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RE: N/needs - 6/18/2009 2:07:41 AM   
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so...I don't need you. I already knew that.

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RE: N/needs - 6/18/2009 2:45:03 AM   
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I think the OP should do his original post again.  As a freeform jazz piece.

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RE: N/needs - 6/18/2009 2:49:29 AM   
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I am sitting on the ...wow...just.... wow.... bench too.

Jesus lasted for ages in the desert without even food water or shelter and the whole point indeed was to resist temptation...even Jesus had to come out of the desert eventually though...(and he most likely had something going with Mary Magdalyn too)

Lockit has a very good point indeed that there is a need to poo too...but maybe that is more a simple result of eating food...rather than a real need...i mean you need ogygen too but breathing just happens....It is like really old people that are kept alive...they put machines on them to feed them and to give them oxigen even and nurses clean up abit around them, watch for bed sores and such...and the people just live on...it happened to one of my elders...she lived on for years and years like this...it had not much to do with Dominance and control on her part tho...actually more the opposite...decisions were made for her...human kind like and her body just lived on.

quote: Unless you are providing that person with food, water, clothing and shelter from the weather, you are not satisfying any needs at all. You are only looking for somebody to partake in the enjoyment of your own convoluted preferences to quench your own desires. 

The dominant satisfies the submissive's preferences because of a desire to be with that person, a desire that is psychological

 
I totally agree with that bit

quote: When a man gains control over his own preferences, the pussy loses all it's power.

That sentence is wrong... that should be:
When a person gains control over his or her own needs, the genitals lose all power
( i mean what if the man is gay...or the self controlled Dominant is a hetro woman...)
But still i doubt that the statement is true

Of course there are celibate people maybe they really have no sexdrive (i can hardly believe that) or maybe they have learned to surpress it....even take pleasure in surpressing it, like anarexic people do with denying themselves food. A lot of them cheat tho...secret tunnels have been found between nun houses and abbeys...and then there is the reputation of celibate priests and altar boys...

And would a person not even masturbate then? and if they touch themselves do they not want for dirrrty things?
I hope my pussy will never lose her power...that she'll always be able to get at least myself to play with her and hopefully my partner too.
...where is the fun in not playing any games anymore?

Who are these people so intent on killing their own sexdrive?

The writing does confirm my disinterest in the:
Sub needs
Dom needs
Dom wants
Sub wants
list...i think that list is rather crap...we are all init for our own desires as far as i am concerned...

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RE: N/needs - 6/18/2009 6:28:43 AM   
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Smiles at OP and asks do you have a Mom? You needed a mom as well as a dad to get here.

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RE: N/needs - 6/18/2009 8:58:39 AM   
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quote:

When a man gains control over his own preferences, the pussy loses all it's power.


Hmmmm - i ain't never met one of them. But keep on trying - maybe you'll succeed in finding yourself playing with your own cock, growing your own food, even creating your own air cause we all need each other and i don't mind it a bit. i NEEEEEEEED my Master.


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RE: N/needs - 6/18/2009 10:05:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja
quote:

When a man gains control over his own preferences, the pussy loses all it's power.


...That sentence is wrong... that should be:
When a person gains control over his or her own needs, the genitals lose all power ...

I agree with you ranja, but not for the reasons you cite (tho those are pertinent), but rather because there is a certain irony in a big rant that ends up focusing on pussy (rather than the more neutral "genitals") concluding that the pussy has no power...

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RE: N/needs - 6/18/2009 11:26:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeptha

quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja
quote:

When a man gains control over his own preferences, the pussy loses all it's power.


...That sentence is wrong... that should be:
When a person gains control over his or her own needs, the genitals lose all power ...

I agree with you ranja, but not for the reasons you cite (tho those are pertinent), but rather because there is a certain irony in a big rant that ends up focusing on pussy (rather than the more neutral "genitals") concluding that the pussy has no power...


Agreed, but this sort of thing isn't really shocking. Since the beginning of the human race people have been trying to control others based on their genitals. The only thing that's actually disturbing is a grown man complaining about a vagina having power over him and how he will fight that. Thank god I don't base my sense of self on a dick! How pathetic would I be?

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RE: N/needs - 6/18/2009 12:41:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

If you don't pet puppies, they die.  If you talk to plants, they grow healthier than if you ignore them.

These are scientific facts, not New Age guruisms.

Your understanding of the needs of living beings is incorrect.  Attention and affection are physical needs.  That's not an arguable point.  So your argument founders at sentence number one.

Beyond that, being in a loving relationship extends the life of a human.  Stress shortens the life of a human.  What purpose does your "It's all preferences" soapbox serve, except maybe to make a few people feel guilty about wanting intimacy and love?


i agree. If it were as simple as air, water, shelter and clothing then we would not have families, or tribes, or culture, or romance, or art, or God.


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RE: N/needs - 6/18/2009 12:54:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alphascendant

Other than food, water, clothing, and shelter from the weather, a person has no other needs. Anything past those objects are purely psychological preferences. If a person let's themself be controlled by those preferences, they are not in control of their own self.



There seems to be a disconnect here: no innate needs = no self. How do you explain the contradiction?

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RE: N/needs - 6/18/2009 2:14:12 PM   
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I already got modspanked for reply to this guy on another post. And, when it comes to mods, I DO NOT have a spanking fetish!

But, I do have to ask - OP, What IS that spread all over you?

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RE: N/needs - 6/18/2009 2:27:18 PM   
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I don't agree with you about the only needs being food, water, clothing and shelter.
I have other needs, not preferences. See the article in the link below for additional needs that people have according to a respected psychologist detailed. If you have ever taken any general psychology course in high school or college, you would have likely seen it before.


http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/intranet/committees/FacDevCom/guidebk/teachtip/maslow.htm

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RE: N/needs - 6/18/2009 2:43:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alphascendant

  Other than food, water, clothing, and shelter from the weather, a person has no other needs. Anything past those objects are purely psychological preferences. If a person let's themself be controlled by those preferences, they are not in control of their own self. For the submissives that are looking to satisfy a dominant's needs, that's rubbish. Unless you are providing that person with food, water, clothing and shelter from the weather, you are not satisfying any needs at all. You are only looking for somebody to partake in the enjoyment of your own convoluted preferences to quench your own desires.

The dominant satisfies the submissive's preferences because of a desire to be with that person, a desire that is psychological. The more dominant and disciplined a person becomes, the less that person gives in to those desired preferences, eventually rendering the submissive useless. The balance between dominance and submission? If the dominant desires nothing, the submissive would have to desire everything in order to balance. In reality, that doesn't seem possible, as the person that desires everything generally has no use for the person that desires nothing, from whom there is nothing to gain. When a man gains control over his own preferences, the pussy loses all it's power.


OK OP .... I'll bite ...(not that I *need* to you understand but because I want to)

So you're living in your happy world where you dont need anything other than food, water, shelter and ... clothes? .... (interesting choice by the way ... I'm naked fairly often and I haven't died from it yet)

What do you do next? ... I mean you're fed and clothed and sheltered ... and all pussy is powerless cos all you've got are your clothes and food and water (curious as to what you keep you water in to stop it running out of the shelter btw) and you have now no need of a submissive ... so you're also presumably alone in your shelter ... I mean you don't need your submissive because she's only there to satisfy her imagined needs (because obviously she wont have any real needs other than the food, clothes and shelter already there for you) ... though she may be handy to hold the water for when your not using it - so in a way you kinda might need her there otherwise you have to hold the water which would be silly really because you'll be busy being totally mastered of your own needs and self sufficient and all so it would be a drag to have to need something to keep your water in because then you would be needing something which would be giving into those pesky psychological whatevers. (oh but hang-on then she might be providing water ... so actually she might be needed ... shhhhhh lets pretend I didn't notice that)

At that stage .... the moment of sublime self sufficiency .... wouldn't it be handy to have a submissive around to ... errr.... tell about your awesomeness?... you obvoiously needed to communicate this to us ...(because I guess you don't give in to nasty little things like wants and desires) ... so am wondering where self agrandisement falls within those basic twue human needs?

See ... me ... I live in a world of want and desire ... and petty little psychological preferences like happiness, love, intimacy, care, mutual gratification .... so I need enlightening

please help? .... is that allowed?




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RE: N/needs - 6/22/2009 5:35:55 AM   
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The result of my being was not because of what I needed, but of my parents' preferences. If love was a requirement to sustain a physical life, the world would not be as screwed up as it is.  We learn to love because it allows interacting with certain nouns and verbs more tolerable. Avoid those situations and love is unneccessary. It's easy to love something when it's existence in our thought patterns sustains our psychological preferences.  

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RE: N/needs - 6/22/2009 7:55:16 AM   
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Of course there are celibate people maybe they really have no sexdrive (i can hardly believe that) or maybe they have learned to surpress it....even take pleasure in surpressing it, like anarexic people do with denying themselves food. 
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ranja, i'm going to disagree gently with this statement.  yes, it is possible to have no sex drive.  ask any woman who's going through menopause, libido is quite tricky, and will slip away on vacation with no notice at all.

i went from a "needs it every single day, dammit!" to not even really missing it.  TheEngineer is understanding, and he understands that i *have* been saying yes to him with no real want/desire/orgasm for some time now.  i'm hoping the libido comes back, but even if it doesnt, i'll have intimate moments with him, because it makes him happy.

kitten, putting out a warrant for the return of the libido....

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RE: N/needs - 6/22/2009 12:21:11 PM   
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Wow.. what a gem...  How's that working for you op?

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RE: N/needs - 6/22/2009 1:39:45 PM   
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We learn to love because it allows interacting with certain nouns and verbs more tolerable. Avoid those situations and love is unneccessary.


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RE: N/needs - 6/22/2009 7:27:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alphascendant

We learn to love because it allows interacting with certain nouns and verbs more tolerable. Avoid those situations and love is unneccessary.



Spoken like a true sociopath.

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RE: N/needs - 6/22/2009 10:41:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alphascendant

When a man gains control over his own preferences, the pussy loses all it's power. 



Methinks thou doth protest too much.
Being so hung up on eliminating pussy's power would indicate that your life revolves right around that glorious pussy you do so detest.
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RE: N/needs - 6/23/2009 12:05:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: oceanwinds

Smiles at OP and asks do you have a Mom? You needed a mom as well as a dad to get here.


Yes, i thought about that too. 

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RE: N/needs - 6/23/2009 5:29:02 AM   
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Pixidustpet: Oh this sounds awful...i much hope this won't happen to me and will change soon for you...
good luck

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