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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:04:24 PM   
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i would have never guessed this subject would cause such strong emotions....its worse than a sub vs slave, death penalty, fat chick combo.

adding breast feeding to politics and religion in the "do not discuss" pile







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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:06:11 PM   
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On the bright side, the thread never devolved into circumcision.


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i would have never guessed this subject would cause such strong emotions....its worse than a sub vs slave, death penalty, fat chick combo.

adding breast feeding to politics and religion in the "do not discuss" pile








So, is it worse if a baby that is circumsised is being breast fed by a Wiccan Democrat on the full moon?

think I got em all there

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:09:36 PM   
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So, is it worse if a baby that is circumsised is being breast fed by an obese Wiccan Democrat no-limits slave on the full moon?

think I got em all there

Fixed it for ya


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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:09:55 PM   
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So, is it worse if a baby that is circumsised is being breast fed by a fat Wiccan Democrat on the full moon?

think I got em all there


You forgot fat.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:11:01 PM   
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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:12:19 PM   
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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:14:10 PM   
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You forgot fat.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:14:50 PM   
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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:18:28 PM   
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You forgot fat.

I beat you to it, Aileen



That's because you have bigger boobs.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:22:54 PM   
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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:35:58 PM   
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So, is it worse if a baby that is circumsised is being breast fed by an obese Wiccan Democrat no-limits slave on the full moon?

think I got em all there

Fixed it for ya







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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:37:27 PM   
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(The fixing my statement part, not the tits, part.... well then again you do have great tits, so wonderful and...... wait, what was I thinking about again?)

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 7:42:59 PM   
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I for one have no issue with breast feeding. I only flinch at the fact that someone else who is around might. There's nothing wrong with breast feeding but it would be nice if the breast feeder took the feelings of others into consideration. It's not the act of breast feeding but the breast itself being out in the open. People always go crazy when they see 'too much' cleavage. This is just another example. Just like nudists. Nudists have every right to walk around naked but they are conscious of public opinion and sensitivity so the only go nude in certain places (beaches, nudist communities, woods, etc...). It's a courtesy thing. That's all.
Hogwash!! There is a differencebetween breastfeeding and being nude (I am all in favour of repealing all laws resricting public nudity BTW). I speak from experience, all 3 of my UMs were breastfed, so I have seen a whole shitload of breastfeeding going on, in pretty much any circumstance you can imagine (in public, in private, in bars, on buses, in cars, you name it....well not in church because we didn't go to church, but I did see a woman nursing her UM at some dinner function at a Mormon temple that we got invited to for some reason).

You can see a little more skin than a modern bikini shows, except for a very brief period at the begining and the end, so if you see anything that offends, its because you were looking for it. You cannot "accidentaly" see anything, as you will notice the mother preparing to breast feed (opening, or lifting shirt, opening nursing bra, etc.) If you see something its your own da,mned fault.


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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 10:17:13 PM   
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Attacks on my point about the legality of the issue of ejecting someone specifically for breastfeeding is moot... because they're not being ejected because they're breastfeeding. They're being ejected because they're taking part in a behavior causing a disturbance to other patrons, in which case if they do not change that behavior they can be asked to leave

*WITHOUT BEING GIVEN A REASON AS TO WHY THEY ARE NO LONGER PERMITTED ONTO THE PREMISES.*

The important part of the statute is this: "wherein the mother otherwise is permitted."

If they are being denied access to the place specifically because they were being disruptive to other customers... well, it doesn't matter exactly what they were doing to be disruptive. They are not "otherwise permitted" to be there, and have no protection under this law.

It is the same idea of someone with a lewd shirt, or otherwise similar innocuous, but disruptive, behavior. Even if they're within their rights to take part in the behavior, if it is disruptive to other patrons, their being disruptive is the reason they're being ejected.

But reasons and such are beyond the point. The manager/owner need NOT give a reason for why they ask a patron to leave (putting the onus on anyone planning to take him/her to court to prove it was because they were breast feeding, which if no reason was given would be dismissed; granted, an ultimatum "Ma'am, you'll have to take that into a private area or leave our restaurant/store" would likely be a winning lawsuit).


And the pure fact is... I'm not the only person bothered by mothers breastfeeding in public. Without polling everyone currently present at the restaurant the manager will take the complaint of one customer as the complaint of many (not many customers are willing to openly complain about something, even food quality, so when they do, especially when it's not about their food, it's a big thing), and that *will* go into how they handle the situation. At the very least, the complaint of one person is seen as the complaint of the entire party that they're with.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 10:24:18 PM   
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It's not the act of breast feeding but the breast itself being out in the open.


See, it's the opposite for me, go figure. Probably colors my opinion on it quite heavily. The act is what is the problem for me, not necessarily the breast being out in the open (which I've only seen once or twice with girls who... just don't know what the word discreet means).

I'm not really an advocate for public nudity (I *like* wearing clothes, and I like seeing what clothes someone else is wearing and, quite honestly, I don't really wanna see nekkid people unless I'm in the right mindset, prepared mentally, beforehand), but that doesn't really drive why I don't think public breastfeeding is inappropriate. Public breast feeding (usually) doesn't include public nudity.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 10:32:46 PM   
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Attacks on my point about the legality of the issue of ejecting someone specifically for breastfeeding is moot... because they're not being ejected because they're breastfeeding. They're being ejected because they're taking part in a behavior causing a disturbance to other patrons, in which case if they do not change that behavior they can be asked to leave

*WITHOUT BEING GIVEN A REASON AS TO WHY THEY ARE NO LONGER PERMITTED ONTO THE PREMISES.*

The important part of the statute is this: "wherein the mother otherwise is permitted."

If they are being denied access to the place specifically because they were being disruptive to other customers... well, it doesn't matter exactly what they were doing to be disruptive. They are not "otherwise permitted" to be there, and have no protection under this law.

Bullshit. If the woman was not *gasp* breastfeeding, she would not be "disruptive to other customers", and her presence would be "permitted". Why on Earth do you think these laws are on the books in the first place? Do you honestly think if such a woman (having been ejected for breastfeeding, whether given a reason or not) decided to sue, the restaurant owner/ manager could get on the stand in court and say, "She was being disruptive to other customers, and I don't have to say how she was being disruptive" and get away with it? Uh, yeah. Go with that, Sparky.


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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 10:39:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly where does it say that a manager/owner has to give *any* reason for not permitting someone into their establishment?

THAT is my point.

They don't even have to say "she was being disruptive' in court. They just have to say 'she was no longer permitted in my establishment' and they're entirely covered.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 10:48:04 PM   
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Exactly where does it say that a manager/owner has to give *any* reason for not permitting someone into their establishment?

THAT is my point.

They don't even have to say "she was being disruptive' in court. They just have to say 'she was no longer permitted in my establishment' and they're entirely covered.

EDIT their =/- they're XD



Ok, if this was the case then there wouldnt be any cases where the mother in question won, right?

http://www.ncsl.org/IssuesResearch/Health/BreastfeedingLaws/tabid/14389/Default.aspx

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/997/context/archive

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/NEWS/ARTICLE.ASP?ARTICLE_ID=59491

Here is a nice quote from the second link:
The relevant statute says, "The breastfeeding of a baby is an important and basic act of nurture which must be encouraged in the interests of maternal and child health and family values. A mother may breastfeed her baby in any location, public or private, where the mother is otherwise authorized to be, irrespective of whether or not the nipple of the mother's breast is covered during or incidental to the breastfeeding."

If you are going to try to debate a legal matter be sure to do your research, cause there is always gonna be some asshole like me willing to check your work.



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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 10:57:50 PM   
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They just have to say 'she was no longer permitted in my establishment' and their entirely covered.

Honestly aravain, what planet do you live on? I'll do this slowly. The law specifically permits women to breastfeed in public and prohibits nursing women from being ejected from public places (of which restaurants are one) for doing so. In a court case, be it civil or criminal, the owner/ manager is accused of breaking that law. The court will ask WHY the woman was ejected to determine if the law was broken... and you think "she was no longer permitted in my establishment" is gonna fly???
Sorry, it doesn't work that way.


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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 11:00:43 PM   
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The first link shows that MY state's statute (the one that I'm talking about) includes that line that I mentioned above.

Your second link is quite old, as referenced by this quote:

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For example, in Derungs v. Wal-Mart Stores Inc., a district court in Ohio held that discrimination against breastfeeding women is not sex discrimination in violation of Ohio's public accommodation laws. Ohio currently has no law protecting a woman's right to breastfeed in public and, so while a woman still has the right to do so, it is not illegal for someone to harass her for doing so.


Since Ohio does prtect the right to breastfeed in public now (a statute mentioned in your first link). The article is from 2002.

The third link doesn't mention Ohio at all, or in any way impact Ohio's statute or its wording.



The issue isn't really important anyway. That something is suggestive is not proof... so if a manager asks a woman who is breastfeeding to please take it somewhere private and she refuses, and then he asks her to leave the premises (NOT citing any reason why), and if asked only says that she is no longer permitted on the premises, there's no case with this statute.

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