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on what foundation do you consider some one is belonged ? - 6/16/2009 5:31:44 AM   
steviemichael


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Status: offline 		on what foundation do you consider someone is  belonged ?

maybe the foundation is a moral one or a spiritual one or neither since we are free to choose on no foundation other than we have no fast or hard rules for ourselves.
When one claims to submit to a person is it also true that they simply submit that person limited understanding  and values and the one may  enjoy the freedom of rights and  in doing so without fear without someone claiming they are in some contract.



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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 5:34:05 AM   
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on what foundation do you consider someone is  belonged ?

maybe the foundation is a moral one or a spiritual one or neither since we are free to choose on no foundation other than we have no fast or hard rules for ourselves.
When one claims to submit to a person is it also true that they simply submit that person limited understanding  and values and the one may  enjoy the freedom of rights and  in doing so without fear without someone claiming they are in some contract.



Ummm

WHAT?


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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 5:35:02 AM   
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on what foundation do you consider someone is belonged ?


I can't say I entirely understand your question - the English you use is open to multiple interpretations. Want to explain a bit better?

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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 5:55:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		You don't get to decide other people's relationships for them. Some use contracts, some don't. Some relationships are love based, others aren't.

All you need to know is how to ask "Are you in a relationship?". If they say yes, then you wish them a good afternoon and move on. If not, then you ask them if they are interested in meeting you for coffee.

It really is that simple.

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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 5:59:53 AM   
oceanwinds


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Status: offline 		If I am understanding your question, you are asking about the foundation of being owned?

I am one of those people who can belong to someone without a collar and/or wedding band. My belonging is more of a spiritual connection. . Those who enter my life in a deep way will always stay in my heart in a devoted way. If someone's core foundation is similair to mine then in my heart i am 'belonged' under their conditions. If they leave be it by any means, my heart is still with them. They are part of my being. I cannot hold on to anything in the physical plane, nor be owned as many in this lifestyle seek. I can though devote myself to a person as they wish me to if they have reached my core being.

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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 6:07:17 AM   
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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 6:10:06 AM   
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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 7:14:42 AM   
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belonged"

to be the property


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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 7:44:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: steviemichael

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belonged"

to be the property



If they consider themselves to be property, then they are property.  It's not your business or my business to argue about it. 

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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 8:01:02 AM   
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to be the property

Like everyone else, I agree there is no right answer here. The concept itself is poorly defined and cannot literally be executed in most modern societies. Someone is property if they and their owner think they are.

However, since you're clearly trying to figure out something, I'll give you my view relevant in my marriage. Carol "belongs" to me and has from the moment we made a lifelong commitment to each other -- in our case that came about in the form of marriage. In a more BDSM-ey way, it could be a committed collaring or god knows what else.

But that did not make Carol my posesssion (and a human posession is what I call a "slave"). That only came along with this whole authority dynamic thing. And for me, the metrics are simple:

a) She thinks she belongs to me as a literal posession in her own head.
b) I think the same thing.
c) That is reinforced by the behavior I'd expect to see of same -- namely 100% obedience.

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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 8:20:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I became *owned* when I said * Would you, please?* and he said * Yes*.  FEELING owned in the way I am now, is a different kettle of fish.

I AM in a *contract* and the freedom of *rights* he has comes FROM that.  We are BOTH in a contract because the entire relationship is based on what we understood and expected of each other THEN, and what we understand and expect of each other NOW.

What we have now is exactly the same and also vastly different.

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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 9:01:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: steviemichael
to be the property

Like everyone else, I agree there is no right answer here. The concept itself is poorly defined and cannot literally be executed in most modern societies. Someone is property if they and their owner think they are.

However, since you're clearly trying to figure out something, I'll give you my view relevant in my marriage. Carol "belongs" to me and has from the moment we made a lifelong commitment to each other -- in our case that came about in the form of marriage. In a more BDSM-ey way, it could be a committed collaring or god knows what else.

But that did not make Carol my posesssion (and a human posession is what I call a "slave"). That only came along with this whole authority dynamic thing. And for me, the metrics are simple:

a) She thinks she belongs to me as a literal posession in her own head.
b) I think the same thing.
c) That is reinforced by the behavior I'd expect to see of same -- namely 100% obedience.


Wow - thank You for stating this so eloquently. i agree completely and think Chairman would as well.


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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 9:11:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I consider an individual to be 'owned' when all parties affected agree that this person is, for all practical intents and purposes, owned. Despite the understanding that it is impossible to legally own another human being, the perspective of the individuals, which shapes their paradigm, provides a more meaningful reflection of the 'reality' of their situation than any group of laws or external protocols can produce.

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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 9:12:23 AM   
Missokyst


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Status: offline 		They belong when they feel they do.  Someone says "you belong to me", and they (sub/slave) in turn, believe it.
I have never been property nor would I choose it.  It is a mindset.
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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 1:45:46 PM   
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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 2:24:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: maia09

quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: steviemichael
to be the property

Like everyone else, I agree there is no right answer here. The concept itself is poorly defined and cannot literally be executed in most modern societies. Someone is property if they and their owner think they are.

However, since you're clearly trying to figure out something, I'll give you my view relevant in my marriage. Carol "belongs" to me and has from the moment we made a lifelong commitment to each other -- in our case that came about in the form of marriage. In a more BDSM-ey way, it could be a committed collaring or god knows what else.

But that did not make Carol my posesssion (and a human posession is what I call a "slave"). That only came along with this whole authority dynamic thing. And for me, the metrics are simple:

a) She thinks she belongs to me as a literal posession in her own head.
b) I think the same thing.
c) That is reinforced by the behavior I'd expect to see of same -- namely 100% obedience.


Wow - thank You for stating this so eloquently. i agree completely and think Chairman would as well.



Yes!!! You hit the nail right on the head there :)

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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 2:26:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I became property when Master said I was his property. Seems pretty simple to me.

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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 7:16:14 PM   
sweetsub1957


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Status: offline 		i am not sure what you mean by "someone is belonged" unless you are asking about whether or not they are owned.

i asked Sir "am i owned?" and He said "Yes, you can say you are owned," so i am.  W/we have no contract.  Then later on when He showed me His collar and asked "Will you wear it?" i went bananas and said "Yessssssss!!!"  The collar is a symbol of O/our commitment to E/each O/other.  Ownership and belonging is whatever that means to the P/people involved i think, with or without a contract.

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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 7:23:49 PM   
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what the hell does "belonged" mean?


I belong.  I be seven inches. 


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RE: on what foundation do you consider some one is bel... - 6/16/2009 11:26:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

what the hell does "belonged" mean?


I belong.  I be seven inches. 



is that aol inches?

*flees, giggling*

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