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slavenoone -> i have a question (2/10/2006 3:18:04 PM)
Greetings Masters hope all are well, i have a question for mostly the ones that consider themselfes old gaurd, or Gorean. Please note i am a slave and i have come you as more of way of seeking an understanding. If you were a Master who had a slave, even one who carries your mark in the way of a tattoo. but for reasons unknown to her, you have shut all forms of commuciation with, and have basicly left her out on her own dangling. How long would you excpet her to wait or feel like she is part of your life, before she had the right to move on with her life. thank you take care and be safe slave no one

mnottertail -> RE: i have a question (2/10/2006 3:36:20 PM)
zero milliseconds plus or minus... Ron

Kinkypupper -> RE: i have a question (2/10/2006 3:39:41 PM)
1/4 time of the total relationship. SO if you are together 1 year.. wait 3 months. OR in writing beg "release" as you are apparently no longer pleasing.

sweetpettjenny -> RE: i have a question (2/10/2006 4:02:27 PM)
Just as much as it is your responsibility to serve , it is His to tell you , whether you are released or owned. He needs to step up or truelly he is no Dominant at all....

RavenMuse -> RE: i have a question (2/10/2006 4:08:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavenoone If you were a Master who had a slave, even one who carries your mark in the way of a tattoo. but for reasons unknown to her, you have shut all forms of commuciation with, and have basicly left her out on her own dangling. How long would you excpet her to wait or feel like she is part of your life, before she had the right to move on with her life. Firstly, there is only one situation where I could see this happening between myself and a sub/slave, namely I had been hit by a bus and was either in a coma or dead! If I am displeased enough with her that I do not wish to see her again then I would still feel honourbound to at least inform her of that fact. In the unlikely event of there being no contact from me at all then it would depend on the nature of our relationship as to how fast I would expect her to assume she had been released. If I was in regular contact and saw her maybe weekly, then after the first week I would expect a polite message respectfully asking if there was some problem. After maybe the second or third, if there was still no contact then maybe more effort to find out what the situation was both directly and also discreatly if she know some of my other aquaintences (Asking them if I was all right and if they could ask that I get in touch). After five or six weeks then I would expect her to assume she had been released. As I say, not a situation I could ever envisage happening involving myself. I consider it a cowardly way to end a relationship (Not saying this is the case in your situation only you can judge what has happened there, but in general)

mnottertail -> RE: i have a question (2/10/2006 4:13:48 PM)
Dear RavenMuse, I understand and agree wholeheartedly with your post........ In terms of self-respect and honor... However; OP... You are married; one-- two will be left to your imagination as well as any other ordinals that you may suggest. The chances of his laying in a snow-covered ditch with his life's blood seeping from his body with your name escaping his dying lips for a week or so is about (what the hell is one divided by zero, you mathmaticos, out there?) Again, Ron

KatyLied -> RE: i have a question (2/10/2006 4:26:37 PM)
quote: have basicly left her out on her own dangling. She should ask herself the following question.......Does she enjoy dangling? If yes, carry on. If no, walk away. See how easy it is?

IronBear -> RE: i have a question (2/10/2006 5:05:31 PM)
From the purely personal perspective of a Gorean Master, this would not happen. I would not dishonour myself or my home to allow such an event to happen be the subject slave or Free. The one constant here is that the subject would be a part of House Iron Bear and even the animals of the house would not be left in ignorance. Were some bus, truck, vehical of any description, piece of space junk, crazed person with a weapon wanting to kill me (ermm include those who I have pissed off) or any other catrostophy natural or un-natural, incapacitate me, my Wife/Free Companion, Lady Neets, would deal with informing all members of the house and in the most unlikely situation of me being dead, (and you can bet your tits, balls or what ever that God and I will be having a serious head to head in which time I will make him/her an offer he/she can't refuse), she will make whar decisions necessary and maintain the running of the house with my divine guidence from the newly created Gorean Resort lately refered to as Heaven. It's all in the game and how you play it!

fastlane -> RE: i have a question (2/11/2006 6:35:53 AM)
I am afraid there is no right or wrong answer in this BDSM book of etiquite. I believe this is an instinctual act that only the party involved can feel and know, when it's time.

krikket -> RE: i have a question (2/11/2006 4:58:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear From the purely personal perspective of a Gorean Master, this would not happen. she will make whar decisions necessary and maintain the running of the house with my divine guidence from the newly created Gorean Resort lately refered to as Heaven. It's all in the game and how you play it! Ahhh, IronBear, it's truly too bad more don't have your sense of honor and justice. As i told someone the other day, i'd rather be "hurt" by the truth, than "saved" by a lie or silence... but then, that's just me, i guess. /sigh

RavenMuse -> RE: i have a question (2/11/2006 5:15:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: krikket As i told someone the other day, i'd rather be "hurt" by the truth, than "saved" by a lie or silence... but then, that's just me, i guess. /sigh Not just you petal. There are others of us out here who value truth and honesty. People who say they are trying to protect the other person by lies or silence are only trying to convince themself that they have an excuse.... there is NO excuse, the truth always hurts less in the long run. IMO anyhow.

amayos -> Neither Gorean nor Old Guard, but... (2/12/2006 9:41:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavenoone How long would you excpet her to wait or feel like she is part of your life, before she had the right to move on with her life. If a slave, she is always mine—no matter how long I discard her for. Those who are mine understand the reasoning in this, but for the general 'relationship', I'd say that long-term silence is an indication you have been abandoned. If there is no harm in it, I would gently find out first before moving on.

MHOO314 -> RE: Neither Gorean nor Old Guard, but... (2/12/2006 12:48:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amayos quote: ORIGINAL: slavenoone How long would you excpet her to wait or feel like she is part of your life, before she had the right to move on with her life. If a slave, she is always mine—no matter how long I discard her for. Those who are mine understand the reasoning in this, but for the general 'relationship', I'd say that long-term silence is an indication you have been abandoned. If there is no harm in it, I would gently find out first before moving on. Ok let Me get this, you have a slave, but you discard her, no longer want her, but she cannot go on with her life and find another Master?

fastlane -> RE: Neither Gorean nor Old Guard, but... (2/12/2006 3:18:29 PM)
quote: let Me get this, you have a slave, but you discard her, no longer want her, but she cannot go on with her life and find another Master? _____________________________ uh yeah...go figure? Coz, I can't! Time to move on..Master's are a dime a dozen, good slave's hard to find...need my address?

amayos -> RE: Neither Gorean nor Old Guard, but... (2/12/2006 10:00:29 PM)
Sometimes, yes.

BitaTruble -> RE: Neither Gorean nor Old Guard, but... (2/12/2006 11:05:36 PM)
quote: Ok let Me get this, you have a slave, but you discard her, no longer want her, but she cannot go on with her life and find another Master? Amayos probably has a completely different mindset, but for me, discarded is not released or freed. I do understand that 'sometimes' the slave cannot go on with her life and find another Master, but I doubt I have either the wit or eloquence to explain it but if you bear with me, I will try. Himself feels the exact same way as Amayos, though, again, that might be the only commonality here. I don't have the choice to leave, he has the choice to discard me and only he has the power to free me. I came into this with my eyes wide open and I knew it was permanent as long as Himself desired it to be so. That's why I made damn sure this was the right thing for me before I did it. It's why Master held off for well over 2 years before honoring me with his collar, even though we lived together. I made a vow, during my collaring and later, during our wedding. I didn't speak that vow lightly and I will not break that vow and lower the meaning of my words by doing so. I knew the man to whom I was committing my life. Let me answer the question before it arises... the 'what if' question that always arises when I speak on this subject. What if Himself changes and is suddenly no longer the man you know, demands things of you or tries to exceed your boundaries that he swore he would never do. To that, I answer this. Master Michael is 'not' that man and if 'that' man were to come into the shell which holds my cherished love whom I call Master, then it is because Himself is dead and upon his death, I am freed for the vow was 'as long as you both shall live.' While Master Michael lives and breaths, all that I am belongs to him. To use, to discard, to give away, to enjoy.. whatever it may be. I have no desire to be discarded nor given away or anything else that would take me away from him, so I serve him as he desires, bring him enormous pleasure, comfort his sorrows, lend him my strength, understand his needs and desires, entertain him with my wit, my body and anything else I have available so that he'll wish to keep me always. Well, that may or may not have explained things. I don't know. I understand it though, so that's the important thing. I consented to it and it doesn't effect another living soul but Himself. Celeste - posting with Masters permission and agreement with the caveat that he hates the word 'discarded'.

Nosathro -> RE: i have a question (2/12/2006 11:28:43 PM)
greetings slavenoone I as a Gorean Master and Slaver that trains in the kajira ways consider communication very important. If a Master just drops out of sight I figure him for a Player, and not a Gorean. Sorry but I hear this sort of thing all to oftern. I wish you well Nosathro

MasterRobert1 -> RE: i have a question (2/13/2006 6:05:36 AM)
If a Master owns a slave, it is wrong to "leave her hanging". Period. If there is a problem; if I planned on ending the relationship; if I were moving on with my life, then I would have no choice but to be honest and discuss the situation with her, allow her to move on with her life too. Ownership has obligations as well as priveleges.

Arpig -> RE: i have a question (2/13/2006 10:53:09 AM)
Myself, i say it depends on just how seriously you take the term "slave". If you truely consider yourself owned...then you just await your owner's pleasure. If he/she never speaks to you again, then you just keep waiting. If you do not consider yourself 100% owned, but only conditionally so, then you wait as long as suits you.

Lordandmaster -> RE: i have a question (2/13/2006 11:01:30 AM)
It's a fine example of all the self-righteousness and sanctimoniousness you find in both the BDSM and Gorean worlds that so many people here are rushing to point out that a master who leaves a slave dangling like this is an asshole, lout, player, insert-your-own-demeaning-epithet. Yes, obviously. We all know that. That wasn't the question. The question was how long, as a slave, should you wait if you're placed in that situation? I find that a very interesting and difficult question. On the one hand, if someone who normally talks to you every day has suddenly stopped talking to you, it's a good sign that you've been abandoned. On the other hand, who really believes that a slave who has given all of herself to someone can just walk away without any explanation or closure? You've been abandoned, bye bye, have a nice life? I think the only real answer is that everyone is on their own timetable, and when your body tells you it's time to move on, then it's time to move on. I don't think other people can give you very useful advice, because what you're really going through is grief. Everyone handles grief differently.

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