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Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 9:25:48 AM   
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I just overheard some talking head on TV raise this question and it seemed interesting...

I must confess, the idea definitely has some appeal for me. I'm not at all opposed to romance, but I've never liked the idea of mandatory romance. Ever try to make reservations at a romantic restaurant on Valentine's Day?

If you were Evil/Benificent Ruler of The World, what would you do about Valentine's Day?

I think at the very least I'd move it to some other time of year. I've always felt it was too close to Christmas. I'm much more of the attitude that it's better to carry some of Valentine's in your relationship all the time, and it's better to just surprise your partner out of the blue with a romantic gesture instead of telegraphing the damn thing in advance on some kind of national day. That way you're not dealing with the hordes of other forced-romantics clogging the restaurants and all of that...

Ok. I'm off. I need to look for some Valentine's Day gifts.

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 10:05:17 AM   
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Except there is no such things as mandatory romance. Lots of romantic couples do not celebrate VDay or make fun of it.

It is true that VDay is rough on those not in a romantic pleasant state- but that's just how life is.

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 10:12:08 AM   
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I'm not a big Valentines Day person, but it makes some people happy so I see nothing wrong with it.. but if I was an evil ruler (muahh haha *evil laugh) I would kink up the day!

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 10:16:56 AM   
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I'm not big on VD either. Actually I hate the vast commercialization of things, including VD. But I will admit to buying my version of *crack* (conversation hearts). Romantic gestures are best when they aren't forced. Even better when they are a surprise.

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 10:42:14 AM   
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Not that big on it here either ...

I like romance punctuated through the year.

But abolish Valentine's day?

lol, good f-ing luck!

Greeting card companies, candy makers, and resturantuers would have a fit!

lol, plus, we NEED a winter holiday smack in the middle of Feb.

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 11:33:49 AM   
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Yes, it is commerialism at it's best...no doubt. However, so is christmas and Easter and every other holiday that enhances the economy...true?
Personally, V-Day is better than the other ones...it's only to tell the one you love...I love you.....So, I.M. I love you Happy V-Day and many more to come!

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 12:41:04 PM   
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quote:

I must confess, the idea definitely has some appeal for me. I'm not at all opposed to romance, but I've never liked the idea of mandatory romance. Ever try to make reservations at a romantic restaurant on Valentine's Day?
I wouldn't care either way now if Valentine's day were to be abolished. I did care when I was vanilla, and when not with the right guy, would hope that day would be the hint that "he should do something special." At this point I realize that if I'm not feeling romantic with him, and not getting romance from him we are probably incompatible, and no number of forced romance days will help. If he is romantic and the right partner for me, I would never bitch or need him to send me somthing special because it is february 14.

Have to tell you though Pollux that a great number of men need Valentine's day to remind them to take care of/be sensitive to their women/lovers' wants/needs.. M

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 12:57:02 PM   
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quote:

I think at the very least I'd move it to some other time of year.


Valentine died on Feb 14th, so to move it would sort of defeat the whole idea. Research the feast of Lupercalia if you want further insight into history behind the holiday. Maybe you'll change your mind about it being abolished.

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 1:51:24 PM   
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Valentines Day is northing more than a construct of the retail sector. It is revered highly by stock holders nationwide second only to Christmas.

It is a completely useless holiday, whose sole intention is to get you to spend money to supposedly "demonstrate your love".

Well, I have news for them. I do not need them ramming Hallmark cards down My throat for Me to show My love. I love My girlfriend no matter what, and you show her by how you treat her 365 days a year, not what you throw at her on the 14th. I could live without red everything, stupid, tacky sayings on greetings cards and overpriced roses. I think I will create My own romance for her this year. Soft music, candles, dancing in the livingroom... Incense and a steamy shower... Mmmm.

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 2:50:14 PM   
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It's just around the corner......


Sweetest Day, October 21st!

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 8:11:01 PM   
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I believe in Valentine's Day. To me it's a day to remind the people who aren't fortunate to have a significant other that there is hope of finding that one special person. When you look around and see couples together, loving each other and appreciating each other, whether commercialized or not, it has always given me hope. I now have found my soul mate and I would have given up on love a long time ago if it had not been for Valentine's Day. My dad always gave me something on that day and told me that one day I would find a greater love than his who would take over and care for, love, and appreciate me on a different level than he does. My dad is a very wise man and I love and appreciate him for the hope that he gave me every Valentine's Day. I hope that one day everyone who reads this, if they haven't already, find their soul mate. HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY!!

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 8:47:27 PM   
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The History of Saint Valentine's Day

Valentine's Day started in the time of the Roman Empire. In ancient Rome, February 14th was a holiday to honour Juno. Juno was the Queen of the Roman Gods and Goddesses. The Romans also knew her as the Goddess of women and marriage. The following day, February 15th, began the Feast of Lupercalia.

The lives of young boys and girls were strictly separate. However, one of the customs of the young people was name drawing. On the eve of the festival of Lupercalia the names of Roman girls were written on slips of paper and placed into jars. Each young man would draw a girl's name from the jar and would then be partners for the duration of the festival with the girl whom he chose. Sometimes the pairing of the children lasted an entire year, and often, they would fall in love and would later marry.

Under the rule of Emperor Claudius II Rome was involved in many bloody and unpopular campaigns. Claudius the Cruel was having a difficult time getting soldiers to join his military leagues. He believed that the reason was that roman men did not want to leave their loves or families. As a result, Claudius cancelled all marriages and engagements in Rome. The good Saint Valentine was a priest at Rome in the days of Claudius II. He and Saint Marius aided the Christian martyrs and secretly married couples, and for this kind deed Saint Valentine was apprehended and dragged before the Prefect of Rome, who condemned him to be beaten to death with clubs and to have his head cut off. He suffered martyrdom on the 14th day of February, about the year 270. At that time it was the custom in Rome, a very ancient custom, indeed, to celebrate in the month of February the Lupercalia, feasts in honour of a heathen god. On these occasions, amidst a variety of pagan ceremonies, the names of young women were placed in a box, from which they were drawn by the men as chance directed.

The pastors of the early Christian Church in Rome endeavoured to do away with the pagan element in these feasts by substituting the names of saints for those of maidens. And as the Lupercalia began about the middle of February, the pastors appear to have chosen Saint Valentine's Day for the celebration of this new feaSt. So it seems that the custom of young men choosing maidens for valentines, or saints as patrons for the coming year, arose in this way.

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 8:55:34 PM   
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personally, i think, if we're gonna abolish any holidays it should be President's Day...i mean, what in the world does one do on President's Day?

buy flowers? send out greeting cards? buy gifts? throw a party?

FOR WHO???

how many families have a President living with them?

get real...LOL

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 9:01:58 PM   
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I agree. All we have ever had was men for President anyway. What is so special about a man President? Look at what they have turned our country into.

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 9:03:19 PM   
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im with you, pollux, I like the concept of valentines day but think romance should happen more organically. Going out to dinner? WHAT is romantic about eating in a crowded room of strangers? A lot of men set themselves up for failure by caring too little and a lot of women set themselves up for disappointment by expecting too much. But should the whole holiday be abolished? No way!

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/12/2006 11:37:53 PM   
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I'm very big on Valentines day, but with my own unique perspective. Do something unique and benevolent. Don't just throw money to Hallmark, FTD and certainly do NOT support the blood diamond industry. Do something special and personal and give the money you normally would have spent to a charity or an animal rescue or some worthy cause. Valentines Day should be about the heart, love and affection, not $$$. :)

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/13/2006 12:21:34 AM   
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i'm a firm believer that charity starts at home...besides, i don't trust charities because how am i to know if any of it is actually going to the people that really need it or just going into the pockets of those that run the charities...a nice tax shelter at best.

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/13/2006 12:35:04 AM   
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The last few years the male sector has been trying to create a male equivalent to V-day. It happens in March and is called Steak & BJ Day..


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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/13/2006 1:06:08 AM   
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Almost good enough. It should be "Steak & BJ & PEACE AND QUIET AFTERWARDS Day."

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RE: Should Valentine's Day be abolished? - 2/13/2006 2:44:04 AM   
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The Catholic Church no longer officially honors St. Valentine, but the holiday has both Roman and Catholic roots.

The Origins of St. Valentine's Day

A quick quiz: St. Valentine was:

a) a priest in the Roman Empire who helped persecuted Christians during the reign of Claudius II, was thrown in jail and later beheaded on Feb. 14.

b) a Catholic bishop of Terni who was beheaded, also during the reign of Claudius II.

c) someone who secretly married couples when marriage was forbidden, or suffered in Africa, or wrote letters to his jailer's daughter, and was probably beheaded.

d) all, some, or possibly none of the above.

If you guessed d), give yourself a box of chocolates. Although the mid-February holiday celebrating love and lovers remains wildly popular, the confusion over its origins led the Catholic Church, in 1969, to drop St. Valentine's Day from the Roman calendar of official, worldwide Catholic feasts. (Those highly sought-after days are reserved for saints with more clear historical record. After all, the saints are real individuals for us to imitate.) Some parishes, however, observe the feast of St. Valentine.

The roots of St. Valentine's Day lie in the ancient Roman festival of Lupercalia, which was celebrated on Feb. 15. For 800 years the Romans had dedicated this day to the god Lupercus. On Lupercalia, a young man would draw the name of a young woman in a lottery and would then keep the woman as a sexual companion for the year.

Pope Gelasius I was, understandably, less than thrilled with this custom. So he changed the lottery to have both young men and women draw the names of saints whom they would then emulate for the year (a change that no doubt disappointed a few young men). Instead of Lupercus, the patron of the feast became Valentine. For Roman men, the day continued to be an occasion to seek the affections of women, and it became a tradition to give out handwritten messages of admiration that included Valentine's name.

There was also a conventional belief in Europe during the Middle Ages that birds chose their partners in the middle of February. Thus the day was dedicated to love, and people observed it by writing love letters and sending small gifts to their beloved. Legend has it that Charles, duke of Orleans, sent the first real Valentine card to his wife in 1415, when he was imprisoned in the Tower of London. (He, however, was not beheaded, and died a half-century later of old age.)

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