunch of people who share common interests sitting down for a meal and to get to know one another. Ultimately, you'll find out more about yourself and you'll build some friendships/associations from your time well spent.




Oberonrex -> RE: normal reaction? (2/11/2006 5:39:08 AM)

You might be surprised at how many fen are into various aspects... *G*

In all seriousness, each group -- and sometimes even different meetings -- are different. Look around and check out other local groups. In NE Alabama where I used to live, there were at one point four or five local groups and each had a very different flavor and/or focus. Public munches were, for the most part, very discrete and there might be little or no discussion of anything. The regular meetings, since they were not in a public place, often included a demo on a topic and a lot of discussion, along with some play afterwards.

As for the constant corrections, *shrug* You will get that sometime from an individual or a small group within the larger group. First, listen to see if there is anything you can learn from it. Second, see how the rest of the group takes it. Body language will tell you a lot about the one/ones doing it and if they are a significant part of the group or group leadership. If they are not, take your cue from the rest and ignore, humor, whatever, and then talk with the others.

Bottom line: Find the groups and meetings that work for you. Dive in, and enjoy.




keptcaged -> RE: normal reaction? (2/13/2006 6:03:11 AM)

Wow! Again may i say thank you to all.
To clarify and respond to several....
*No advances from other males...just being around stright male Dommes was a vibe i didn't expect. It was an option that of course i expected to be around, just never thought i would notice it let alone feel wierd in it's midst.
*The mingle aspect was not there because we sat all at one long table. We sat, ate and left.
* i wholeheartedly agree.....once does not an accurate opinion make. (if it did, who among us would try many of the things we've come to love?)
Thanks to all again.




Sensualips -> RE: normal reaction? (2/13/2006 6:16:27 AM)

Some people enjoy munches for the exact reasons you listed -- there is no pressure to play, no awkwardness of watching others play, no intimidation of being expected to jump into lots of kink talk. Instead it is more casual and a time to meet some people from your area. Maybe it is not your thing or maybe you need a new group. My first munch or two were pretty boring, but it did help me get to know people and ease into things. Now I still go sometimes and it is much more entertaining as I know some people.

Still, I prefer play parties or specific classes/demos that I know I will be interested in. I also like posting on the local list servs (gasp, imagine that!) and that is a more convenient way to become familiar with some people prior to meeting them. Just what works for me.

While I am no expert, none of the munches I attended were particularly arousing (unless I grabbed a seat next to someone I was interested in and proceded to shamelessly flirt all through the meal.) They did not have a long lasting kink-sucking effect as you described though.

There is an assortment of people looking and trying so hard to connect with someone else. Observing that makes me feel a little sad sometimes.




MysticalPhoenix -> RE: normal reaction? (2/13/2006 6:32:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: keptcaged

About a month ago I went to a "social" which i was told is a munch, just that it's in the evening. It was at a local restaurant. everyone sat and ordered dinner. There was no outward display of bdsm. There was very little discussion of same. There were moments where, when discussed, one member would correct/clarify the others viewpoint or terminology.
I felt like I was at a Trekkie convention!



Outward displays of bdsm tend to be frowned upon in public restaurants. The group that munches in my area tends to be rather low-key at the weekday munches, but a lot of bdsm-related conversation goes on. In addition to discussions of star trek, alternative spirituality, polyamory, Ren faire's, Commodore 64's, etc. I remember one munch where several of us gave a person who had never heard of a Betamax quite a hard time for it.

If this isn't your cup of tea, you may find the bdsm scene kind of boring. Most of the people involved in it are nerds and geeks, and tend to talk of nerdy and geeky things, and not be terribly socially adept. It can be a bit of an adjustment if you are new to the subculture. and you don't see them as being like you.

Some munches can be wilder-the monthly weekend munch not only sees more people dressed in fetish or goth wear (but still appropriate to be seen in public in a vanilla setting), and a lot more overt activity. But still in keeping with being out in a public vanilla place.

quote:

ORIGINAL: keptcaged

This meeting somehow sucked my entire libido/kink factor out of me for 3 weeks after!!! I had no interest in kink. NOTHING aroused me. It was that "aftershock" that amazed me and freaked me a little.
My thoughts are either,A. i was in a room of people that i thought would be a lot like me and they appeared to be nothing like me, so i alienanted me from myself (phew) or B. i'm more of a 1 on 1 or 1 on 2 person and the group atmosphere "shut me down" mentally.
Whu happened? Any thoughts?


Your expectations were not in line with reality.

Munches are a way to meet people in the scene, and get to know them as people. They are social and thus, primarily for talking. When i first got into the scene, I went to local social events that were at private locations (I eventually hosted one at my home) called Kinky Cocktail Parties. I was entirely confused as there were no cocktails present, and nothing kinky as we all sat around and talked.

Eventually, the people in your local munch bunch will be more open with you and you will end up being invited to private play parties. And there will be all the kinky activities your little heart desires.

Phoenix




phoenix1 -> RE: normal reaction? (2/13/2006 6:39:09 AM)

It sounds to me like your expectations were just different than how the evening went, and that threw you off then and afterwards. The first munch I went to started out as a waxing workshop, after that... the same group of people went to a restaurant and all sat together... after that... the same group went to a gay/lesbian nightclub.

I was able to see how everyone was in 3 totally different settings, which was very interesting.

If I were you, I wouldn't dump that group... I bet on one of their other functions they may just end up living up to all of your wildest expectations!

I'd also feel more comfortable to be around the munch group in a typical setting such as a restaurant... we can assume what they are like in a bdsm-type setting, so the vanilla setting would give me a broader view of what they are like overall.




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