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I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 9:41:40 AM   
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First off, this isn't my normal sn for cm.  I have been on here for quite a long time, and am not new to the whole real time world of bdsm.

My problem is, I am sick of pain.  I guess I used to be a masochist for the most part, though it was never to the extreme, I could handle my share.  I find now though that I am just tired of it.  I don't want to be hurt, I don't really want anything to do with the whole life for the most part.  I can't say for sure what has changed this, but I do know that over the years I have changed a lot in my beliefs, my state of mind, and just how I view things.

I am not against this, I just don't feel it anymore.  When he and I were together the other day, he was hurting me much like he usually does, I hated it.  I wanted to kick, scream, knock the shit out of him and leave my home.  It wasn't any worse than any other time, but I have felt this coming on for quite a while.  I almost feel as though I have been assaulted by the time it is over and even like I am in an abusive relationship.  He isn't abusive, btw, but it's where my head is at.

The thing is, this isn't a thing I can just walk away from.  He is a dominant and sadist.  He needs all of those things in order to be satisfied sexually.  He is also my husband, and I went into this knowing this is what my life would be like.  The thing is, I had no idea that I would want out of it at any time, it felt so much a part of who I was.

I am finding myself falling in depression over all of this.  I lay there and take it, I say what he tells me to, then it's over and I am left empty from the depth of my soul.  I walk around in a daze, tired, and I just feel like I lose a bit of myself with every day.

I really, honestly don't know what to do.  I don't have anywhere to get away to for a bit to think, I have my life here with my husband, my home...all of those other things that occupy my time.

Has anyone else ever gone through this?  How did you handle it?  Did the desire ever come back, if so, how?

I am just honestly at a loss and I don't know where to turn.  I am hoping someone can give me some good advice, or something in order to find a way to get through whatever this is.

Thank you.


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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 9:52:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tiredofpain

I am not against this, I just don't feel it anymore.  When he and I were together the other day, he was hurting me much like he usually does, I hated it.  I wanted to kick, scream, knock the shit out of him and leave my home.  It wasn't any worse than any other time, but I have felt this coming on for quite a while.  I almost feel as though I have been assaulted by the time it is over and even like I am in an abusive relationship.  He isn't abusive, btw, but it's where my head is at.



By the sounds of it you and your husband/master need to sit down and you need to express this to him. You both entered into the relationship and marriage along guidelines and mutual agreements and yes, time dos change a person's feelings/wants/desires etc and this has to be communicated. Somewhere along the line you have moved away  from the pain aspect of your d/s dynamic. Most couples will state that communication is the key to a good marriage and one that has a good chance of continual success. Does he know you are hating the pain play? Have you done what you could to make him fully understand exactly how you are feeling? Have you also asked him if his need to maintain the status quo is still there or has it changed like yours has?


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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 10:01:33 AM   
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Why haven't you told him?

Do you think he wouldn't understand, doesn't care for you? Is his dominance such a transient thing that all he can do is flog you and hurt you?

I'm a sadist. I ADORE making my girl hurt....but I'm not such a bastard that I won't lay off if she's going thru a bad patch. I don't know either of you, but let me ask - is your husband a bastard? No.

When did you make the decision, despite all of the advice on these boards - and who knows, you might have contributed greatly to - that says "communication, communication, communication, don't just lie there and take it" - when did you decide to go against it all?

OK, my tone is harsh, but if you've been here for a while, meaning the forums in particular, you damn well know better.

Sit down and talk, I beg you. Today. Please.

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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 10:17:46 AM   
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There are times when you have to be true to yourself.

Pain is not ALL there is to this lifestyle and a Master who is also a Sadist may require those things however anyone worth their salt will also say that getting what they want at the expense of another is not something they are willing to do.

As for advice I will echo what I am sure you will get a LOT of on this thread.

TALK TO HIM!!! It is time to express this desire you have to beat the shit out of him. Discuss with him what you are feeling when you play, explain how it is making you miserable and that you are at a breaking point then discuss what your options are.

Option 1: End it, and move on, if he cannot accept that you are no longer interested in what you once were and he is not willing to change any aspect of your life then yes moving on will be painful but much less so than staying.

Option 2: Suggest a New Dynamic where he gets a Masochist Play Partner where you can still maintain the D/s Dynamic with someone else meeting the S&M Dynamic

Option 3: Discuss the Level of play that you are okay with perhaps changing the style of play is all that is needed to revamp the desire. Perhaps get rid of all the nasty painful play and replace it with erotic and sensual play.

Option 4: Perhaps with your current desire to beat the shit outta him maybe you are more prone to the other side of the whip perhaps you both look for a play partner where you can BOTH top them at the same time. or each find individual play partners whom you can play with while reserving the romantic aspects with each other.

No matter the option you take it needs to be dealt with IMMEDIATLY!!! to feel the way you are feeling about things after being okay with them shows that something has changed and it needs to be addressed right away.

C-Mail me if you want to talk further on this matter. I am always willing to be a ear and a voice of reason however it may not always be what you want to hear.

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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 10:19:39 AM   
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I don't know anything at all about your relationship.

Having said that... why haven't you told him?

Is he someone who basically expects you to put up and shut up?

He is YOUR master; your husband.

Not only are you depriving him of your authentic self, but it is also less than honest.

Part of what is causing you the distress is likely you are keeping it from him and it has become a burden that you are carrying alone.
This is creating a resentment entirely of your own making....which is making things all the more difficult.



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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 11:04:01 AM   
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there are times when I really don't want pain (once in a while... not often.) I find that they go away when I get my quota of snuggles and gentle treatment. For me it's similar to sex. Sometimes I'm just not into it..

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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 12:29:23 PM   
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You need to be totally honest with him. Having these negative feelings of resentment and hiding them, letting them fester on the inside, is NOT healthy for you or for him. Imagine if he knew what you had been internalising, how awful you have been feeling, he would feel terrible and guilt-ridden. He would feel like an abuser, and if he is a decent person, this is NOT right or fair. Talk to him. The worst that could happen is that the both of you realise that this is not working and end up moving on, to be with others who give you both what you need.

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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 3:42:07 PM   
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Please talk to him as soon as possible. If you can not talk to him, write him a letter. Maye it is to hard for you in a face to face situation.

You have to let him know about your feelings. If you let it happen again and again, i am afraid that your love for your master/husband will suffer.

Maybe you are in a depression, maybe something inside you changed. I think it is very important to rule a depression out. If something has changed in you, than you and your husband have to find a way.

Talk to him!

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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 4:52:28 PM   
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I'm dead serious.  Get a checkup.  Something inside you has changed, and it could be several things:

1. A physical change in you.
2. A mental change in you.
3. Some resentment about something that festered a dislike that comes out when you get beaten.


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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 5:04:35 PM   
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quote:

I am just honestly at a loss and I don't know where to turn. I am hoping someone can give me some good advice, or something in order to find a way to get through whatever this is.



No stranger can help you through this, I think you know that, but here is my advice for what little it is worth.

You are afraid to lose what you have, it is very understandable, but in doing so you risk who you are, and you need to understand that as well.

Everyone who has responded before me is right, you need to talk to him, you need to take the risk and tell him how you feel. It may be that he is as tired as you and you are both going through the motions because you each think the other expects it, and so he may in fact be relieved  that you came to him.

There is also the risk that he may feel that you are rejecting him, that it is not that you are tired of the pain but that he no longer excites you, or that you no longer need him. Be sure to tell him that is not the case, that is is not his fault but rather it is just that things change, because the reality is that they do, it is a simple truth, the lie is to pretend that they don't.

Clearly you are afraid that he will reject you and seek another partner who will fulfill his sadistic needs, but you cannot know that, and in the end there is no way to know that or how he will react, and  it is a risk YOU MUST TAKE or you will die a little every day until there is nothing left but a memory of who you used to be.





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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 5:18:03 PM   
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a little bell tinkled as i read youre OP and the subsequent answers.  im going to suggest a thought that came through, you can discard it immediately if its crap, i dont know you and i dont know youre situation, but this is what came into my head anyway.

when i was in a relationship where the level of control became too much, i said nothing, there were times when i even provoked him, i wanted him to push me so far over the edge that the question of walking was no longer anathama to me. i remember feeling incredibly empty and angry and i turned that against him, believing it was all just pointless and over.   it all went to hell, the relationship ended because it had to and i walked away from Ds for a number of years.  so yes, it did come back, it never went, it just wasnt working with him.  but maybe if id talked to him instead of using everything we did as a reason to leave we might have worked it out.

people seem to be afraid of transitional change, that somehow it means that its all come to an end, when in fact all that it is, is that you have moved on from what youre doing and you need to review and recharge and maybe alter the emphasis somewhere.  relationships rarely stay the same, if they do they become stagnant and die just as easily as if they change too much to continue.  the easy route is to say its over and leave.  the real test is to ride the transition and come out the other end still in tact.  but it takes communication.

its far better to talk and then go from there.

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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 5:19:59 PM   
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Talk to him. Otherwise you will start to hate him and will lose the marriage anyway. You said you went into this knowing what it would be like. Did he say that if for any reason it had to stop he would divorce you? Did he specify including a chronic illness. Because if he cares more about getting his beat and fuck than your well being, your marriage is already down the tubes.

Talk to him before it's too late.

And yes, get a check up immediately. You're tired and depressed, could be depression, could be thyroid, could be a dozen different things.

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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 7:28:04 PM   
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It sounds like you are going along with it because you feel it is the only way to please him.  Maybe when talking with him you could find some type of compromise.  As an easy example, maybe only every other session will include pain while the ones in between will be snuggly (or whatever percentage the two of you want to work out).  It doesn't need to be an all or nothing proposition for either of you, and you don't have to open your relationship to outsiders unless you both want to.

I know how difficult it is when we don't want to hurt someone.  I also learned the hard way that by keeping your concerns to yourself, no matter how well meaning you are, your level of fulfillment will drop and you will soon wonder why you are in the relationship at all.  It is easy to want to blame the other person but there are times when you are your own worst culprit because you didn't communicate your needs clearly.  If you need to have sessions with no pain in order to bear up to those that have it, then you also need to make that clear.  You can do it respectfully but you need to be honest to keep your sanity.


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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 8:47:02 PM   
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I'm sorry you're going through this.  This might be one of those times that if you were in a 'nilla relationship you could kabitz with your girlfriends over what's going on.  Networking on a message board just isn't the same as confiding in someone who has been your close friend. 
Others have stated what needs to be said, you and your husband/master need to talk.   I'm sure there are many dynamics at work and my guess is you're almost as upset that he needs to be told, that he's not reading what you are feeling.  
My best wishes that you work out whatever is best for you - be well and  be true to yourself. 

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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 8:55:43 PM   
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Hiya, i went thru a similar situation with my Mistress on 2004. She had a liking to extreme pain which was OK with me till i was satisfied with her treatment. But once things started to be like same old stuff, i started to feel the real pain of the abuse. I cried over it for very long without informing my Mistress about my situation. and my Mistress went on to give me the same treatment for more than six months.

Later one day I had met Mistress Delilah in a sex forum and posted my worry to her. And She immediately called me a coward and told me to talk to my Mistress. Which i did the next day. My Mistress happily released me as she likes to DOMME and into extreme pain, and even found me a new Master who is more caring and lovable.

Now i have a limitation to extreme pain which my Master acknowledges. He understands that this lifestyle i not about pleasure in pain, but it is about love, affection and submission. Now i am living happily with my Master understanding each others limitations.

So the best way is to let our Masters/Mistresses know how we feel. Thats the best way to go.

Hope this helps......

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RE: I am just not interested - 6/9/2009 9:04:19 PM   
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Gosh, I was gone for the evening and the answers piled up on me a tad bit.  I am still reading them, but didn't want anyone to think I had abandoned the thread.  I will answer things as I can, though I might not be able to hit on each post specifically.

Thank you for all of the responses, it means so much.

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RE: I am just not interested - 6/10/2009 8:26:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lally2

a little bell tinkled as i read youre OP and the subsequent answers.  im going to suggest a thought that came through, you can discard it immediately if its crap, i dont know you and i dont know youre situation, but this is what came into my head anyway.

when i was in a relationship where the level of control became too much, i said nothing, there were times when i even provoked him, i wanted him to push me so far over the edge that the question of walking was no longer anathama to me. i remember feeling incredibly empty and angry and i turned that against him, believing it was all just pointless and over.   it all went to hell, the relationship ended because it had to and i walked away from Ds for a number of years.  so yes, it did come back, it never went, it just wasnt working with him.  but maybe if id talked to him instead of using everything we did as a reason to leave we might have worked it out.

people seem to be afraid of transitional change, that somehow it means that its all come to an end, when in fact all that it is, is that you have moved on from what youre doing and you need to review and recharge and maybe alter the emphasis somewhere.  relationships rarely stay the same, if they do they become stagnant and die just as easily as if they change too much to continue.  the easy route is to say its over and leave.  the real test is to ride the transition and come out the other end still in tact.  but it takes communication.

its far better to talk and then go from there.


Lally's post is full of wisdom.

I'll join the chorus advising communication.

It looks as though you are no longer responding to your partner, primarily, but to your settled notions about what he wants, what he can enjoy and what he is capable of finding fulfilling.

He may be the quite narrow person your presumptions seem to describe. Then again it may be that given his care for you there are a range of configurations which the relationship could take for him, with different external factors representing the same crucial emotional meanings.

Consider-- for a moment and reject the idea if you choose to--the degree to which you are domming the crap out of this whole situation. You seem to be deciding for him what he feels, the range of his desires and interests .. a whole lot, really. Without demonstrating the courtesy or respect of just talking to him.

You also seem to be storing up items which could rapidly blossom into a bouquet of resentments so stinky that neither of you will care to address the issues at that point, a la lally2's past experience.

Do you care for him? Do you trust him? Suffering all this pain and emptiness now may be hard.  As others have suggested, though, it may be a cheesy cop-out from the deeply difficult but potentially restorative--or fatal--effort to communicate freely.

And communicate not just once. His first reaction to your news may be far from what he comes to over time.

These are tectonic shifts and should probably be brought out with an intention to allow plenty of time, perhaps months at least, and plenty of open conversations during which you can each come to grips with your own and your partner's present position. All this can only happen once you know--rather than presume--what his position currently is.

If he doesn't even know the problem exists then it is reasonable to say that he doesn't even have a position toward it, yet. Therefore any position you may be ascribing to him is necessarily false, or at best a stab at fortune telling.

I see a person keeping a terrible, terrible secret from someone she loves. Bad enough.  All the while she seems to be carrying on an un-reality-checked internal dialog utterly corrosive to that to which she and her husband have sworn to dedicate themselves.

Frankly it smacks of the Drama Queen, even if nothing else in your life deserves this label.

I'm not guilt-tripping you. There may be a pattern of events which has seemed to shove you into this position. Still, until you air it out you will never know if it has been a pattern of events as such or just a pattern of perceptions, perhaps mis-perceptions on your part.

Or such a pattern may be all-too-real, with culpability on his part. But have you the right to judge that he cannot or will not own up to this and find in his best self a way to move forward with you?

Can you swear that your revulsion at once-desired pain is even the key issue for you, not just a manifestation of something else, perhaps deeper?

If O. Henry were scripting your story it might turn out that, all unbeknownst to you, there is something in him which longs for the opportunity to subplant pain with tenderness, but he consciously or unconsciously feels blocked from sharing his own "terrible" secret with you.

I urge you to honor your vow and all that is good in him and yourself. Submit to him in this one thing, even if it may well be the last thing. Submit not by acquiescing to pain you can no longer handle, but by trusting him to hear you. Quit perceiving and deciding for the both of you.

Tell him you need to bring up something difficult, complex, and large. Then talk to the guy.

And just as important:

A} Give him time to inhabit this new world--and yourself time to see what it feels like once this secret truth is shared.

... and, throughout,

B.} Listen to him.

He may have much more game than you're giving him credit for.

I wish you courage and good luck.



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RE: I am just not interested - 6/10/2009 9:06:12 PM   
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Step away from this reflective fear you have for seeing yourself as his masochist (when you are starting to feel you're losing that role). In addition to being that, you are also his wife and his submissive. Both of those (especially the latter, IMHO) require you to share with him important information as to any and everything that affects your dynamic. You are letting him do things with an incomplete container of information. What's worse, you are letting him do things to you that would likely hurt and upset him without giving him the information he needs to be aware of this...and that's long before you take it to a point of starting to develop resentment for it.

If you feel he genuinely cares for you, it is profoundly unfair to him to continue to keep this in the dark. You are nullifying his ability to take care of you because of your presumption that you alone should have made the decision as to whether you should still suck up the pain. As a sub, it's disrespectful. As a wife, it's duplicitous. And, as a partner, it's hurtful and sabotaging. Tell him. Yesterday. You may just find out (no matter what decision is arrived at) that your husband of years might actually think of you as more than just the living mannequin at the end of his whip.

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RE: I am just not interested - 6/10/2009 9:41:02 PM   
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As the others have said, talk to him. I'm really sorry you're feeling this way and I do hope you find some peace. TALK to him!!!!

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RE: I am just not interested - 6/10/2009 10:53:06 PM   
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In my experience, when it gets to that point there isn't anything left to fix. I had something similar happen, although it was at the opposite end of the spectrum. When I discovered BDSM and D/s, the largely vanilla sex I had with my husband just stopped interesting me. We tried to spice things up, but he always got it so wrong that it was worse than nothing. Having sex with him got to be the most horrible thing I had to put up with in life. I hated it. I hated the thought of him even touching me because I knew where his mind was going to go. I found myself praying that he'd suddenly become impotent, because if I didn't have to have sex with him I wouldn't mind having him around. It got to the point that I hated him for being him and resented him for keeping me from being able to have any sex I actually enjoyed. One day my anger boiled over to the point that I flipped out on him and nearly beat him to death. That was when I told him to leave.
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